The topic of loyalty?

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I love GT5 and still play it more than any other game, but having said that loyalty to a game doesnt make sense to me, if the worlds greatest race sim came out tommorow with all the cars / tracks etc that you want with near as can be perfect physics etc. etc. everyone would jump ship.
 
another_jakhole
WHOA, I didn't mean it to sound like that. I didn't group you in either one and wasn't talking about you at any time.




haha that came out wrong. They're in the majority on this site. If you think not, then... I don't know.

"apologist, DEFENDIST! (lol). We're not the only ones responsible."

In a way, that's what will be replied.
It always happens that people take things literally. Spelling everything out is mandatory.



Same here.
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Alright, my misunderstanding then. Sorry.

@CJ: Your last statement is so true. We'll see how many "loyalist" there are then, lol.
 
GTP_CargoRat
Alright, my misunderstanding then. Sorry.

@CJ: Your last statement is so true. We'll see how many "loyalist" there are then, lol.
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Crap. I just realized the "spelling stuff out" part looks like I was referring to you. I wasn't, fyi.

CJSpencer77
I love GT5 and still play it more than any other game, but having said that loyalty to a game doesnt make sense to me, if the worlds greatest race sim came out tommorow with all the cars / tracks etc that you want with near as can be perfect physics etc. etc. everyone would jump ship.
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That's kind of wrong to say. Not trying to dismiss it, but it's not the way this works. If you said that before GT came out and we're on a NFS forum in the early '90s, then maybe. lol
 
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mcfizzle
I loved GT1-4 using DS controllers, I loved prologue and GT5 with my DFP, but the different upgrades I have made take it to whole new level. I added a Playseat GT, T500, 3D TV, and Buttkicker Gamer 2 and it's just can't be beat. Problem is, once you start adding you never stop, there is always something that catches your eye. Triple Screens will be my next upgrade but not for a while now. That's not to say someone can't enjoy it just as much with DS3 or DFGT though.
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I'm fine with gradually adding more, sounds like you have a pretty killer rig! I want the Playseat F1 and eventually, much better audio and three screens... Maybe by this time in 2013 that'll happen :drool:

I have days when even the DF GT and G25 pedals are still good enough along with my cheapo surround sound and 32" LCD and original Sparco cockpit (made for the DFP but modded for the G25 pedal board). Depends on what I'm driving, what track, how serious the event is... I certainly loved GT3 on the controller, but early in GT4 that had to evolve to the DFP. Back and forth for a while between DFP and DF GT for GT5P and GT5... DF GT was an absolute must for NFS Shift to control that swing in the backyard every car seemed to have. Now that I'm not using ABS in GT5 I want better pedals (load cell) and wheel (belt drive), hence looking at the CSR Elite.

I failed to mention in this multiple game thread, I really really really wanted to like each and every F1 game that has come out for the PS3 (even PS2 for that matter) but none of them quite met my expectations in terms of handling. Can't get over that steering limitation of only turning 100 degrees per side (which I hope no one will try to point out is all F1 cars have because they certainly don't, which you can clearly see at the Monaco hairpin or anytime they spin and yank the wheel upside down to try to catch it). I was really impressed with the videos of rFactor 2 showing the hands properly crossed over into the hairpin, makes me want to get a gaming PC :drool::drool::drool:
 
Loyalty goes with customer satisfaction and innovation, but realize that the vast majority of GT5'ers are only casual gamers. My brother, who like me also raced in real life, has no interest or time for online racing. But he buys every GT that comes out and runs cars around the track in Aspec and one make races and I think there are many more of guys like that with the game than like us. The hardcore guys like us here, are familiar with all the little subtle nuances of the game and most people are not. We analyze the game to death because we realize what it could be vs. what it is. But PD caters to the broader audience because that's where the dough is as opposed to the hardcore sim racer which is where iRacing and the like come in.

We live with GT5 and it's limitations because it's $70, not a neverending hole in our pocket like iRacing can be if you really get into it. They both have their markets and obviously the financial success of iRacing is infinitesimal compared to GT5, but it also makes you wonder if iRacing can be so much better in many ways than GT5 is on such a limited budget, why can't PD do both? That is, nail down the racing/online/organized league aspect of it and still appeal to the casual gamer with 394 Skylines and 142 S2000's. The change that falls out of Kaz's pocket every time he changes his pants could pay for what iRacing does, inside of the GT5 umbrella that already exists!!

I don't want to believe it, but the conclusion I keep coming to is that GT5 is more of a work of art, a technical marvel in terms of graphics and how the cars handle, but is never going to be a real, state of the art Racing Sim:grumpy: What it'll take to wake them up is declining sales of GT6 brought on by a competitive title that does everything they already do and more. Project Cars has the potential for that but you never know until the title goes public how it will fare.
 
Every time someone mentions iRacing , I can help but think of that very , very , very hot chick on the inside-simracing youtube show :D

When I look at the extreme sim racing stuff and the money you will spend on it , I just sit in shock. You could buy and run a really fun track day car for the same type of outlay.
 
It is fun, not loyalty that keeps me racing in GT5.

Before the PS3 price drop in November 2009 I did not own a PS3. I already had a G25 wheel and occasionally played GT4. When the price dropped to $249 US, I thought that was fair so I bought a PS3 along with GT5 Prologue. I have played online nearly every night since then.

While waiting for GT5 though I did buy a couple of other racing games.

Grid, for the PC I thought was fun, but there was not much going on online. Usually just a few lame lobbies – and most of them were demolition derby lobbies.

I bought Shift for PS3 with very high hopes of some great online racing, but good grief – you get points in that game for knocking someone else off track? Just stupid.

So I always went back to GT5 Prologue for online racing – even though sometimes it would take a couple of minutes to match you up with other players and more often then not the races weren’t that great, and it was the same track over and over and over. (On the upside Eiger is my favorite track now even though I hated it at first – “It’s supposed to be a 🤬 race track – why are these hairpins here?”)

Now I race GT5 every night. Sure I would love more of the old tracks back, but I still have fun every night.

I can’t wait to have my hat knocked off with all the new (old) tracks that are coming with GT6.
 
SlipZtrEm
Eh, but it's still only your opinion on a waste of money. I bought a 360 just over a year ago solely for the Forza series, and not counting Netflix usage, it's on far more than my PS3 is. FM3 came with it, and I've got the LCE's of FM4 and FH, both of which get plenty of play time. I don't think I've gone more than maybe 3 days without playing FM4 prior to Horizon's release actually, meanwhile GT5 hasn't been on since... The 2.07 update? Maybe earlier?

The funny thing is I mostly bought the PS3 for GT5; it was purchased July 2010. I prefer PS exclusives to XBox ones, so I was always going to get a Sony system first, but I waited until a firm release date was announced for the game I was likely to play most. Then it got delayed of course, but that's another topic ;)

I will never understand this "loyalty" stuff either. These aren't religions, or wives; GT5 isn't hurt if you play other games, and since you've already bought it, you can't very well remove the money that's gone to the associated parties. In these bizarre obsessive actions, I'm always curious if it's to intentionally avoid experiencing features in other games that these "loyalists" know they would enjoy. That's pretty bizarre behavior over a video game.

I've said it before: competition breeds excellence, and I'm happy that the GT franchise's dominating status from the PS1 days has eroded. It forces them to (at least try to) improve, and in the end, we benefit. The more racing games to play, the better.

EDIT: I changed the title: we try to avoid the derogatory term "fanboy", and I ask that others do the same.
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The way I see it, the difference is you know the big 'why' in why you play one game more often than the other. GT5 lacks here, there and over there aswell.
While I'm in a different position, I got a console and a great game that has about everything the other one lacks in, heck you might know by my thread how much of a fan of a certain carmaker I am... FM4 has the interesting models (VXR)... And I haven't even plugged my Xbox in since I moved in to another flat a week ago.

I would like to like FM4 more than I currently do, but (again) for some strange reason, it just seems like I don't.
 
Never understood the whole concept of "loyalty" to a single game. As long as you support the game you like and buy it's DLC ect. what else can you do?
Then it doesn't matter if you also play another game and support it too, since you've already supported the first game. Unless, lol, in secret you think that by not supporting another game and saying so on some online forum the games you don't like will fail. But in the end, that doesn't even help you anyhow -- healthy competition within the genre is going to make all the games better. We should be praying for a third sim series to come out on the Wii U that is exclusive to it, that challenges both Forza and Gran Turismo.


I love sims but I also love arcade racers as well. I grew up on Ridge Racer and GT. Loved them both for different reasons. Over time I played some NFS games and the burnout series. Both are great Arcade style racers and have a lot to offer.

Generally when I want to play a Sim I play GT5 and when I want an arcade experience I play NFS:HP, which I still think is the best arcade style racer that has come out in years. ( I played the new Most Wanted and I think it's terrible for too may reasons to go into here; tldr the game is all style over substance -- yes, arcade games can have substance lol)


I switch between the 2 for various reasons but mostly it's because I get tired what how Sims recreate speed, it's like watching paint dry.. especially after coming off a Arcade session. That said, I enjoy the realism, after all, playing Sims is the closest I'll likely ever get to actually driving a McLaren F1 :lol:
 
I can't consider myself a long time GT fan.. However I know that I am going to be a long term fanboy/loyalist from this point on.
 
You know, me being an old man and all, and not really being in the know of these terms that the younger generation use, I decided to look up the term "fanboy" to get its true meaning. Well, all I can say is I wonder if the very people that call themselves "fanboys" really know what that word means. I know I wouldn't want myself to be considered a "fanboy" after reading this on Urban Dictionary.


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Fanboy

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An extreme fan or follower of a particular medium or concept, whether it be sports, television, film directors, video games (the most common usage), etc.

Known for a complete lack of objectivity in relation to their preferred focus. Usually argue with circular logic that they refuse to acknowledge. Arguments or debates with such are usually futile. Every flaw is spun into semi-virtues and everything else, blown to comedic, complimentary proportions.

Known for using the phrase
"Object of affection = Best Ever"
However, while people only really say that as hyperbole, fanboys truly believe it.

Troll the internet to spread the gospel.

Insult/chastise others for using public forums to express an objective opinion, no matter how constructive or, respectful it may be. (Go ahead and admit that it's a good game/movie/etc. This fact and anything else will be promptly ignored in favor of cherry picking the negative, and beating you over the head with it.

Tend to resort to petty annoyance replies when backed against the wall. Usually grammar attacks and non-replies.

"Final Fantasy VII is the best RPG ever!"
"Ocarina of Time is the best game ever!"
"Linux is the best OS ever!"
"Xbox is the best console ever!"
"Dragonball Z is the best show ever!"

The sad thing is, fanboys don't realize, that these companies that fuel their passion, don't really give a damn about us. To me, defending a multi-national corporation like their your own family, is ridiculous. These organizations don't come to your house and help you when you're sick, they don't help you move, or drive you to the airport. They don't support you in any way. It's a business, not a friendship. As soon as you can no longer buy their product, you disappear to them.


Funny type of people those fanboys are, lol.
 
GTP_CargoRat
You know, me being an old man and all, and not really being in the know of these terms that the younger generation use, I decided to look up the term "fanboy" to get its true meaning. Well, all I can say is I wonder if the very people that call themselves "fanboys" really know what that word means. I know I wouldn't want myself to be considered a "fanboy" after reading this on Urban Dictionary.


"Final Fantasy VII is the best RPG ever!"
"Ocarina of Time is the best game ever!"
"Linux is the best OS ever!"
"Xbox is the best console ever!"
"Dragonball Z is the best show ever!"

The sad thing is, fanboys don't realize, that these companies that fuel their passion, don't really give a damn about us. To me, defending a multi-national corporation like their your own family, is ridiculous. These organizations don't come to your house and help you when you're sick, they don't help you move, or drive you to the airport. They don't support you in any way. It's a business, not a friendship. As soon as you can no longer buy their product, you disappear to them.



Funny type of people those fanboys are, lol.
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DBZ IS the best by the way.

Now on to what's highlighted -
PD gives a damn about their product though. Anyone who says otherwise, how has a game like this, during a time like this still hold the attention of millions of others? Why does PD work endlessly on ONE series? Why has PD cared to give us free content and free updates (yes, free)? How is it that Kaz was the first/best person to present this idea to Sony?; he even had to prove himself with Motor Toon which was an unfinished game in Kaz's/"our" eye. How is it that Kaz is the One? If he wasn't, GT2 would be crap. Sequels ALWAYS (sarcasm) suck.


READ READ READ!!!
Perfection at any price? Kazunori Yamauchi on learning to let go
http://videogamesdaily.com/features...rice-kazunori-yamauchi-on-learning-to-let-go/


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What has Kazunori Yamauchi done for the car industry?
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=130139


I'm a fanboy during the day, a hater in my sleep. :rolleyes:
 
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Thanks for posting the definition of fanboy GTP_CargoRat. I've recently come to the conclusion that it is easier dealing with a "hater" than dealing with a fanboy. At least you can reason with a "hater". Also, do you notice that the word "hater" is mostly used by the fanboys?

As for me, PD has lost my respect. They took $5 from me and others and gave us a broken DLC that wasn't fixed for 3 months. That isn't the proper way to treat a customer or conduct business.
 
For some, gt is a way of life. "why don't you just play another game?" doesn't compute. their brain is just left saying what
 
Ah brand loyalty - the holy grail of Neuroscience marketing. If 'loyalty' is the reason you purchase anything then you are essentially removing any incentive the manufacturer has to improve their product. Corporations have only one purpose and that is to make money. Competition and objective consumers force them to take the time to make sure they are offering something of perceived value in return. If you are willing to purchase their products, site unseen or to never look at the alternatives, they don't really need to bother with that anymore do they?

You might be interested in a BBC program called "secrets of the superbrands" Here's a quote from the presenter....

"The Bishop of Buckingham -- who reads his Bible on an iPad -- explained to me the similarities between Apple and a religion. And when a team of neuroscientists with an MRI scanner took a look inside the brain of an Apple fanatic it seemed the bishop was on to something. The results suggested that Apple was actually stimulating the same parts of the brain as religious imagery does in people of faith."

Don't ever be 'loyal' to a corporation, it destroys innovation and excellence

I foolishly pre-ordered GT5 because I had really,really,really liked GT1, GT3 & GT4 - I will not be pre-ordering GT6
 
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I don't see buying, playing, or even loving Gran Turismo as a marriage, but rather a really good friendship. It's perfectly fine for me to spend time with others so long as I keep in touch. In that regard I am loyal to the GT series because I keep coming back. Though I have played lots of other racing games. I have played almost all PS3 racing games, that feature real cars, but I keep coming back to Gran Turismo 5 because I think it's the most fun to play. As long as Polyphony Digital make fun games I will remain loyal but not exclusively so.
 
I used to play all kinds of different games but as I've gotten older it just seems like I'm losing interest in video games, GT5 is the main game I've played for the last year, other games just don't hold my interest anymore, the only game I'm looking forward to is Grand Theft Auto 5, it will definitely end my gt5 playing when it comes out. I haven't even bought a new game for almost a year, riding 4 wheeler, dirtbike, and my street bike are just so much more fun than gaming, I might play more now that it's winter though.
 
GTP_CargoRat
The sad thing is, fanboys don't realize, that these companies that fuel their passion, don't really give a damn about us. To me, defending a multi-national corporation like their your own family, is ridiculous. These organizations don't come to your house and help you when you're sick, they don't help you move, or drive you to the airport. They don't support you in any way. It's a business, not a friendship. As soon as you can no longer buy their product, you disappear to them.

Funny type of people those fanboys are, lol.
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Well said. It's a business like any other and the business goes where the money goes. If it made more sense financially to put 50 more Skylines and 50 more S2000's in the game and leave out all American cars, that's what they'd do. When you are no longer objective enough to acknowledge the faults and deficiencies in something you love, you cease to be able to contribute to a healthy discussion. I love the game, but I'm not blind to it's faults.

another_jakhole
DBZ IS the best by the way.

Now on to what's highlighted -
PD gives a damn about their product though. Anyone who says otherwise, how has a game like this, during a time like this still hold the attention of millions of others? Why does PD work endlessly on ONE series? Why has PD cared to give us free content and free updates (yes, free)? How is it that Kaz was the first/best person to present this idea to Sony?; he even had to prove himself with Motor Toon which was an unfinished game in Kaz's/"our" eye. How is it that Kaz is the One? If he wasn't, GT2 would be crap. Sequels ALWAYS (sarcasm) suck.

I'm a fanboy during the day, a hater in my sleep. :rolleyes:
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No offense, and maybe you're trying to make a point, but saying PD gives a damn about their product is something that can't be argued. Of course they do, but only because it pays the bills. If they weren't making money, they'd move on to something else. The staff there work endlessly on it because Kaz signs their paycheques to do so. They may also love their work and love the brand, but when the paycheques stop, they hit the road.

And the content isn't free, you paid for it when you bought the game. I've run businesses before, there is no such thing as free. This stuff was all thought out well ahead of time and there's more than enough money in the kitty to cover "free" stuff. The game has brought in probably a half billion dollars, I'd hardly call anything associated with it free.
 
I play GT5 almost exclusively, not out of loyalty, but for 2 main reason.
1. I have tried most other game, PC and PS3, and GT5 is the one I prefer, so I do not play the other anymore and concentrate, in the limited time I have to play, on GT5.
2. I am lucky to be part of a league that use GT5 for online racing.

Not trying the other game ( or SIM as some like to be called ) is not a good idea. Trying other game will take you 2 places, You like it better than GT5, good for you! You don't like as much as GT5, good for you!
Better yet, you even appreciate GT5 more and realise how fantastic it is and how lucky we are that it is available.
 
I don't have any loyalty to any game franchise nor platform. It's stupid to have it. Every GT and Forza full fledged title I buy immediately because both franchises to me are my favorites. I do not buy GT5P because of the principles I have as I am NOT a fan of the whole Prologue glorified beta/demo thing but it is what it is.

It's a shame people have this brand loyalty thing though as they are the ones who lose out in the end. They tend to make up whatever excuse, justify any issue with a game or reasoning behind NOT playing the other platform. Most in fact are so heavily invested into 1 platform/franchise they laugh at even considering going the other route. But as I said, it is their loss and their loss only.
 
I don't have loyalty to the GT series the way cuco33 explained it. It's mostly how I feel. I AM a fanboy though.


Johnnypenso
No offense, and maybe you're trying to make a point, but saying PD gives a damn about their product is something that can't be argued. Of course they do, but only because it pays the bills. If they weren't making money, they'd move on to something else. The staff there work endlessly on it because Kaz signs their paycheques to do so. They may also love their work and love the brand, but when the paycheques stop, they hit the road.

And the content isn't free, you paid for it when you bought the game. I've run businesses before, there is no such thing as free. This stuff was all thought out well ahead of time and there's more than enough money in the kitty to cover "free" stuff. The game has brought in probably a half billion dollars, I'd hardly call anything associated with it free.
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I just won't touch this. It's all said in a way that's too easy to refute what I said.
 
Fanboys are loyalists. They stick usually to 1 franchise/game or blindly defend it and any of it's issues. Your posts on here another_jakhole, and on the news page as well, speaks highly of your stance with the GT series. But at least you're openly admitting you're a fanboy of the series.
 
another_jakhole
I don't have loyalty to the GT series the way cuco33 explained it. It's mostly how I feel. I AM a fanboy though.



I just won't touch this. It's all said in a way that's too easy to refute what I said.
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So, you are admitting you are a fanboy as defined in my post #71? Good to know, now we know what to expect from you, lol.
 
cuco33
Fanboys are loyalists. They stick usually to 1 franchise/game or blindly defend it and any of it's issues. Your posts on here another_jakhole, and on the news page as well, speaks highly of your stance with the GT series. But at least you're openly admitting you're a fanboy of the series.
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Not blind enough to say GT5 is the best in every single way. Not enough to say it's a better game than FM4. At the end of the day, GT5 is for me.

GTP_CargoRat
So, you are admitting you are a fanboy as defined in my post #71? Good to know, now we know what to expect from you, lol.
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Nooooooo. I've only made three posts in here. The first one is on the front page when I replied to the old guy (:D) who didn't know what a fanboy was. Expect from me? I thought You already knew I'm not about that.
 
another_jakhole
Not blind enough to say GT5 is the best in every single way. Not enough to say it's a better game than FM4. At the end of the day, GT5 is for me.


Nooooooo. I've only made three posts in here. The first one is on the front page when I replied to the old guy (:D) who didn't know what a fanboy was. Expect from me? I thought You already knew I'm not about that.
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Well, you just stated in your post above that you were a "fanboy" so that definition pretty much applies to you if you are calling yourself a "fanboy" lol.
 
GTP_CargoRat
Well, you just stated in your post above that you were a "fanboy" so that definition pretty much applies to you if you are calling yourself a "fanboy" lol.
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I don't use that definition and only use it when it's obvious that I'm not calling myself an ignorant :dunce:. Pretty sure in my first post I explain why I am one and then with the post right above yours saying I'm not blind to what GT5 or the GT series isn't. It's imperfect and always will be. Until I say GT is the best and nothing is more fun, then let's consider me to be the non-blind fanboy. The only time people care to use "fanboy" is for offence.

ALL of my posts (edit - I thought Page 4 was the first page for some reason) are on display on this page if you care to look through them all again. Why would I call myself a fanboy in the sense that you use? The last statement in my first post is in reference to the member who made a post right after my first one (Page 4, not my first post though).

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Damn, I didn't remember I made other posts before the one when I said DBZ is the best. lmao YOU'RE the old guy ;). I forgot. I was in a haze yesterday.
 
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