The Virtual Track Day Series: Closed

[guska]

Goose was circulating as well, but I think he was trying to suss out his new brake balance controller, 'cos he wasn't exactly trying

Just you wait 'till I get that sucker dialled in! I'm having rear end stability issues under heavy braking at the moment, but I will sort it out!

Hey can I run my own car???



Holden VL Commodore Berlina '88

3.0L inline 6 (RB30DE)

4-spd autmatic transmission

MODS

K&N Pod filter
NGK Iridium Plugs
King Springs sports low rear springs
Monroe Sports Ryder lowered rear shocks
Painted intake piping
Largish chrome-like tacho (It has one stock, but this one looks cooler, and the stock one is slow to react - worn)
Removed Brake pedal rubber padding
Removed Accelerator pedal (I broke the metal pin holding it on, it is just the stalk)
Chrome Rims (Brake cookers)
Sports exhaust (twin 2 1/2" tips)
NOS Steering wheel cover
Gran Turismo Seat covers
Custom sun-faded paint

 

[Dave_George]

Ok, Dave, I see your iconic French, mid engined, turbocharged, rear wheel drive rally weapon, and raise it by... four wheel drive!

...and about 180bhp too!! How am I meant to compete with that

Having a go at Laguna Seca soon.

Dave

 

[guska]

oh and the commodore has done more than a staggering 1,000,000 (one million) kms

edit - and never had an engine rebuild, or any major problems. However the odometer stopped working around 500,000 about 6 years ago, so i can't prove it

 

[Dave_George]

Well I have updated my time post for Laguna Seca, the Clio was the first to be driven in anger, surprisingly good around here as the corners are not so tight and dont provoke too much understeer.

I have removed some weight from the two Renaults and added some horses to the Alfa which now boasts 155 ponies thanks to a stage 1 N/A tune, I looked into a stage 1 turbo which gave 168bhp but it somehow wasnt in keeping with the Alfa's character....

Clio so far is a 1'45.963 with <1'45 being the first target, with so many tricky corners there should be more time to come from this circuit.

The Alfa is next up for some track time and then the 5 which might benefit from being 30kgs lighter now.

regards

David

 

[guska]

...added some horses to the Alfa which now boasts 155 ponies thanks to a stage 1 N/A tune, I looked into a stage 1 turbo which gave 168bhp but it somehow wasnt in keeping with the Alfa's character....

Respect for keeping with the image of the car. I think that's important

 

[FastEddie12]

...and then the 5 which might benefit from being 30kgs lighter now.

regards

David

No Dave, it needs more power! 210bhp isn't nearly enough!

 

[Dave_George]

No Dave, it needs more power! 210bhp isn't nearly enough!

Well lets just say i didnt want to be....predictable in my tuning, trying not to go straight in for the big power mods:tup:

I bought cheap old cars . . now I have some money left to pay my tuner to travel with me . .

Me too, I have to take a whole team with me, the Renault 5 by default blows up and needs a rebuild every 5 laps or so

David

 

[FastEddie12]

Mini Leaderboard:​

Suzuka: Lotus Special


A112 abarth: 2'12.595"
l2ev: 2'13.357"
Holdenhsvgtsr: 2'13.591"
FastEddie12: 2'14.901"
gOoSeTeR: 2'17.493"
Deathwishoo: 2'19.516"
Scaff: 2'25.580"

OK guys, that's where we are, let's see what else we can do.

Goose, that Holden of yours is one tough cookie, but I bet one thing: the interior light doesn't come on when you open the door! It's always the first thing to go...

 

[Dave_George]

Ok had 10 laps with the Alfa and 3 laps with the 5 Turbo....

Despite the Alfa now boasting a greater power to weight ratio than the Clio and being FR layout, I cant beat my Clio ghost as yet, exiting corners the Alfa is stronger being able to get the power down faster, the Clio's acceleration is much better and the braking is in a different league...

The 5 Turbo's target is to crack 1'40.000 which I think is achieveable, feels smooth at Laguna and -30kgs is noticeable indeed.

Enjoying 3 totally different charactered cars even if they are at the slower end of the scale

cheers

David

 

[FastEddie12]

Glad you're enjoying it, Dave: you've got 2 of my favourite cars there, but I'm not certain I've ever driven the Clio.

World's Stupidest Gearing Award

The Caterham has the most bizarre gearing! This is a car with the aerodynamics of a brick that is made to blitz everything below 100mph. You'd think it would be geared for the job, but no. It has a 6 speed gearbox, and 1st is good for 82mph, 2nd 114mph and 3rd 145mph!!! Until I took it to the speed bowl I hadn't used anything above 3rd. Go figure...

It was annoying me so much, I took it to the speed bowl, just to see. And this is what I found:
.....................mph@..............max mph @
revs:.............10,000................c.12,000
gear
1st....................70......................82
2nd...................96......................114
3rd...................122.....................145
4th...................137.....................160
5th...................154...................c170
6th...................162......................?

Actual top speed with 199bhp: 164.83mph

Notice how the gears close up at the top: WHY???
At a real track day, Caterhams are always among the fastest things there (369kg...), which is why I chose it, but here the handicap of that gearbox is infuriating

I just wanted you to know that

 

[l2ev]

Budget Division
Rear Wheel Drive: 0-200 HP Class

Mazda RX-7 GT-Limited (FC, J) 1985

Parts

Exhaust: Sport
Racing-Chip: None
NA-Tuning: None
Tire Type: S1
Turbine Kit: Stage 2
Intercooler: None
Supercharger: None
Racing Brakes: None
Brake controller: None
Suspension: Sport
Transmission: Standard
Clutch: Standard
Flywheel: Racing
Carbon Driveshaft: None
Driving Aids: 0
Wing: None
Limited-slip: None
Variable Center Diff.: None
Port Polish: None
Engine Balancing: None
Displacement UP: None
Weight Reduction: Stage 1
Roll Cage: None
Rigidity Refresher Plan: Done​

Current Stats:

Power: 283 HP @ 6500
Torque: 248.09 ft.lb. @ 3500
Weight: 1164 kg​

S1: 0'24.935
S2: 0'49.016
S3: 1'14.055
Time: 1'39.035




Modern Division
US & Aus Muscle

Holden Commodore SS 2004

Parts

Exhaust: Sport
Racing-Chip: None
NA-Tuning: None
Tire Type: S1
Turbine Kit: None
Intercooler: None
Supercharger: None
Racing Brakes: None
Brake controller: None
Suspension: Sport
Transmission: Standard
Clutch: Standard
Flywheel: Racing
Carbon Driveshaft: None
Driving Aids: 0
Wing: Installed
Limited-slip: None
Variable Center Diff.: None
Port Polish: None
Engine Balancing: None
Displacement UP: None
Weight Reduction: Stage 1
Roll Cage: None
Rigidity Refresher Plan: None​

Current Stats:

Power: 348 HP @ 5600
Torque: 363.53 ft.lb. @ 4000
Weight: 1459 kg​

S1: 0'24.204
S2: 0'47.123
S3: 1'11.023
Time: 1'35.376




Millionaire's Division
Supercar Class

Ford GT 2005

Parts

Exhaust: Sport
Racing-Chip: None
NA-Tuning: None
Tire Type: S1
Turbine Kit: None
Intercooler: None
Supercharger: None
Racing Brakes: None
Brake controller: None
Suspension: Sport
Transmission: Standard
Clutch: Standard
Flywheel: Racing
Carbon Driveshaft: None
Driving Aids: 0
Wing: Installed
Limited-slip: None
Variable Center Diff.: None
Port Polish: None
Engine Balancing: None
Displacement UP: None
Weight Reduction: Stage 1
Roll Cage: None
Rigidity Refresher Plan: None​

Current Stats:

Power: 584 HP @ 6500
Torque: 530.75 ft.lb. @ 3750
Weight: 1363 kg​

S1: 0'21.594
S2: 0'42.082
S3: 1'04.571
Time: 1'26:383

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

well got the audi's back,decided on turbo upgrades for the RS6 and S4 ,
standard the RS6 comes with K04 turbos,so out they went and in went 2 ATP GTRS turbos (mate has one on his leon)

although they are on low boost setting as i dont have the bigger injectors and fuel pump fitted(need stage 2 for that)
result was 492BHP

with the S4 i decided to removed the K03s Turbos and fitted it with star performance spec hybird K04's that came from the RS6,result was 293bhp

decidied just to get the quattro chipped so it now has 262bhp

the car were then flown over to the us
first impression on the RS6,too heavy lol,suspension needs stiffend alot.
first impression on the S4,feels nice and solid,quite alot of oversteer though
first impression on the quattro,feels great as always more direct steering too

laps times so far all quick 1 lappers
RS6 - 1:38.814
S4 - 1:41.831
Quattro - 1:47.245

 

[guska]

Goose, that Holden of yours is one tough cookie, but I bet one thing: the interior light doesn't come on when you open the door! It's always the first thing to go...​

Actually, you will be shocked to find out that absolutely everything works! The air-con needs re-gassing, but it still blows cold air, so it's all good​

 

[l2ev]

Actually, you will be shocked to find out that absolutely everything works! The air-con needs re-gassing, but it still blows cold air, so it's all good

I wish American cars ran like that. Do you baby the car?

 

[guska]

I wish American cars ran like that. Do you baby the car?

Baby the car? *goes into hysterical laughing fit* Nope, not at all, I wind it to 6,000 RPM on a regular basis (redline on the stock tach, and in the specs is 6,250 RPM, I drift around the town, do burnouts, and basically drive it hard (kinda like I stole it). I have just had a fair bit of experience thrashing cars, and I know when to give it a break. It starts first time every time, without any coaxing needed. just turn the key ad there it is. It's a big chuggy on cold mornings until the oil works its way through, as I am using really thick oil to help save the rings (1,000,000Kms will do some strange things to rings)

 

[l2ev]

Baby the car? *goes into hysterical laughing fit* Nope, not at all, I wind it to 6,000 RPM on a regular basis (redline on the stock tach, and in the specs is 6,250 RPM, I drift around the town, do burnouts, and basically drive it hard (kinda like I stole it). I have just had a fair bit of experience thrashing cars, and I know when to give it a break. It starts first time every time, without any coaxing needed. just turn the key ad there it is. It's a big chuggy on cold mornings until the oil works its way through, as I am using really thick oil to help save the rings (1,000,000Kms will do some strange things to rings)

That's whats up. It must be true: the first 100 miles of a cars life is how it likes to be driven. Mine has also treated me well, especially at Laguna Seca...

Update - Holden and GT

 

[Dave_George]

Glad you're enjoying it, Dave: you've got 2 of my favourite cars there, but I'm not certain I've ever driven the Clio.

World's Stupidest Gearing Award

The Caterham has the most bizarre gearing! This is a car with the aerodynamics of a brick that is made to blitz everything below 100mph. You'd think it would be geared for the job, but no. It has a 6 speed gearbox, and 1st is good for 82mph, 2nd 114mph and 3rd 145mph!!! Until I took it to the speed bowl I hadn't used anything above 3rd. Go figure...

It was annoying me so much, I took it to the speed bowl, just to see. And this is what I found:
.....................mph@..............max mph @
revs:.............10,000................c.12,000
gear
1st....................70......................82
2nd...................96......................114
3rd...................122.....................145
4th...................137.....................160
5th...................154...................c170
6th...................162......................?

Actual top speed with 199bhp: 164.83mph

Notice how the gears close up at the top: WHY???
At a real track day, Caterhams are always among the fastest things there (369kg...), which is why I chose it, but here the handicap of that gearbox is infuriating

I just wanted you to know that

I noticed that with the Caterham also a while back when I tuned one, its almost like PD wanted to make it different from most cars just because its has a bike engine...

I found that with a FC gearbox set to top out at about 140mph it really came alive with a lot more rapid changes:tup:

Who knows the real one may be like this but somehow doesnt seem right does it?! I do remember thinking they might have done it to kurb wheelspin as it weighs so little...?

regards

David

 

[guska]

That's whats up. It must be true: the first 100 miles of a cars life is how it likes to be driven.[/URL]

Thats just the thing, it had been babied all its life, until feb 2005, when i got it, since then it has been hammered

 

[FastEddie12]

Timepost:


Caterham Seven Fireblade '02: 1'37.713" - it's coming down...

update: 1'37.293"

Peugeot 205T16 '85: 1'37.024" - work to do.

update: 1'36.777" - I think that's it.

Further update: 1'35.626" - where that came from I don't know!

Ruf RGT '00: 1'32.808" - There's a bit more to come, but not much.

Further update: 1'31.972"

its almost like PD wanted to make it different from most cars just because its has a bike engine...

...Who knows the real one may be like this but somehow doesnt seem right does it?! I do remember thinking they might have done it to kurb wheelspin as it weighs so little...?

Bikes do have high 1st gears, sure, but then the gears are evenly spaced. I haven't found the actual gearing yet, but it uses the FireBlade gearbox unmodified, so I find it hard to believe this gearing is correct.

Close ratio 'box is ideal, tops out at about 140 (high enough for track use with those aerodynamics...), with even gaps between the gears, but yes, wheelspin raises its ugly head in 1st & 2nd then, which is thankfully absent with 'stock' gearing.

What I'd like is 60mph in first, then 20mph increments per gear... We can all dream, can't we?

 

[Scaff]

Very quick update as I'm off to Leeds with work for a week, so I only had a chance to grab a dozen or so laps in each car last night.

Mods for Laguna Seca

Stage 2 Turbo on both cars

Galant 1.53:623

Skyline GT-R 1.38:777

I hope to have internet access from my hotel so I can keep up to date with everyone else, but these are going to be my actual times for Laguna Seca

Regards

Scaff


BTW - Updates on my Time post as well.

 

[guska]

Time update

Monaro CV8 - 1'44.824

Stage 1 Weight Reduction as Laguna Seca mod (thanks ed)

 

[FastEddie12]

Mini Leaderboard @ post #278https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2273035&postcount=278https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2273035&postcount=278https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2273035&postcount=278

How do you find the URL address for a single post???

(Edit:Thanks Goose...)

Scaff: sorry we had to move on, but we needed to keep the momentum going. I was concerned about people losing interest...

Let me know what day you are due back, and I may be able to give you a chance to post late. Tricky with the points, though.

 

[guska]

How do you find the URL address for a single post???

Click the post number, and it will bring it up on its own, then just copy/paste the address form the address bar

 

[Eric.]

We had some delays in finding some containers to ship the cars in one move, though the workers at the shipping company tried getting us to stuff the Ginetta on top of the GTO...All three cars are loaded up and on their way to the states as we speak.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

well im having a problem with the RS6,since ive changed the turbos,the turbos have started losing boost the higher up the rev range from 2500rpm you go till you get to around 5500rpm where it is on no boost at all till the redline,where as with the stock K04 turbos it ran full boost the whole time also doesnt feel as strong too
Stock K04 turbos
Stage 1
thought it was an air flow problem so stuck on a racing intercooler and was still losing boost
then i decided to do a drag racing test down the le mans straight with the RS6 and my little brother in stock E55,in first and second when the audi had more boost it pulled away fine and kept a lead,but from 3rd onwards where the cars are higher in the rev range and the audi losing boost the e55 just went by the audi
only thing i can think of is to keep it on the stock turbos but then it will be extremely fair behind everyone else and not be competive
my proposal to eddie and the stewards and only trackday people is a change of car.
A 2005 BMW M5 with the same upgrades as the RS6(racing flywheel,sports clutch,S1 tyres and NA stage 1)

p.s. the second video is on youtube as putfile went down half way when i was uploading it

edit: video now on putfile and in synic

 

[FastEddie12]

See if you can get a rental I'm sure they won't notice the shagged tyres and smoking clutch...

(I don't mind. Any one else?)

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

See if you can get a rental I'm sure they won't notice the shagged tyres and smoking clutch...

(I don't mind. Any one else?))

ah the joys of rentals
story time
my uncles mate once hired a car (a BMW 320)when he was in holiday in germany and took it to the nurburgring and did 3 laps and the suspension failed , took it back and just said erm i think the suspension broke when i was driving on the motorway and he got away with it

 

[FastEddie12]

Oh, and Holden, assuming no-one complains, set the car up as if you'd taken it to Suzuka with the rest of us, so with a Suzuka mod and a Laguna mod. 👍 ok?

Edit: That's really sad: I liked that big old Audi there

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

yea i said that it was having the same mods as the RS6 at this stage ie the racing flywheel,sports clutch(Suzuka mod),s1 tyres,sports exhaust and stage 1 NA(Laguna mod since the RS6 had a stage 1 turbo)

 

[guska]

Official Stewards Decision (due to majority vote)

The change to a 2005 BMW M5 will be allowed. Please bring it to the scutineering tent for your stickers.