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Toyota Petrol Hybrid LMP1 to Lemans and WEC (Its Official)
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Yes. Saddest part is that standard ECU is the only proper way to forbid TC (see: F1 in the 2000s) and it's probably out of the question in LMPs with so many different engines...They allow TC for LMP cars?????
They dont allow it for any other type of professional racing...
Well they allow it for GT3 but that is not professional racing... more like semi-pro amateur...
TC was allowed in FIA GT until they started using stardard ECU in 2010.
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- gdwest1
It's like they rummaged around in a WEC parts bin. A little Peugeot on the front, and some Audi on the Top, back, and sides.
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After the departure of Peugeot it looks like Toyota are taking their place but can they live up to Peugeot and their own history? Im not to sure.
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For all we know, Toyota might have been taking notes of everything (including the regs) for the past few years and may be the next big rival to Audi. Certainly woudn't be the first time they've come to Le Mans fast right off the bat and it also wouldn't be the first time that they cleverly bent the rules in their favor.
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That pic really makes me sad, the 908 is such a beautiful car. The first race car which looks good with a shark fin and not bulky like the R18/TS030.
They lost the race last season in the pits (and because of the safety car coming out after the horrible crash at night), the car was good enough to win.
I wonder how much Toyotas F1 expierence will help them at LeMans.
Edit: You guys now the Skyrim theme song? I changed it a bit, hope you Toyota fans like it:
TS030, TS030
by its batteries is sworn
To keep evil Audis forever behind!
And the diesel cars rout when they hear the mighty engine roar, TS030, for your victory we pray!
Hearken now, sons of petrol, to an age, long ago, and the tale, boldly told, of the one!
Who was kin to both internal combustion, and electro magnetisim, with a power to rival the Audis! And the engine sound, it produced, on that glorious track, when the 24 hours started!
Mighty engine roar, like a wave, dominated the opponents ones, as the TS030 fired up its engine!
And the bookmakers have foretold, of silver wings in the early morning, that when rivals wage war come unfurled!
Audi Motorsport Gmbh, Bane of Motorsport and good racing, ancient manufacturer unbound, with a hunger to swallow all the money in the world!
But a day, shall arise, when the dark manufacturers evil marketing voices, will be silenced forever and then!
Fair LeMans will be free from foul Audi's maw, TS030 be the savior of men!
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Toyota will not appear at Spa, after a testing crash damaged the TS030 beyond repair:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98697
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98697
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- Furinkazen_54
Le Mans as a debut... thats pressure.
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From that angle, the Audi looks mean, the Toyota looks like a toddler. Still want Toyota to wipe the floor with them though.
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I'd imagine very little. Since they cancelled their F1 program at the end of 2009, a majority of the staff at Cologne will have no doubt looked for jobs elsewhere. Any experience gained will have dissipated away along with it's staff.
However, since Peugeot have cancelled their project, i wouldn't be surprised if some of their key staff members have joined Toyota. So any knowledge they have of running at Le Mans will be added to the mix.
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No Toyota at Spa....
wouldn't you think they have made spare Monoques for things like this?
wouldn't you think they have made spare Monoques for things like this?
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Dang, i've waited to see the race in Spa but now i've to wait until Le Mans!
No race data but more to testing, i doubt the Toyota can be on the podium. (ﾉ °益°)ﾉ 彡 ┻━┻
Somehow, the Audi looks like ogre and the Toyota looks like elf or tengu.
Guess i'd play enough rpg game.
No race data but more to testing, i doubt the Toyota can be on the podium. (ﾉ °益°)ﾉ 彡 ┻━┻
Somehow, the Audi looks like ogre and the Toyota looks like elf or tengu.
Guess i'd play enough rpg game.
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- gtone339
No Toyota at Spa....
How disappointing for their debut.
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Remember that Toyota never planned to do much at all this year and were originally treating it as a test/development season. Its only because of Peugeot's withdrawal that they agreed with the ACO/FIA to step up and run a second car.
So actually I don't really think its surprising, Toyota haven't exactly had a lot of lead time to construct a second chassis and they clearly didn't want to in the first place. Suggests to me they are trying to run this year on a restricted budget purely to develop the car.
I mean, it says it all really that Oreca were contracted to run the cars - if Toyota were putting their full backing behind this car, why not just run it themselves - TMG is surely still big enough to run it or if not hire the people needed?
Toyota are spending the cash on the engine and electrics as well as the aero but then leaving the rest (construction and physical running of the cars) to Oreca. Thats how it appears to me. Nothing wrong with that of course, seeing as Audi are really just a Dallara + Joest partnership. But its not like Toyota are putting their full weight behind this and running the entire thing themselves like they did in the 90s.
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The one thing that I'm going to follow with this program is if Toyota will actually succeed with this car, or fail on a global stage as Toyota has done a number of times. I think back to them just being not good enough to win. I want Toyota to succeed. However, you look at the Toyota GT-One and the Toyota F1 team as two examples of them just not being good enough to win despite all their money.
Again- I want Toyota to succeed. My only concern is if they can actually emerge apart from their past failures on the world stage of racing.
Again- I want Toyota to succeed. My only concern is if they can actually emerge apart from their past failures on the world stage of racing.
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- gdwest1
Debut at Le Mans? Sounds awfully AMR-One to me... And we know how well they did.
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- gtone339
Yep, if Toyota turns out like Aston then yeah they surely. 👎
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I don't think it will. The problem with the AMR-One was that it was basically a submarine on wheels. The TS030 doesn't appear to have that problem. And even if it did, debuting at Spa instead of Le Mans would not make any difference - there is no way Toyota would be about to sort out the critical flaws in the design in six weeks.
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Except Toyota have essentially been forced into this situation. The car doesn't have any apparent flaws unlike the AMR-One.
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- gdwest1
Fair enough. I still don't believe they will be wholly successful. Granted, they weren't meant to be.
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I hope they will be. I want Davidson to get some good finishes in this year.
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As long as he doesn't run over a Corvette again, if so then I will crap talk Davidson to the ends of the earth (like he'd care
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