Three Hundred Miles Per Hour

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Long time no see. Took a break from revision (anyone else revising for A2 maths?) and finally sorted a good replay for my run from a while back:

Bentley Speed 8 Race Car - 357.52mph



Link to the Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWcHIVqCX9g

I've taken zoom shots of the wheels at high speed and it might help if you turn up the brightness as well.

Anyways, back to revision :dunce:

Pyrelli
 
I should like to stress to you, ImprezaAddict, that I only asked for video verification because I like to be certain that every single speed on my Leaderboard is totally legitimate and in line with the rules in Post 1. I did not, at any point, say that I didn't believe it was possible - I just like to be sure, so I'll have to stand by my request for video verification. I hope you understand :)

Thanks for the information you've given on this one, Gingiba 👍

Hi, ShadowDiabloS, you've come in with a fair few speeds :) and an unusual collection for a new member. Nice work!
Hope to see some improvements from you soon 👍

Welcome back Pyrelli, watching your video now... Legitimate run, and that's exactly the sort of verification I like, thanks a lot! :dopey:

Leaderboard Updated

DE
 
Yea, I understand what you mean. I understand you want to be sure. I'm getting as much help as I can. I hope to have the video up ASAP.
 
Hey Pyrelli, nice speed

I had to go look at the leaderboard to see if you had taken my record. All I can say is WHEWWW!! that was close :scared:.

An excellent speed nontheless 👍
 
And I've managed to list it as a Toyota... :ouch:

Fixing... :dopey:
Sorted. A far more time-consuming fix than I thought, since Pyrelli already has a Bentley speed.. That'll teach me :lol:

DE
 
lol, those are very impressive speeds u guys have managed to get. i never personally use mph, its all metric to me so 350 mph = 591.5 km/h!!!! :nervous: :nervous: :scared: the most i have gotton is with my pescarolo judd race car set at auto 23. ive gotton to 415 km/h with no nitro. thats about 245 mph
ill post pics up, i kno its not impressive but hey, i did this while racing
 
red car
nissan R92 CP race car - 302 mph
Tvr cerbera speed 12 - 302 mph
toyota minolta race car -332 mph
escudo - 301 mph
gt-one - 372 mph
vw v12 nardo concept - 300 mph
chapparell - 301 mph
option stream z - 307 mph
audi nuvolari quattro - 312 mph
audi le mans quattro - 300 mph
all have photos (and video for one) just how do i attach?
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i was just lookin through what i missed during my long absence and i couldnt help but notice that he never reposted anything...especially not any proof.
ive also noticed that lately a lot of new comers seem to be having a hard time with posting any "proof", that is if they have any.
 
lazyslacker700
i was just lookin through what i missed during my long absence and i couldnt help but notice that he never reposted anything...especially not any proof.
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You're not the only one to pick up on that... :irked: I expected as much from that particular post.

DE
 
The thing that bugged me the most about that 'red car' post was that he claims the have broken the overall speed record, and brought 4 news cars over 300mph, but can only reach 332mph in the Minolta Toyota 88C-V. Something doesn't quite seem consistent there, as the 88C-V doesn't seem to be much different (if at all) between the PAL, NTSC and JPN versions.

In regards to ImprezaAddict's speed, I do believe that viperpilot actually had to reclaim the SRT-10 record back from me after I took it from him last summer. If I remember correctly, it was a pretty difficult speed to beat (which probably says quite a lot), but I don't think 302mph is impossible if you really nailed the setup. I've certainly learned a few more tricks since I held that record, which might allow me to hit that kind of speed (although unsure) if I was to retry with that car. I don't recall if it was possible to wheelie the car or not, but if it was then it certainly wasn't as easy to wheelie as the Group C/LMP cars. I think the main issue here is that as a new member in the 300mph club, you're something of an unknown quality when it comes to high speed tuning. When you come along and post a pretty good (but no impossible) improvement on an existing record as your first speed, it makes people sit up and notice, and that can cause suspicion with new members. I generally reserve judgment until I see a screenshot/replay, but I will say that your general attitude has come across as quite positive, and that's certainly a good sign.

2078TM: I found it funny that you had to check the leader board to see if you were beaten. I knew that your Bentley speed was 359.32mph without even needing to look on the leader board, but I guess it is the car directly above my fastest submitted speed. It makes me wonder if I should post up my most recent speeds with the car (which are from last year, heh), just to get a bit of competition going again.

Talking about the different region versions of GT4 (PAL, NTSC and JPN) has reminded me that I wanted to do an experiment to see if there actually is a difference with certain cars after all. I personally think there is, as I struggle to get within even 20mph of 2078TM's GT-One speed, which to be blunt, seems somewhat strange when you consider what I've done with other cars. I don't know of any glitchy behavior (such as with 4WD cars) which could cause such a huge difference. I'd rather have this anomaly verified once and for all though.

Finally, congratulations to all those that have posted new speeds recently. Well done! 👍
 
MS
In regards to ImprezaAddict's speed, I do believe that viperpilot actually had to reclaim the SRT-10 record back from me after I took it from him last summer. If I remember correctly, it was a pretty difficult speed to beat (which probably says quite a lot), but I don't think 302mph is impossible if you really nailed the setup. I've certainly learned a few more tricks since I held that record, which might allow me to hit that kind of speed (although unsure) if I was to retry with that car. I don't recall if it was possible to wheelie the car or not, but if it was then it certainly wasn't as easy to wheelie as the Group C/LMP cars. I think the main issue here is that as a new member in the 300mph club, you're something of an unknown quality when it comes to high speed tuning. When you come along and post a pretty good (but no impossible) improvement on an existing record as your first speed, it makes people sit up and notice, and that can cause suspicion with new members. I generally reserve judgment until I see a screenshot/replay, but I will say that your general attitude has come across as quite positive, and that's certainly a good sign.
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Thank you, that pretty much matches my thoughts on the subject :)

MS
Talking about the different region versions of GT4 (PAL, NTSC and JPN) has reminded me that I wanted to do an experiment to see if there actually is a difference with certain cars after all. I personally think there is, as I struggle to get within even 20mph of 2078TM's GT-One speed, which to be blunt, seems somewhat strange when you consider what I've done with other cars. I don't know of any glitchy behavior (such as with 4WD cars) which could cause such a huge difference. I'd rather have this anomaly verified once and for all though.
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How about finally testing this? Perhaps one of you posts a setup and defines a driving style for it, and a user of the NTSC, PAL and JPN games tests them individually?

DE
 
Hello again
I had good day in the test track, so here is 2 new speeds.



At first I had little problems with Tommy kaira. Got stuck in 297-298 mph neighborhood but then I noticed that it don't have rear wing. So quick trip to shop and back to track. After little toying with downforce settings I blazed over 300mph mark.

 
Yes, if there are differences across the different version of the game we should identify them. The first easy step regarding the GT One would be to list the versions of the top five:


2078TM 371.90 NTSC
Toronado 369.91 ????
Opendriver 367.65 ????
Crimson 366.89 ????
Coolgeekz 366.05 ????


There are cars that I cannot get close to - 8.6 MPH behind Formula's 88C-V and 6 MPH behind Toronado's '03 Pesky, not to mention the speeds I have not posted for other cars that I can't even get over 300MPH. So it may be game versions to blame or just that the particular sweet spot for that car is elusive.

In any case, let's see what we can discover.
 
2078TM
2078TM 371.90 NTSC
Toronado 369.91 ????
Opendriver 367.65 ????
Crimson 366.89 ????
Coolgeekz 366.05 ????
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I took some time to sift through the profiles of the drivers mentioned (and a few more), and here's the info I gathered...

Toronado is from New York.
Opendriver19a is from North California.
crimson_menace is from Washington.
CoolGeekz location I don't know, but his signature specifies he uses NTSC (for the WRS).

So that's the top 5 all running NTSC.

In fact, the fastest PAL speed for the GT-One is Holdenhsvgtsr's 349.85mph. I cannot work out if Octane_Booster is running PAL or NTSC, but they have a GT-One speed at 356.57mph, possibly making it the quickest PAL speed for the car. Either way we're talking at least 15mph, and potentially at least 22mph slower for the PAL GT-One.

For some extra information, Formula_GT is from Melbourne, Australia; which makes his Toyota 88C-V the fastest PAL car on the leader board. I know that both myself and I-Runner (2 of the best high speed tuners running on the PAL version of GT4) both have concerns over the GT-One. I recall I-Runner mentioning that he tried a certain 'now banned' members wheelie settings for the GT-One (available at GTVault, supposedly good for around 390mph-ish), and was unable to break 360mph.

Hope that helps. 👍
 
Dark Elite
How about finally testing this? Perhaps one of you posts a setup and defines a driving style for it, and a user of the NTSC, PAL and JPN games tests them individually?

DE
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Among WRS racers, it is a known fact that differences indeed exist between PAL and NTSC. It's not quite clear, but it has been proven that the differenced in speed are barely existant on some cars (to the point of 0 difference), yet extremely noticeable on others - the Oreca Viper was almost a second quicker around Grand Valley in NTSC over PAL. I believe there were differences found both in accelleration, and in cornering-performance. And indeed both are factors in GT4 Speedruns. If you need someone with both NTSC and PAL, the WRS Duo Jerry/Sphinx and Ron/Mr P could assist you...

I'll try to dig up that thread from the WRS Archive forum, it may of some use here.
 
Gingiba
...the Oreca Viper was almost a second quicker around Grand Valley in NTSC over PAL.
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It intrigues me that you mention the Team Oreca Viper, as it was one car I remember briefly trying and being dissapointed at the speed with. I was then a little surprised when I saw that it had already broken 300mph. That speed was done by Toronado, who runs the NTSC version.

Just like 2078TM, theres few cars with which I'm quite far off the record. I think most people would agree that we should at least be able to get close... :)
 
Pyrelli PM'ed me offering help making a video, I answered. But I haven't gotten an answer from him yet.
 
This is certainly interesting...

I think we will have to organise a test with the same car, the same setup and the same driving technique on both NTSC and PAL, and see where it gets us. By the look of things, the GT-One would be the most obvious choice...

Another good set of speeds, ShadowDiabloS! Keep on going 👍

Leaderboard ready for update, once the server gets going again...

DE
 
MasterStorm
It intrigues me that you mention the Team Oreca Viper, as it was one car I remember briefly trying and being dissapointed at the speed with. I was then a little surprised when I saw that it had already broken 300mph. That speed was done by Toronado, who runs the NTSC version.

Just like 2078TM, theres few cars with which I'm quite far off the record. I think most people would agree that we should at least be able to get close... :)
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Check the big outrage in this thread:

First, the "unbeatable" Dan/Holl01 managed these splits, on PAL.
Then his rival, Curtis, came back with these with little effort.
Dan had this excuse.
Testing was called for, and Sphinx did it here.
The rest of the thread contains more info regarding that issue. The Caterham was also faster on NTSC...


And DE, here's the thread with the differences-discussion
 
Hello everybody! Long time no see...

I´ve followed this PAL vs NTSC thingy, and I have a few tips on a solution.

Obviously you need someone with both PAL and NTSC to test this.
To erase any human errors, all testing should be done in B-spec (with the same skill-levels that is).
Use the testcourse if possible (can´t remember if b-spec is possible for that track), and run a full stint (until b-spec goes into the pits) on each system, record best lap, slowest lap and overall time. Make sure both systems have the exact same setup, both carwise and gamewise. Do it all in freerun mode.

The Toyota GT-one would be the most obvious choice of car in this case.

Thank you
Team666
 
Thanks for the info, Gingiba

It's quite possible that B-Spec is not affected by the differences (if any) between the versions, Team666, so we can't use it as a test.

Nice start, H3dlund, but you've pinpointed in your post the very reason I don't allow speeds posted in kilometres per hour - we don't know what conversion ratio GT4 uses from kilometres to miles, but it certainly isn't 1.6:1. Using a more likely conversion rate, your speed equals 298.28mph, so I'll have to ask you to follow Rule #1. Cheers.
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1. All speeds must be proven
-1.1 All speeds must be proven by photograph of the Session Record screen showing your maximum speed in miles per hour to go onto the Leaderboard.
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EDIT - Viper's been 'tree'd' :p

DE
 
the session-screens must be in mph, not kmh.........i'm very sorry H3dlund, but i think you have to re-do your run and switch the units from kmh to mph..... good luck 👍

viper

EDIT: D.E. was faster *gg*
 
With regard to possible NTSC/PAL differences, I just ran some tests with my NTSC/NA game:

I bought a new 4.5 mil Toyota GT-ONE, 0.0 miles, and took it to the Top Speed Challenge. I did not do anything to the car, no oil, no settings changes (this includes specifically leaving the ASM/TCS at the default of 10/10/7). I used options settings of AT transmission, active steering off, steering type professional, power assist on, feedback strength mild, and a DFP. The intention here is consistency and repeatability, not fastest speed.

I made three runs, posting speeds of 236.56, 236.06 and 236.54 mph. I then reset the game to keep the mileage on the car at 0.0.

I then bought a new Oreca Viper, again left all settings stock, and went back to the Test Course. I posted these times: 204.00, 204.03, and 204.01 mph, and reset.

I invite others to try the same thing with the exact same settings; at least one other NTSC and a couple PAL. Perhaps we can pinpoint the difference between NTSC and PAL.

Intrigued by the B-spec aspect of this, I took the GT-ONE and Oreca Viper to the Driving Park and Test Course for some practice sessions in B-spec. I did five laps with each car, all pace 3 with overtake off, and came up with the following lap times:
GT-ONE, 1'39.480, 1'39.327, 1'39.299, 1'39.300, and 1'39.282.
Viper, 1'55.203, 1'54.791, 1'54.796, 1'54.795, 1'54.800.

This was done with a 10000/100/100/100 B-spec driver. I repeated the test with a 0/0/0/0 B-spec driver and (astonishingly) all ten times were identical. Again, I think it would be worthwhile for other NTSC and PAL drivers to see if they get the same results. Note that it's especially important to reset the game, preserving not only the 0 mileage but also to erase any possible acquired ability on the part of the B-spec driver (although the results do seem to indicate that driver ability is not a factor at all on Test Course).
 
BobK, seems like a good idea- I'll run my NTSC tonight if I get the chance (my GT One is not 0 miles but I believe it has not lost any power - I'll verify that tonight)

One question, though. For each of the cars can you describe the line you took
- it might make a significant difference in speed.
 
Thanks for the information, BobK
However, I'm slightly concerned that at such low speeds (it sounds rather haughty to refer to 236mph as 'low', but such is our calling :p) the difference might not be so pronounced, if noticable at all. I think that testing at speeds nearer to what we are actually using, for example a setup made to do about 320mph for the GT-One, might be more suitable - it may well be only at the very edges of the performance envelope that we'll find a difference. :)

BobK
I repeated the test with a 0/0/0/0 B-spec driver and (astonishingly) all ten times were identical.
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Rather self-deprecating to think that a B-Spec driver (whom I shan't refer to as Bob, given your username :lol:) who has never driven before can be perfectly consistent, but we vary hugely from run to run :D

Once 2078TM has given us a second set of results for NTSC (so we can see that we're getting accurate readings), I'll test it out on my PAL game. 👍
Indeed, the driving style and lines matter quite a lot - even at these speeds - so how about driving with the inside wheels along the rightmost yellow line for the whole run, as that doesn't require variations once the run is started?

DE
 
I generally tried to keep the car centered over the rightmost yellow line on the straights and the left wheels on the line in the turn. I just now made one pass using the middle line not the right line and posted a 236.09, btw, and a 236.11 using the leftmost line. Also note I said tried; I was not entirely successful. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that smoothness of steering inputs matters more than the exact line.

I'd agree there may not be much difference at these "low" speeds, I was using bone stock as a starting point to see what develops from there. What is important, I think, is everybody working on this using the exact same settings.

I'm hoping we won't get to the point where nitrous is required, as this introduces another potential driving variable; ie, exactly when to push the nitrous button. But I do foresee slapping stage 4 turbos on eventually along with required gearing changes. Just so long as everybody does the same thing.

By the way I chose the GT-ONE because, well, it's easy to make it go fast, and the Viper because that was the car in question in Gingiba's post. I have some suspicions as to what we'll find with these cars but I don't want to prejudice anything here so I'll keep quiet about them.
 
I was like possessed in the test track today. Got my Chaparral quite close to record speed, about 1.4 mph to catch. But I think that is going to be painfully hard to make it. At the moment 307.53 is absolutely best what I can do.



And about the conversion GT4 uses. There is very easy to find out it. I took my VW Golf I GTI '76 to track. (I wanted to push it over 200mph!) I did 322.09 with it, then went to options and changed that to miles. Result was 200.14 mph. I did samething with Holden Commodore. Speeds were 404.10/251.10.

322.09/200.14= 1.6093235
404.10/251.10= 1.609319
300*1.6093235= 482.79705
300*1.609319=482.7957

Someone here could do the same thing, you know to check out if he gets same kind results for the conversion.
 
ShadowDiabloS, good work on the conversion.

However, the issue of converting official speeds for the leaderboard remains in that even if the conversion factor is known you run into the problem of rounding.
Since the speeds are shown to only two decimal places converting from KPH to MPH might still give you a speed that is 0.01 different from what the game would display in MPH. Granted that .01 is very small, but when going for records each hundreth matters.

For example: a speed displayed as 500.56KPH could be anywhere from 500.555 to 500.564
500.555 x 1.609324 = 311.03
500.564 x 1.609324 = 311.04

But the bottom line is that the rules are what they are and it is really no big deal to change the display to MPH.
 
Ran the BobK test.

Achieved 203.93 and 203.98 with the Viper (obviously BobK is a much better driver as he got over 204 :lol:).

Did not run the GT One. As I was changing all the settings back to default values I ran into two issues 1) what are the default tires, and 2) what is default downforce. And my car has 2880 miles on it and shows 788HP in the garage - not sure how this compares to the 0 miles / no oil change car.

I would suggest immediately going to Stage 4 Turbos at least (I agree with nitrous timing being a potential issue, but it may be necessary nontheless). With the Viper, and perhaps with the Toyota, the top speed is power-limited, which is a different scenario from the 300MPH where the limitation is the finish line (ie: they would go faster given more straightaway).
 

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