The Worst Car in GT4

[Spec M]

Besides my rant about the CIEN a few pages back... i think that any 4WD in Gran Turismo 4 sucks at handling, is it me? or does every car with more than two wheels driving the car understeer a LOT?

For some reason I haven't experienced this universal understeer. I dont have many problems with my AWD vehicles, with the exception of majority of the stock Audi's including the 80's Quattro which was some-what of a disappointment. Though it does handle alot better on snow and dirt in oppose to tarmac and pavement for some reason. I guess thats a true rally car for ya, more nimble off road than on. Besides those few beast I can't think of many other AWD cars that give me any noticeable problems. The Evos handle descent and the STIs as well. I think the Spec C with S3s, Stage 3 reductions and a wing can be one of the best handling cars in the game. The 3000GTO can be a bit of a hog on the road now that I think about it. Its a bit tooo heavy to even really be considered a road racing compliant vehicle.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Besides my rant about the CIEN a few pages back... i think that any 4WD in Gran Turismo 4 sucks at handling, is it me? or does every car with more than two wheels driving the car understeer a LOT?

Some of them do understeer a lot. Others understeer to a lesser degree; it depends on the car. But there's plenty of 2-wheel drives in GT4 which also understeer, so saying the AWDs all suck is a blanket statement which isn't necessarily true in all cases, and can apply to plenty of rear-drives as well.

 

[Seismica]

Besides my rant about the CIEN a few pages back... i think that any 4WD in Gran Turismo 4 sucks at handling, is it me? or does every car with more than two wheels driving the car understeer a LOT?

TommyKaira ZZII.

I just disproved your theory

 

[Spec M]

^ I forgot about the ZZII, I built one of these in ETZ and its definately one of the top 5 best handling cars i've driven on the 'Ring.

 

[C-ZETA]

i think that any 4WD in Gran Turismo 4 sucks at handling, is it me? or does every car with more than two wheels driving the car understeer a LOT?

Wrong, wrong, wrong. All wrong. 4WD has excellent handling, FR oversteers, MR oversteers extra, FF's understeer.

 

[Seismica]

^ I forgot about the ZZII, I built one of these in ETZ and its definately one of the top 5 best handling cars i've driven on the 'Ring.

Its also the fastest car in the game on test course

Thats a win for 4WD I love 4WD. Usually you have to tweak the suspension a bit, but they are excellent as a whole, good traction, little to no oversteer and with the right setup, little to no understeer either.

A mid engined car with a good setup does all these better than a 4WD car though... But there isn't many good Mid engined cars in the game (except the ZZII, which is of course also mid engined aswell as 4WD )

I cannot wait for Lamborghini in GT5.

 

[Austin343]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. All wrong. 4WD has excellent handling, FR oversteers, MR oversteers extra, FF's understeer.

I completely disagree. Quite a lot of 4WD cars have terrible understeer on throttle, and I would not generalize the drivetrain as having "excellent handling" within the game. Honestly, FR cars mostly just understeer, and while most FFs do, too, some experience oversteer when the front wheels lose traction somewhat, which is hard to explain. Many FF Hondas exhibit that characteristic quite pronouncedly if you don't believe me. MR cars do oversteer more than understeer, but they are much closer to having excellent handling than any other drivetrain is. The oversteer is actually beneficial because it is mostly very controllable (unrealistically, as RaidoGT will not hesitate to point out) and can be used to slightly "drift" around certain corners to get a faster time.

 

[Spec M]

^^ Yes I agree with the last two post.
The MR layout is just the best for all around.
Though the Ford GT nor the Saleen S7 are good examples in GT4 because of PD's mistakes. But the NSX or the Proto are great examples.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. All wrong. 4WD has excellent handling,

depends what you mean by "excellent". All-wheel drive cars have excellent traction (generally) but depending on the car, the rest of the handling traits can vary from horrible to acceptable. There are a few gems out there which I'd rate highly, but in GT4 they're few and far between.

FR oversteers

...in theory...

this also varies. Most FR cars (in GT4) understeer first, before they'll do anything else. You'll need to try GT1, GT2, GT3, or GT5P to find FR cars which oversteer as they're generally supposed to.

, MR oversteers extra, FF's understeer.

You're more on the money here, but again, it depends on the car.

 

[Kynigh]

Worst car:
SUBARU 360
That thing is just terrible, has just 3 gears, and it's max speed is 79km/h!

 

[the_clonker]

The worst car is the 3-wheeled Benz Patent Motor Wagon 1886. It looks cute, but what is the point? Top speed of 90 miles/week.

 

[sennarose88]

Yaris RS Turbo. Small boring car, spins like hell without TC, & its handling messed up my mood.

 

[niky]

depends what you mean by "excellent". All-wheel drive cars have excellent traction (generally) but depending on the car, the rest of the handling traits can vary from horrible to acceptable. There are a few gems out there which I'd rate highly, but in GT4 they're few and far between.

Agree. Few AWD cars in GT4 are even close to neutral under power... In fact, even the ZZII and Mine's Skyline (very pointy cars off-throttle) understeer under power... the ZZII understeers a lot under power. Stock Skyline GT-Rs are amongst the most neutral in the game on-throttle... but that actually goes away if you fiddle with the differentials... weirdly.

this also varies. Most FR cars (in GT4) understeer first, before they'll do anything else. YOu'll need to try GT1, GT2, GT3, or GT5P to find FR cars which oversteer as they're generally supposed to.

FR cars will momentum oversteer if you provoke them... just like FF cars... most front-engined cars have a lot of understeer unless the manufacturer tweaks the weight balance to bring it closer to 50:50. In this regard, GT4 actually does a good job of showing you what they'll do... understeer off-throttle... then transition to oversteer on the brakes or gas.

It's really snap-over that suffers most in GT4... cars which can easily be provoked into snap-oversteer in real-life are very hard to get out in GT4.

 

[Giygas]

Is it because you were too lazy to lengthen the gear ratios?

No, maybe its because hi-power low weight cars with shorter gear ratios should be able to reach the end of them?💡

 

[Spec M]

The worst car is the 3-wheeled Benz Patent Motor Wagon 1886. It looks cute, but what is the point? Top speed of 90 miles/week.

Its just a novelty thing for the enthusiast. I enjoyed it, thats about the closes i'll ever get to actually piloting one so I thought it was pretty cool.

 

[Seismica]

Agree. Few AWD cars in GT4 are even close to neutral under power... In fact, even the ZZII and Mine's Skyline (very pointy cars off-throttle) understeer under power... the ZZII understeers a lot under power. Stock Skyline GT-Rs are amongst the most neutral in the game on-throttle... but that actually goes away if you fiddle with the differentials... weirdly.

Well no, all you have to do is put more power to the rear wheels in the ZZII and it becomes one of the best handling and easiest to drive cars in the game, and its pretty fast in a straight line too (actually... the fastest check the 300mph thread). It can't beat full on racers though.

And i'd say the stock skylines are more understeery on the entry, oversteery than on the exit.

The best thing about 4WD cars is the tuning potential. As stock most are crap, but the ability to put a little bit more of the power to the back all but elimates oversteer and wheelspin, while reducing the understeer you get from the stock setup (the perfect balance between FR and 4WD). Then you set the suspension up to handle the understeer and keep you flat through the corner and you're set.

I find mid engined cars such as the Proto Spirra, you can set them up to be the fastest by far, but you get that horrible oversteer which means you make mistakes a lot more. maybe 1 in 3 laps i go without making a mistake, whether small or large, and my laptime variation is quite large, especially on tracks with the slighest bumps in them. Around Motegi it goes like a beast, but take it to the ring or Trial Mountain or somewhere similar, and watch it fly... into the barrier.

I don't get any of this with the ZZII or my Evo or my WRX, what i do get is consistent laps and balanced tyre wear (coupled with the distinct lack of wheelspin due to the immense traction) so they're good for endurance too

The engine is in the middle on the ZZII, so all the balance you get in MR cars you also get in the ZZII, but without the side effects

 

[niky]

I was talking about stock... though, yes, these cars can get better with tuning.

 

[Seismica]

I was talking about stock... though, yes, these cars can get better with tuning.

Fair enough

But a lot of the stock MR cars are a bit crap too

 

[Korza]

I've got to say the Gillet Vertigo. That thing has absolutely NO downforce whatsoever, so it handles like crap and takes forever to brake.

Get Racing Tyres For It Then And Learn How To Set It Up

Worst car:
SUBARU 360
That thing is just terrible, has just 3 gears, and it's max speed is 79km/h!

I Did 3500 km/h and a 400m pass in 2.9 secs

 

[Austin343]

Get Racing Tyres For It Then And Learn How To Set It Up

I think you're trying to write in all capital letters; please don't. vBulletin recognizes that and removes all but the first capital letter from each word, producing a post that doesn't look good at all. Also, the Vertigo already has racing tires , and the previous commenter was quite accurate with his criticisms of it. Expertly executed setup still doesn't do much to alleviate the car's numerous issues.

I Did 3500 km/h and a 400m pass in 2.9 secs

On these forums, nobody cares what you can do with a Gameshark.

 

[Korza]

to fix the brakes dont use the brake ballance controller.

 

[LancerEvo7]

Say what? Racing Brakes and a good setup for brake balance can greatly help a car.

 

[Austin343]

to fix the brakes dont use the brake ballance controller.

And what on earth does that bit of (incorrect) advice have to do with the worst car in GT4?

 

[Spec M]

Say what? Racing Brakes and a good setup for brake balance can greatly help a car.

Yeah exactly, you can greatly improve a cars stopping power (and lap times) with those two cheap upgrades. I've never heard anyone say "don't" use a brake balance controller

 

[Prince.M5]

How on earth do you mean by that we don't have to use the Brakes Balance Controller??

I used it very often because every perfect tweak, will fasten my time and that also allowed me to go around the ring with my M5 in the low 6'.

 

[Korza]

And what on earth does that bit of (incorrect) advice have to do with the worst car in GT4?

You whinging and moaning about the brakes

P.S I meant the gillet vertigo, not every car in general

Yeah exactly, you can greatly improve a cars stopping power (and lap times) with those two cheap upgrades. I've never heard anyone say "don't" use a brake balance controller

And I Agree

 

[Austin343]

You whinging and moaning about the brakes

P.S I meant the gillet vertigo, not every car in general

Please enlighten me: where did I ever mention the Vertigo's brakes, or a brake balance controller? And where was I "whinging and moaning"? All I mentioned was the incontrovertible statement that the car has "numerous issues."

I think you're trying to write in all capital letters; please don't. vBulletin recognizes that and removes all but the first capital letter from each word, producing a post that doesn't look good at all. Also, the Vertigo already has racing tires , and the previous commenter was quite accurate with his criticisms of it. Expertly executed setup still doesn't do much to alleviate the car's numerous issues.

Everything I have seen indicates that you neither read posts nor compose your own with much care, and care in posting is highly valued at GTP. You would gain respect and would alleviate the headaches of some people by doing so.

 

[Smallhorses]

Guys. Stay on topic please.
korza493: Use capitals where appropriate at the beginning of sentences or when using "I" to refer to yourself, but don't post in all-capitals, or sentences with every word capitalised, it's viewed as rude within internet forums. Stop double posting too.

 

[Korza]

Thank you. You have wisdom.

 

[Darth_Firebolt]

the mitsubishi HSR-II Concept '89.
absolutely the worst car i've driven in the game besides the givens (ford gt on standard tires, motor carriage, nissan cube, all of the trucks...).