I don't know wich version you guys are playing it, but saying that TC2 overal has the better graphics is laughable. Its not even close, the TC2 has some nice reflections, weather and water but thats it. Even those are not that much better than in Forza. The lighting, shaders, textures, car models, world detail, shadows and the other overall effect are soo much better in Forza that it makes TC2 look almost last gen, and thats from someone who has played them both on a high en pc. Last 3 day some of you guys try to downplay FH4 graphics while its the best looking racer right now. You guys need to post some screen of your game because the games i played didn't come close to FH4. 1000X this, if the map was even the half of TC2 it would be soo much better, and have longer legs. But then it would look like copy and past over and over again like TC2. They just need more time to make a bigger map this detailed. hopefully next gen they can take there time and give us atleast 2X the map whe have currently.