Three Hundred Miles Per Hour

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Default tyres are Racing Mediums, Stock Downforce (On LM cars) is full downforce.


BTW, why not do an accelleration-test too? With a basic rule, of "No TCS/ASM, 1000m Straightline"... In order to make it 100% Driver-influence free, it should go by these rules: Automatic transmission, no "Stretching" of gears. Also, full-throttle non-stop, to prevent some drivers getting better accelleration.
 
2078TM
ShadowDiabloS, good work on the conversion.

However, the issue of converting official speeds for the leaderboard remains in that even if the conversion factor is known you run into the problem of rounding.
Since the speeds are shown to only two decimal places converting from KPH to MPH might still give you a speed that is 0.01 different from what the game would display in MPH. Granted that .01 is very small, but when going for records each hundreth matters.

For example: a speed displayed as 500.56KPH could be anywhere from 500.555 to 500.564
500.555 x 1.609324 = 311.03
500.564 x 1.609324 = 311.04

But the bottom line is that the rules are what they are and it is really no big deal to change the display to MPH.
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Precisely, well said. :)
Thanks for the research, though, ShadowDiabloS. 👍

Is there any need for an acceleration test? It might be that one version of the game allows faster acceleration from start-off, but restricts it as the speed rises (seems unlikely, but perfectly possible). It doesn't really seem relevant, as we're not testing acceleration times to 1000m.
Correct me if I'm wrong :)

DE
 
Well, it determines the speed with which you enter the (one) corner, and seems to me like traction at 290MPH is just as important (and of the same type) as traction at 10... I remember when the WRS Week 76 thingy took place, the Viper achieved an extra 5MPH on NTSC at the Grand Valley Start/Finish line - which is quite a bit.
 
2078TM
6 MPH behind Toronado's '03 Pesky, not to mention the speeds I have not posted for other cars that I can't even get over 300MPH. So it may be game versions to blame or just that the particular sweet spot for that car is elusive.
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If its any explanation, that Pesky was given, being quite literal, months of effort to muster that up (and 3 different Peskys), and I can say with confidence that I don't really think it can be made to go any faster. It also explains why my '04 speed was, at least by the numbers on the board, rather lackluster.
MasterStorm
I was then a little surprised when I saw that it had already broken 300mph. That speed was done by Toronado, who runs the NTSC version.
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That's odd. I don't remember any particular trouble with the Oreca, either. It was actually fairly easy, after I transferred my settings from the GTS to the Oreca.



This discussion has peaked my interest. I have a suggestion: Stage 4 the Chappy, take off the aids and soften the spring rates, make the gears suitable, but leave everything else stock, then B-Spec it. That would be able to determine just how far off the speeds may or may not be.
However, something of note has peacked my interest: DE himself holds the fastest Audi R8 speed, and he obviously owns the PAL version.
@ShadowDiabloS: Good luck with the Chappy.
 
Thanks, 2078TM, for the Viper numbers! It really would be best though to use a brand new GT One, not only because of possible horsepower loss but also because of chassis wear and tear (chassis refresh). I have no idea if chassis wear is a factor on Test Course but I wouldn't be surprised if it is, and it's certainly a factor elsewhere, like the Sarthe.

Here are the numbers for the GT One right off the showroom floor.
Horsepower on the Parts Change/Settings screen: 776
Tire type: R3/R3
Brake Controller: 3/3

Suspension defaults:
Spring rate: 14.8/14.8
Ride height: 80/80
Shock (bound): 8/8
Shock (rebound): 8/8
Camber angle: 2.0/1.0
Toe angle: 0/0
Stabilizers: 6/6

Transmission defaults:
1st: 3.244
2nd: 2.071
3rd: 1.465
4th: 1.090
5th: 0.854
6th: 0.705
Final: 3.769
Auto 17

Driving aids (ASM/TCS): 10/10/7

Downforce:
Front 63 (max)
Rear 88 (max)

LSD: 10/40/20
Weight: 0/0

To clear up a possible minor misunderstanding on the B-spec results, the 0 point driver's lap times were identical, lap for lap, with the 10000 pt driver's; he did not run off a string of times each identical to his own previous lap.

Dark Elite, I'd agree we should use a consistent driving line, and keeping the left wheels on the line sounds good to me.

Another note on driving style: Pedal to the metal from start of countdown to finish, full throttle launch. Admittedly this is not the fastest way but it is the most consistent and repeatable way, since it removes a driving variable.

We probably should go to stage 4 turbos but I'd like to hold off and see a PAL result with what we have first. When we do go to turbos, should we also change oil? The turbo can be unequipped if that's where further testing leads, but undoing an oil change costs 4.5 million.

As for 0-1000m tests, I agree with DE. If there turns out to be a difference between NTSC and PAL, then maybe we would want to try 1000m tests if we want to try and pin down just where the difference is.
 
BobK
but also because of chassis wear and tear (chassis refresh). I have no idea if chassis wear is a factor on Test Course but I wouldn't be surprised if it is, and it's certainly a factor elsewhere, like the Sarthe.
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Makes the car faster.
 
I had my old Team Oreca Viper still in my garage, so I gave it an oil change (wasn't needed, but I did it anyway) and changed the settings to Set C (which should be completely default). The car had about 17 miles of mileage on it, but that shouldn't be affecting the horsepower yet.

Speeds were 196.31mph, 196.50mph and 196.31mph in each of the 3 runs I did. This was with the PAL GT4, and Shows the viper to be almost 8mph slower in stock form than in the NTSC version. I'll get a fresh GT-One later on when I have the funds. 👍
 
Toronado
However, something of note has peacked my interest: DE himself holds the fastest Audi R8 speed, and he obviously owns the PAL version.
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Indeed, in that discussion, it was found that some cars are faster in PAL while others are in NTSC - and it seemed rather random. Or, the R8 is very close in terms of performance in the versions, and DEs setup/run was just very good...
 
Toronado
However, something of note has peacked my interest: DE himself holds the fastest Audi R8 speed, and he obviously owns the PAL version.
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I used to :)
SmuttneySpears was the first to get the R8 over 350mph, which I wasn't too content to sit and watch, so I took it back with 351.17mph. There's now three speeds above me, 355.48mph, 356.82mph and 357.42mph by Crimson, Sucahyo and Viper respectively.
This means that although I don't personally hold the record (maybe one day I'll go after it :)), it's still a PAL version that achieved the highest speed. In fact, it was verified by testing on my game too.
It's quite possible that the Audi is simply less susceptible to differences in the versions.

As far as I can see, giving the cars on test an oil change is better than not - it ensures that, if their oil is refreshed every few runs, they all have the same power as each other. Not changing the oil could mean that one of the cars loses power more than the others, for whatever reason. The distances of this test aren't going to be enough to cause permanent engine wear, so changing the oil from the start seems sensible. Anyone have anything to add to that? :)

DE
 
Dark Elite
As far as I can see, giving the cars on test an oil change is better than not - it ensures that, if their oil is refreshed every few runs, they all have the same power as each other. Not changing the oil could mean that one of the cars loses power more than the others, for whatever reason. The distances of this test aren't going to be enough to cause permanent engine wear, so changing the oil from the start seems sensible. Anyone have anything to add to that? :)

DE
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Aside from the accurate oilchange point, a chassis refresh also helps with high mileage vehicles. If one isn't applied, then the handling is affected & thus impeding on the vehicles' performance-potential.
 
Hi everyone,just got 294.76MPH out of my Audi R8 race car has anyone got any settings that will help me get to the magic 300MPH:)
 
hi everyone can you give me any settings for the Audi R8 sorry if something like this pops up from me again but im new to the whole web site and Ive been trying for 300MPH for at least 4 months. PLZ HELP lmao (I can safely say Im stuck!)
 
Results of my GT One test:

Car has 2880 miles, a cage, chassis refresh not needed and showed HP of 778/777/774 on the three runs (in a previous post I stated that it had 788, but that was a typo). The speeds were 236.74/237.34/236.67. At this level of performance handling is not an issue as it enters the tunnel at 236, loses about 1 MPH in the tunnel and then picks back up to 236/237.
 
hey Dark Elite you might have to add me to the 300MPH club-312.194MPH in my Audi R8! finnaly broke the 300MPH mark YES!
 
i actually got a suzuki cultus in gt2 to go up to 400.5 mph. but also i had to blame the escudo that my dad was driving.

i also got the 500r to go up to 310, the challenger 290, and the pajero mini 300. how? full mods on all, full downforce on 500r, back-high front-low on challenger, and pajero almost on the ground. my friends almost had seizures watchin the replays. photos will be posted later.

-Camaro SS
 
MasterStorm
I had my old Team Oreca Viper still in my garage, so I gave it an oil change (wasn't needed, but I did it anyway) and changed the settings to Set C (which should be completely default). The car had about 17 miles of mileage on it, but that shouldn't be affecting the horsepower yet.

Speeds were 196.31mph, 196.50mph and 196.31mph in each of the 3 runs I did. This was with the PAL GT4, and Shows the viper to be almost 8mph slower in stock form than in the NTSC version. I'll get a fresh GT-One later on when I have the funds. 👍
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Okay, so a PAL Viper will do 196.3 - 196.5 with an oil change and an NTSC Viper will do 204 without an oil change. I changed oil on my Viper (NTSC) and got 206.46, 206.48, 206.48. So it appears that the NTSC Viper is a full ten mph faster than the PAL version.

Incidentally when I'm done with a test session I reset the game instead of going back to the garage. This ensures that every session starts with a car with 0.0 miles on it.

+rep to 2078TM and MasterStorm for their efforts on this!

Still waiting for a time for a stock PAL GT-One.
 
BobK
+rep to 2078TM and MasterStorm for their efforts on this!
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Thankyou! 👍

BobK
Still waiting for a time for a stock PAL GT-One.
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I'll get that done tomorrow (technically today as it's 6am here). I would have done it today (technically yesterday), but I decided to finally pass mission 34 instead, and then started getting the remaining few golds I need for 100% completion. I also took some time to set a few standing kilometre sprint times.

If it's gear limited, I think the car may come out with similar speeds in both versions. It may be necessary to run with minimum final ratio or something so that the gears are open ended. :nervous:
 
I've just done some runs with a stock Toyota GT-One (TS020) in the Esso livery, with no oil change. On my PAL copy, the speeds were 228.07, 228.15 and 228.32mph. That makes it around 8mph slower than the NTSC version in totally stock form.

I'll point out that I did not hit the gear limiter in these runs, rather the car hit an aerodynamic/power wall and acceleration got ridiculously slow. :)
 
BobK, thanks for the rep

MS, for comparison's sake (and to see if there are gearing differences between versions - don't want to assume anything), my GT One top speed was at 7500 RPM (right where the red starts on the tach).
I thought this might have been gear limited as this is where the auto tranny shifts. To check this I ran three additional runs with manual transmission. One at default and one each at plus one and minus one on the auto slider and the top speeds were, if not identical, very, very close, indicating to me that it is power limited.
 
2078TM
MS, for comparison's sake (and to see if there are gearing differences between versions - don't want to assume anything), my GT One top speed was at 7500 RPM (right where the red starts on the tach).
I thought this might have been gear limited as this is where the auto tranny shifts. To check this I ran three additional runs with manual transmission. One at default and one each at plus one and minus one on the auto slider and the top speeds were, if not identical, very, very close, indicating to me that it is power limited.
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Running with auto at +/- here makes very little difference (about 0.5mph between the runs, so negligible), again indicating that it's not gear limited. On the stock gearing, the RPM needle wasn't very stable, but was jumping around between 7250 and 7500RPM. It was tending towards the lower end of that region though. 👍
 
Bentley Speed 8 349.90mph


I don't have equipment to make videos so I just aimed for 350mph. And once I saw 349.90 in my tv screen I ended my testing session. I think I could get some extra miles out of her. I really liked to work with this car, steady improvement all the time and nice handling too.
By the way, what is the fastest PAL version speed for Toyota GT-One? I bought it finally and gonna take it to test track some day. Before the monster Toyota I will try Audi R8.
 
ShadowDiabloS
By the way, what is the fastest PAL version speed for Toyota GT-One? I bought it finally and gonna take it to test track some day. Before the monster Toyota I will try Audi R8.
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The fastest PAL speed for the GT-One on the leader board is Holdenhsvgtsr's 349.85mph, although Octane_Booster's speed of 356.57mph might be the fastest as we do not know if it's PAL or NTSC. If I recall correctly, I've run 350+, but this speed is not on the leader board (nor can I remember the exact speed). 👍
 
The Bentley Speed 8 is given as a prize for winning the Vingt-Quatre Heures Du Mans on the older Sarthe circuit (which GT4 spews out to be 24hr de la Sarthe II), information which could be found by a quick search of the game guides on GTP.

Well done to H3dlund for getting into the Club, and ShadowDiabloS for a good shot at the fastest speed under 350mph :lol:

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