TOCA 3. you know. the ps2 version.

[Impreza04]

I'm on most nights usually racing around in the Clio rooms..

 

[franz]

hey MasterGT
I think I just met you in one of the 70's GT races
man ... you guys are too fast
did you guys adjust the setting all the times?

 

[MasterGT]

hey MasterGT
I think I just met you in one of the 70's GT races
man ... you guys are too fast
did you guys adjust the setting all the times?

Thank you, Franz! When do you think you met me in the 70's GT races?

I usually am only on-line for US PlayStation forum league practices and races (but I haven't entered a 70's GT race for a few weeks, when we raced Spa). Because of this, I usually know the current course and car well, which greatly helps performance.

This is a difficult car for many players and not a lot of players use them because they don't like them. This is an advantage for me in a mixed group, but I rarely win league competitions. Believe me, it's tough! I do adjust the cars and try to hang in with the "big boys & girl", though.

The cardinal on-line rule is: thou shalt not be slow!

💡 To help with your on-line performance, are you using ToCA 3 Tuning Sheets?

Cheers,

MasterGT

 

[Impreza04]

There are quite a few pages here for TOCA 3. Are people listing their on-line names? I'm dingulbury.

You..! The one person as well as Atacame who flies in Quali

 

[RSme]

Hey Impreza:tup:

Get that mic working yet?

It was fun racing with you guys. For some reason it appears all non-Brits have been kicked and banned from the CML forum and league.

Oh well; some notification of that would've been nice instead of just finding I couldn't log in or re-register.

 

[Danny]

Noob question here- is it possible to change the weather in simulation mode?

 

[MasterGT]

You can change the weather for some tracks. There is only one alternate weather, if a track has a choice (sunny, rainy, stormy). Most are sunny, but some Championships, such as the European V6 Championship, have more than half of its events with alternate weather. Others have no choice.

If you are using a DS2 controller, then use the Right-stick to toggle it.
If you use a wheel, it is controlled by the L1-R1 buttons (at least it is on mine).

Cheers,

MasterGT

 

[Kylehnat]

What's the difference between "rain" and "storm"? I don't see anything obvious.

 

[MasterGT]

To help hosts plan races easier and more efficiently, and to help players learn track layouts faster (the game only has a scrolling map), I have made a collection of all real track maps and all real track satellite images. More info is also being worked on.

It is a work-in-progress, so please forgive what is not compiled yet. As much as possible, only maps with value added content were used, if available. If you know of any better ones, please send me their URLs (don't post them here).

All Maps & Sat Images

Hopefully the bandwidth can withstand your hits on these images and files.
Please be gentle and use your own cache.

Cheers,

MasterGT

 

[Dave A]

I've still not completed any of the games modes, I'm further through World Tour than Pro Career but I've still got about 10 tiers to go, in Pro Career I've done bit's of a few but only completed oval racing since I figured I could do it pretty quick. I just don't spend that long on games these days even if I do like them a lot.

 

[franz]

I have been playing online for about a month
start to get familiar to the tracks and manage to win some races
but I am not too happy with the people who require headsets communication
first I don't speak fluent english and second I am not a FPS fan
they were just rude and I got kicked out so many times even wasn't my fault
so nice racers are hard to find

Another n00b questions:
Do you unlock anything in Pro Career mode?
how do you unlock bonus events?

 

[Danny]

L4S, it's worth getting to the end just for the last tier championship!

Williams F1 cars of different generations! (But no Walrus front ones)

 

[MasterGT]

I am not too happy with the people who require headsets communication first I don't speak fluent english and second I am not a FPS fan they were just rude and I got kicked out so many times even wasn't my fault so nice racers are hard to find

Another n00b questions:
Do you unlock anything in Pro Career mode?
how do you unlock bonus events?

Franz: it is very important to use microphones. If you can write English this well, we can understand your accent. 👍

If you get a headset, then I can lead to to some clean US and Australian players who also have a sense of humour.

You can buy good, stereo Logitech headsets for less than $10CDN, at electronic discounters here, so there is no excuse to not use chat. It is so much better to be mic-enabled, for everyone involved. In almost all cases of racing with someone without a mic that I have seen, they have caused problems, one way or another, even if they are excellent drivers (most are NOT good drivers). Good communication is key to good on-line racing because you can't look and see where everyone is, unfortunately.

Check out these simple ToCA 3 links to a few pages of basic game info, including how to open the Bonus Championships with Cups.

Cheers,

MasterGT

 

[MagpieRacer]

L4S, it's worth getting to the end just for the last tier championship!

Williams F1 cars of different generations! (But no Walrus front ones)

Also the last championship in the Pro career open wheel section but with a choice of what car you use

Franz: You can unlock the championships for use in single race and free run in pro career as well as earning cups by winning on normal and hard to unlock the bonus championships, also setting the fastest laps in time trial gets cups as well.

 

[amp88]

Franz: it is very important to use microphones. If you can write English this well, we can understand your accent. 👍

If you get a headset, then I can lead to to some clean US and Australian players who also have a sense of humour.

You can buy good, stereo Logitech headsets for less than $10CDN, at electronic discounters here, so there is no excuse to not use chat. It is so much better to be mic-enabled, for everyone involved. In almost all cases of racing with someone without a mic that I have seen, they have caused problems, one way or another, even if they are excellent drivers (most are NOT good drivers). Good communication is key to good on-line racing because you can't look and see where everyone is, unfortunately.

I've got to say not only do I think that's incredibly discriminatory ("get a mic or don't race here"), but just because someone can type English doesn't mean they can speak it by any means. Perhaps the racing is improved with mics, but at the end of the day, if you need people to tell you not to move across infront of them or that you're on their inside then one (or both) of you are not very aware of your surroundings. With reasonable drivers who pay attention to what's going on alongside and behind them there's no need for mics or communication like that. If I was driving and someone shouts at me that they're going to overtake me on the inside and tells me not to close the door I know I'm going to close it before they get through. Communicating with your rivals what you're going to do is, IMHO, a very silly thing to do indeed. Learn to know your surroundings better and there's no need for mic comms.

I can see your point with regards to humour, but at the end of the day I'm online to race, not to crack jokes.

edit: Corrected the last sentence.

 

[Dave A]

I agree with amp, also I speak English well, well I speak Manc well, but I rarely use headsets, not even on the XB360. I just don't want to talk to people when all I wan to do is race. Sounds rude, but most of the time the people your playing against are kids, I'm only there to race. Telling someone they need a mic to join in is very wrong.

 

[MasterGT]

Many leagues are mic-only, and for good reason. It is not done out of spite or malice, just common-sense, efficiency and practicality.

A main reason is that many players use the no-mic excuse for bad behaviour. They will purposely use it to cause problems.

A few people talk too much and they don't usually last too long in our non-league rooms. It is very disruptive.

I have yet to hear anyone with a mic that I cannot understand or interpret their words, in English and even a few other languages. The language barrier is not a valid excuse to avoid using a mic. If you don't speak English, then at least you can talk with players from your homeland, in your own language.

The view provided by the game can be narrow enough that you cannot always see where other players are. I use the inside-the-car view and it has the narrowest view angles of them all. I cannot tell where someone is if they are beside me or slightly behind me. A slight move by me may needlessly take myself or both of us out. I might be able to use a 3rd-person view on an oval, but I haven't tried yet. In the meantime, voice helps.

Wrecks ahead of you can approach extremely fast. If you hear chatter of a wreck, you can save the day by taking action to avoid it. I have andso can you. Pros use spotters and this is your equivalent to them. I've been turned turtle on the start-finish line through a fault in the game and it's easy to warn people of that kind of danger. There is no time to go to chat, type in a warning "Hey, I'm upside down on the start-finish line!", then have someone leave the race and go read it. Boom! By that time, two or more cars are damaged.

I race with a group and rarely go on-line looking for other players. I just don't have that kind of time or desire. I know these drivers and they know me. We are quiet during races and are annoyed at useless chatter during races, but it is also much faster to say a few words than to have to type it in through the chat window. If you are planning a quick race, you need to talk, you won't want to type, since it takes so long.

You can be discussing set-ups, in the set-up area, and not have to leave to got to the chat room to type. That's a huge waste of time!

There are fun team events that require communication between team members. We're not the only group the plays in teams.

In a league race, not passworded (GameSpy password system doesn't always work well), you can quickly and politely ask someone to leave. If you type in the chat room, you don't know if they have read what you wrote or are just ignoring you.

If you don't want to talk during a race, you don't have to, but there are enough advantages of being able to use voice that they far out-weigh not having a mic.

Cheers,

MasterGT

 

[KSaiyu]

I've got to say not only do I think that's incredibly discriminatory ("get a mic or don't race here"), but just because someone can type English doesn't mean they can speak it by any means. Perhaps the racing is improved with mics, but at the end of the day, if you need people to tell you not to move across infront of them or that you're on their inside then one (or both) of you are not very aware of your surroundings. With reasonable drivers who pay attention to what's going on alongside and behind them there's no need for mics or communication like that. If I was driving and someone shouts at me that they're going to overtake me on the inside and tells me not to close the door I know I'm going to close it before they get through. Communicating with your rivals what you're going to do is, IMHO, a very silly thing to do indeed. Learn to know your surroundings better and there's no need for mic comms.

The problem is that it's impossible to know where someone is a lot of the time when you're in a close race, and in league racing the fact that most of us use the cockpit view makes it harder to judge. We need people to say if there on the inside, outside or middle or if were clear to use all the track. It's not through lack of awareness on the drivers part, it's the fact that all the views don't give a clean look at the person right next to you or behind you (and this is especially important in open wheel racing).

 

[Dave A]

You can look left and right in most games and use you rear view mirror and side mirrors. That is still no reason to not allow somone to join in if they don't have a headset, I get on just fine racing without one online and offline, and I rarely cause crashes. If in doubt I always give the other racer room. All you need to be, is conscouse of the space around you. Also it's the driver that's behinds responsiblity to make sure he makes his move when it's safe to do so. And the driver behind has a very good view. I never use a headset, I never will, I have better people to race against than people that demand I use a headset.

 

[MasterGT]

You can look left and right in most games and use you rear view mirror and side mirrors. That is still no reason to not allow somone to join in if they don't have a headset, I get on just fine racing without one online and offline, and I rarely cause crashes. If in doubt I always give the other racer room. All you need to be, is conscouse of the space around you. Also it's the driver that's behinds responsiblity to make sure he makes his move when it's safe to do so. And the driver behind has a very good view. I never use a headset, I never will, I have better people to race against than people that demand I use a headset.

You are different than most random players I've come across. You have a version of the game that has side-view mirrors, too. I want one of those!

Looking to the sides only shows a forward view, not like GT which shows a 90* view. That creates a huge blindspot. My rear-view mirror doesn't do a lot, either, but at least I use it to see where the blobs of colour of the trailing car are, if it shows them out of the blindspots.

It's not about us not driving well. It's about people not being responsible players. If you don't find them, then all I can say is you have been very, very lucky.

"Better people"? Tsk tsk! You've been given a number of valid reasons to use a headset. If you don't want one, fine, that's your deal. Some league play requires it, so I guess you won't be in a league.

Cheers,

MasterGT

 

[Dave A]

All I can say is none of that was an issue before headsets became widely avaiable, it's funny how it's just suddenly become one now. Like you said, it's about being responsable players, it doesn't matter if you have a headset or not, that doesn't make you responsible, it doesn't make you a better person to race against. I know who I like to race against, and they race fair and good and no-one has ever had any issues from them about not using a head set. No I won't be in aleague, is that because I can't be, no it's because I wouldn't chose to be, I race what I want, when I want, where want. Being in a league is of no concern to me. But there are plenty of leagues that don't require a headset. Personally, I see it as being a bit of a case of internet snobbery, a race doesn't turn into a demolition match when people don't have them, it does when people arn't responsible or don't know how to race, neither of which are things a headset will change.

 

[KSaiyu]

Looking to the sides only shows a forward view, not like GT which shows a 90* view. That creates a huge blindspot. My rear-view mirror doesn't do a lot, either, but at least I use it to see where the blobs of colour of the trailing car are, if it shows them out of the blindspots.

Summed up the problem right there, that blindspot is where 99% of collisions in close racing is caused. An example of why headsets are madatory in our league racing (and we all know and trust each others driving, these aren't new guys to the game): I was 2nd at Brands hatch indy and tried overtaking going into the last corner, the guy in first defended, we both lost time subsequently and I could see the third place driver gaining. Now I focused on the exit of the corner and couldn't see the third place guy anymore. He shouted out "in the middle", so we were both aware that we had to give space going into Paddock Hill since we were going three-abreast. Had he not had a headset, the 2nd place driver and I would probably not know he was right there and still have been battling for position going into Paddock.

That's just one instance out of many that can save accidents and consequently give cleaner close racing.

 

[MasterGT]

Personally, I see it as being a bit of a case of internet snobbery

Obviously. It isn't, for the reasons stated above, but you won't see that.

There is no downside to using a headset.
There are a number of downsides to not using one.

Cheers,

 

[Dave A]

I see the advantage of a head set if your racing against people that don't know how to race, but then they probalby won't use the headset for much usefull either. Also none of thoes problems existedamongst the better groups of racers before headsets came into play and they arn't problems I encouter when racing online with good racers, some of which don't use headsets either. You talk about knowing how each other race, great, but you'll never know if the guy you just didn't let in would have been a great guy to race against too because of some stupid rule about having to talk to each other. The advantage of using a headset is you can chat, you can insult and you can tell people your next to them, but anyone with half a brain will already know that a car is next to them. The advatage is there sure, I see that, but it's so small it doesn't out weigh the pain of having to listen to anally retentive 13 year old and the like spouting off. What your doing b telling people to get lost if they don't have a headset, is probalby excluding some of the better, and in a lot of cases, older people from joining in. Like I said, I've got better people to race against.

The people I race with all know that when your racing abreast of another person or two you don't change position until you can see them. You don't need a headset to apply that line of thinking, and if you don't know when your racing alongside someone, your not looking at the screen because it's not hard to work out where that person that was in your rear view mirror has dissapeared to.

I was 2nd at Brands hatch indy and tried overtaking going into the last corner, the guy in first defended, we both lost time subsequently and I could see the third place driver gaining. Now I focused on the exit of the corner and couldn't see the third place guy anymore. He shouted out "in the middle", so we were both aware that we had to give space going into Paddock Hill since we were going three-abreast. Had he not had a headset, the 2nd place driver and I would probably not know he was right there and still have been battling for position going into Paddock.

Right, so iyour telling me, if he hadn't said that, despite you not being able to see him, you would have changed position on the track. That would make any crash your fault, you should automatically know that you don't do that. If that's the best example of why a headset is needed to race well then I'm sorry but your flat on your face. I'll admit that a headset can help, but it is not needed to have a good, proper race and to know where your opponents are.

 

[MasterGT]

I see the advantage of a head set if your racing against people that don't know how to race, but then they probalby won't use the headset for much usefull either. Also none of thoes problems existedamongst the better groups of racers before headsets came into play and they arn't problems I encouter when racing online with good racers, some of which don't use headsets either. You talk about knowing how each other race, great, but you'll never know if the guy you just didn't let in would have been a great guy to race against too because of some stupid rule about having to talk to each other. The advantage of using a headset is you can chat, you can insult and you can tell people your next to them, but anyone with half a brain will already know that a car is next to them. The advatage is there sure, I see that, but it's so small it doesn't out weigh the pain of having to listen to anally retentive 13 year old and the like spouting off. What your doing b telling people to get lost if they don't have a headset, is probalby excluding some of the better, and in a lot of cases, older people from joining in. Like I said, I've got better people to race against.

So, you more worried about insults than anything, by the sounds of things. That's what host controls, or even a mute switch, are for. I've never had to use the mute switch and only rarely was censoring ever necessary. I also see a bit of reverse discrimination in what you're trying to say. You're trying to cut others up for using a mic and you don't. Sure you can get away with not using one, but that is like a typist saying a PC isn't necessary to type a letter. It isn't, but it sure has other good uses. Headsets are of more use than just for "chatting", but you don't give any credit to that, you're worried about abusive teens.

Most of the players I've raced with are adults, so bad personal habits are not likely to ever be a problem, and by older we're talking 30, 40 or, in some of our cases, more, including me.

Good driving is not a problem, either. We know how to drive, some are incredibely good; we just find it more comfortable and more efficient to use voice. We are finding more players who like how we do things, too, so finding new players, whatever their abilities, is not likely to be a problem, either. You can't race everyone. I rarely finish first, so I will always have someone in front of me. I don't need to find more people to beat me.

Look. You are not going to convince anyone who has a headset to give them up. They work, they do their job well. It seems unlikely, but if you ever get one, you are unlikely to give it up, once you've gotten used to it. If you don't get one, let the silence rein.

Cheers,

MasterGT

 

[Dave A]

Not worried, I just don't want to hear any, nor do I want to listen to or converse with a group of kids. I'm not trying to say theres anything wrong with using a mic, and I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone to give them up, meerely pointing out that not letting anyone who doesn't have one race against you is stupid. And as I said, I do see a benefit of them for racing, but if your racing aginst a good group of people who know how to race, they arn't needed to avoid crashes.

 

[KSaiyu]

Right, so iyour telling me, if he hadn't said that, despite you not being able to see him, you would have changed position on the track. That would make any crash your fault, you should automatically know that you don't do that. If that's the best example of why a headset is needed to race well then I'm sorry but your flat on your face. I'll admit that a headset can help, but it is not needed to have a good, proper race and to know where your opponents are.

Yes, if he hadn't said that I would have gone to the inside on the pit straight as close to the guy in first as I could have, and the guy in 1st would have tried to go outside for a line into paddock hill. In real life we would have seen the 3rd place driver because of the mirrors, but we can't see because of that BLIND spot, therefore we need to know where he is from him shouting out. It doesn't matter how good a racer you are (and we do have at least 2 of the best drivers in the game), you can't see in that blind spot, and you need a bit of help from the other driver.

 

[Dave A]

Well if you need tobe told somone is there and you can't work it out for yourself then I'm sorry, but your problem, I have no issues with being able to work out when anoher racer has driven up along side me mirrors or no mirrors. I still think it's a incredibly petty and stupid to tell somone they can't join in becuse they don't have a headset. Like I said, there are benefits of using a headset, but a good racer will be able to use common sense to work out that that guy behing who was gaiing on him has now ended up along side him just as well. The fact it's a blind spot doesn't mean you can't work out where they are. Anyway, you keep your opinion and I'll keep mine because this is dragging on.

 

[KSaiyu]

The fact it's a blind spot doesn't mean you can't work out where they are.

Then how can I know where someone is if they're in that blind spot?? It's alright if they're in view either to the side or directly behind, but when you can't hear them (highly possible since the sound isn't that great when there are 2 cars nearby) and can't see them, how the HELL are you supposed to know if they're still there? BTW, the least we ask for is the ability for the person to hear, we don't need someone to actually be able to talk through the mic so they can at least hear our calls, although obviously it is preffered for league races

 

[ozyran]

Wow, this game may very well replace Gran Turismo 4 as my favorite racing game, after first glance. I'm going to have to rent this one the next chance I get. However, I'm not going to make any calls until I rent it. GT4 set a high standard, and even with all the depth to this game it might well still be lacking. I'll review this one later.