The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

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Mr Latte
I think its a valid point that indeed they understand the price point is a factor, not everyone would use a shifter or want it. Also people just wanting or needing a shifter on its own don't have to buy a complete package.

Lets not forget that the wheel so Im assuming the shifter also is a Licensced PS3 product and is then due/expected to get support from developers? Im just raising these points as discussion and possibiities.

With all the moaning of prices I don't dare think what people would of been saying had this included a shifter but at an additional 150 quid/dollars etc. Additionally if only sold in a package say like G27 it would greatly of effected sales because of its price and my point that many wont miss a shifter as don't use them anyways however if only as a package would indeed put them off.

To me these are all possibly reasons why the T500 doesn't include a shifter as standard.
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I have to say I agree with you here Mr Latte on all your points made. All in all it seems to be a great time to be a sim racing enthusiast...
 
I want to see more. Hopefully ISR do some preview vids or something or others can get some reviews out soon.

I agree with that this is great for drifters. People keep saying Fanatec which is a great package that I own but drifting and lock to lock speed is only thing that the G25/G27 has over the Fanatec. This looks to be a more serious wheel for that type of driving.
 
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chromatic9
I want to see more. Hopefully ISR do some preview vids or something or others can get some reviews out soon.

I agree with that this is great for drifters. People keep saying Fanatec which is a great package that I own but drifting and lock to lock speed is only thing that the G25/G27 has over the Fanatec. This looks to be a more serious wheel for that type of driving.
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ISR will do a full review of the T500RS next month.
 
Mr Latte
With all the moaning of prices I don't dare think what people would of been saying had this included a shifter but at an additional 150 quid/dollars etc.
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This does kind of bring up the fact you are paying for a clutch that's useless without the shifter... so on one side, they don't force you to buy a shifter (in case you don't want it), but they do force you to buy a clutch that is useless whether you want it or not (completely useless until the shifter comes out).
 
Booey
So much talk of the shifter now... I'm worried it won't be good. The G25 shifter is unusable in my opinion, and I haven't really seen any in-depth reviews of Fanatec's shifter package.

I am doubtful just because I think that it will be hard to create an affordable shifter addon that feels good regardless of which company is making it.

Has there been any technical info released on the shifter yet?
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Have you tried the G27 shifter? It's pretty nice, a big upgrade from the G25 version. I've also heard the Fanatec standard shifter works well, it's just LOUD and lacks decent mounting options.
 
Devedander
This does kind of bring up the fact you are paying for a clutch that's useless without the shifter... so on one side, they don't force you to buy a shifter (in case you don't want it), but they do force you to buy a clutch that is useless whether you want it or not (completely useless until the shifter comes out).
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Why's it useless without a shifter Dave?
Gilles already said on Facebook that developers can decide to implement the clutch to also work with paddle shifters.

I think your forgetting you also need the clutch pedal to swap with throttle when you invert the pedals and push the mode button on the wheel.
 
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Gotta say, the statement that this wheel feels like a Frex or ECC has me quite interested. The price is high but still only a fraction of what those wheels would cost. Anxiously awaiting reviews.
 
I'm kinda surprised I haven't seen anyone inquire about this yet, but I feel it to be a relavent factor about the quality/durability of this wheel, as well as the company's confidence in it.

What kind of warranty will Thrustmaster be offering with this unit?? Will it be a short, limited warranty (which for me would inspire a lot of confidence this set will last as long as one would expect at this price point), or a full, long one?

Perhaps someone with a BookFace account could ask on the Thrustmaster page?

I'll be getting one from Fry's when ever they end up getting them, but will definitely be purchasing an extended service plan, if offered. Even though I do plan on doing the RC45 thing and returning it if/when it doesn't live up to my expectations of what $648+ should deliver.
 
I read somewhere it has a 2 year warranty. I found it, it was stated on the facebook page that it is 2 years, no information about the type of warranty though.
 
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Warrenties are usually governed by a countries legislation and trading laws.
My guess is like most brands/products they will offer the acceptable requirement.
 
Mr Latte
Warrenties are usually governed by a countries legislation and trading laws.
My guess is like most brands/products they will offer the acceptable requirement.
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Sorry, but not in this case, because the g27 on the same webshop has 2 year carry-in warranty!!!
 
MudRunner
I'll go on record. I plan to get one, as soon as the street price for the wheel and shifter drops to $300. For the time being, I'll continue to use my G27 and hope PD adds support for it.
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I'll go on record also I will get on in March after a I've seen some real wear and tear I have all of February to watch people on you tube break it in and I know in March it will still be $600
 
nerv2112
Let hope others wont sit on it for a month before making a review. Are they waiting to see what others say first or what? I don't get it.
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Why the big rush?
you will get your first impressions. ISR already put out some first impressions of the Thrustmaster. If you want an in-depth review then you will have to wait. If that is an issue for you then I recommend not worrying about the time some people take to review an item.
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ISR already said this is the best wheel they used with GT5 and that the wheel has a custom steering wheel quality to it, how's that for a bolbshell? Could they be right? 500 Euros is not so expensive is THIS wheel has a 1000 Euro wheel feel to it.
 
HF_NOS
Sorry, but not in this case, because the g27 on the same webshop has 2 year carry-in warranty!!!
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Hi,

This is the type off service that they give you. In europe there are regulations that the factory have to give you a 2 full year waranty.... period.
I know this beacuse i just ordeded one at their webshop:cheers:

Bryan
 
BKViper
And I already laughed at missing the paddles because they don't move. What a poor design! How could they not think about shifting while turning?! :lol:
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Fixed paddles is actually the way most cars are designed. In street cars (and street-based cars), where you have on the order of 2.5-3.2 turns lock-to-lock, if the paddles turn with the wheel you <i>will</i> get crossed-up at some point and hit an up-shift instead of a down-shift or vice-versa. So, the paddles are in fixed position; you have to remove your hands from the wheel anyway to turn past ~180 degrees from center, so it is not an issue to have the paddles in a fixed position.

In F1 cars the paddles turn with the wheel because you <i>never</i> remove your hands from the wheel. These have maybe 1 turn lock-to-lock (probably less); you never have to re-position your hands, so you don't get crossed up when the shift paddles turn with the wheel.

Going with fixed paddles is more realistic in most situations, you would only want rotating paddles if you exclusively use your wheel in the high-ratio (reduced turns lock-to-lock) mode.
 
Devedander
I don't know where you live, but in the US Amazon has finally put back the $299 price on the G27 and once stock hits again (which should be around Feb at the latest) I think we will start to see G27 prices fall back to where they were (usually around $220 in any given 6 month period).

DFGT usually goes for $100 around me.
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DFGT was $100 on Amazon... around the time GT5 came out. Then it jumped up to $129 a week or two before Christmas. Yesterday they were asking $159(!) for it. Today it is back down to only $145. Only.

Yeah, I think this is a bad time to be looking at buying a wheel of any kind. I'll stick with my DS3 until the current surge in demand tails off and prices come back down to a more reasonable level for all these wheels.
 
MowTin
It may be the best wheel for GT5.

Why doesn't PD just do a better job supporting existing wheels.
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Because they dont get paid if you buy a Fanatec or even the other (not the DFGT) Logitec wheels like the G25 and G27. They probably have some kind of deal now with Thrustmaster where they get some of the profit since it has the GT logo on it.
 
BKViper
The guy says at the beginning of the video that he won't have a review for a month?
WTF? Don't even bother then.
Every other site will have a review out in the next week or two.
A month to do a review. :rolleyes: This is the game industry, not a book club!

And I already laughed at missing the paddles because they don't move. What a poor design! How could they not think about shifting while turning?! :lol:

So, you can't shift and turn, there is no H shifter, a clutch that does nothing, and it only works properly with one game on one system. Oh yeah, and it's $600!
You got to be kidding me!
I'll stick with my G25 thank you very much.
If you want to spend gobs of money, buy something worth it, like a Frex setup.
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-they only do a full review after a month just cause they want to test is properly

-How do you think a Ferrari 458 Italia got it's shifter paddles placed and lot's of other performance cars? I suppose that the engineers of one of the greatest car manufacturers in history would have thought about the fact that most roads and circuits got turns.
 
I'll be a little off-topic again, but hey guys, have you thought about the fact ISR got the wheel before it was released? They even said it's one of the few pieces in the US. That should mean it was sent to them straight from Thrustmaster and if you better think about it, why would they send them the wheel? I know all the serious companies do this but I'm sure there was something more behind this so that the wheel would get a good first review. I can't imagine such serious website like ISR rating a wheel as the best for GT5 while using it only for 1 day or so. Also, it doesn't even have an H-shifter and the clutch couldn't have been tested yet. Just an opinion.
 
Just to clear up this issue lads...

WARRANTY INFORMATION
Worldwide, Guillemot Corporation S.A. (“Guillemot”) warrants to the consumer that this Thrustmaster product will be
free from material defects and manufacturing flaws for a period of two (2) years from the original date of purchase.

January 21st , 2002 -
Thrustmaster announces its new warranty policy for all new products. Starting
January 1st 2002, the Thrustmaster warranty on all PC and console accessories
will now cover a 2-year period.

New Info

Darin from ISR reported some games not having FFB working in their video and a few other bits.
They havnt said a word in their own thread since on anything about the wheel or replied to any questions.
Cant understand why when you have the hottest hardware and such an exclusive you dont use it to help grow your community?
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So here are some new things:

Wheel Features:
T500 has 2x modes for PS3

1) Force Feedback Mode
2) Emulation Mode

GT5 will use (FFB Mode) and will rely on the games options via what they call (Software Development Kit). Kaz experience from the Nur 24Hr has been part of their focus on wheel torque and precision.

For games that the wheel does not detect the SDK it will go into emulation mode.

This mode emulates the PS3 controller and will require changing options in the controller option screens.
Clutch pedal is not supported and wheel is limited to 270 degrees.
Their will be 2x Sensitivity modes to overcome a controllers deadzone in emulation mode.
Also an "Auto Return To Centre Function" that allows the user to increase or decrease its strength.

These modes are operated with combined button presses detailed in the manual.

Pedal Features
2x tilt positions for each pedal changing the angle.
Each pedal has 3x possible travel positions effecting the pedal resistance.
Long 10Kg / Medium 8.5Kg / Short 7Kg fitting positions.

The "Realistic Brake" adapter allows two settings by reversing it around. Strong and Stronger offering approx 14Kg and 16Kg of resistance but as Darin said and the instructions state this can only be used in the Long position. However that as can be seen offers an additional 4Kg or 6Kg of resistance.

Upcoming Shifter
It will be upto developers to decide to support the PS3 Gearstick as a seperate device or via the wheels VI PID. So we as a community should use our voices to encourage game developers to utilise this feature in upcoming games.


Additional Info
T500 will allow Pedals/Wheel/Gearknobs to be interchanged with official motorsport products however not all of course.

The future is open for a Special or Ltd edition model if they so desire.
(Not saying what/who but respected motorsport brand edition could be on the cards, possibly :sly:)
 
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Tempting... I will get an X360 for Forza but this wheel is awesome :drool: I like how things will be interchangeable as I am driving my GT5 Ferrari and what makes me sick is the fact that I am driving a lovely Ferrari and look down to an ugly Porsche wheel.

I hope Thrustmaster sell each piece individually (and come up with a handbrake). Then come up with a Forza wheel (That i can buy on its own for a modest £200). Then... T-t-thrustmaster will be the masters again.

C'mon, I'd rather drive race wheels... or this wheel (with good specs)
[Thrustmaster Enzo wheel]
...than a Porsche wheel
 
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Hi

first excuse my poor english.
i had got my T500RS yesterday and think it would be interesting to show you that i have no problem to fix it on my pleayseat first generation.
(because i was worried about that)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/57928602@N06/5327543141/

the wheel fit perfectly with two 6mm screws + the clamp of the wheel.
no modification and it don't move.:)
i have fixed the pedals with two 6mm screws too and a very litlle mod.
much easyer than expected.
 
Julienm
Hi

first excuse my poor english.
i had got my T500RS yesterday and think it would be interesting to show you that i have no problem to fix it on my pleayseat first generation.
(because i was worried about that)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/57928602@N06/5327543141/

the wheel fit perfectly with two 6mm screws + the clamp of the wheel.
no modification and it don't move.:)
i have fixed the pedals with two 6mm screws too and a very litlle mod.
much easyer than expected.
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You have got to post more pictures, man! We have so many questions... Do the 1080 degrees of rotation work with GT5? Have you tried the pedals in the reverse position? Seems like your playseat could acommodate that as well!
 
Nice!
Could you tell use more about the wheel?
Could you upload the instruction manual online?
Have you used other wheels on GT5 before this one?
 
That is not a 1st generation PlaySeat. The first gen had the steering column in front of the pedals. It was very unstable and rickety.

Anyway, have you tried adjusting the pedals to the short distance?
 

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