Update 2.10 - Major PP changes

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Still trying to figure how the C5 Z06 is now 23 PP points below the '10 Camaro SS.

My head is now bleeding from all the head scratching.
 
Still trying to figure how the C5 Z06 is now 23 PP points below the '10 Camaro SS.

My head is now bleeding from all the head scratching.

Sounds like you're expecting this to somehow make sense....don't forget you're dealing with PD.:dunce:
 
Can't remember for sure what a fully tuned Calaway was before the update but I think it was near 600PP
However, after update engine +3 Weight +3 and fully tuned without aero the
PP is 516 with 752 hp
When you run it in the 620PP Supercar Festival Eifel you can win fairly easily taking the lead on lap 5 and earn A Performance Difference Adjustment 1,451,008 -- Total Credits earned 1 race 2,148,608
 
My 2-penneth. I like the new changes.. they mix up the grids. Ideally they should do this every month or so. Ponder on that a while before you dismiss it.

All things being equal, I have heard talk of power to weight ratios, tyre selection , aerodynamics, but there is one thing I haven't seen in this tome of knowledge. If an FR car now has an advantage over a MR or RR or 4WD, in a race which uses tyre degradation do the the FR tyres wear out faster than the other cars?

If tyre wear is not a factor in the PP (which they aren't) then how would you balance this out ?

BTW what did the changes do to the 2J? (I've never had one so can't check)
 
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If an FR car now has an advantage over a MR or RR or 4WD, in a race which uses tyre degradation do the the FR tyres wear out faster than the other cars?

I'd be surprised if they did. I'd expect the wear of FR, MR, and RR to all be similar, as they're all putting the drive torque through the same wheels. I'd expect some differences with FF and with 4WD.
 
...there is one thing I haven't seen in this tome of knowledge. If an FR car now has an advantage over a MR or RR or 4WD, in a race which uses tyre degradation do the the FR tyres wear out faster than the other cars?

If tyre wear is not a factor in the PP (which they aren't) then how would you balance this out ?

Keepin it simple. Same tire compound, same rate of tire wear. Like MrWednesday said, you shouldn't notice much of any difference between FR, MR, and RR unless someone has a drastically different weight balance or is purposely cooking their tires. That said, FRs keep their "advantage" of extra hp. It cannot be balanced.
 
I hear you there. Where some cars seemed to give a handicap effect before, now we have undeniable cheat cars for those who know how to tune and drive. My pride as a fair driver keeps me from joining FR rooms now, so I hang out with clean drivers in one-drivetrain lobbies. Some of us are doing 4wd tuning/racing this month @ 500pp, pulling cars such as the TTCoupe'07, EvoX, R32s, and Celica GT4s and getting lap times equal to that of the well balanced GTRs and Imprezas. Tuning a car's handling and power curve for clean, close racing with difficult cars was and is so much more challenging and rewarding than how 2.10 just gives away pp to aid.

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Keepin it simple. Same tire compound, same rate of tire wear. Like MrWednesday said, you shouldn't notice much of any difference between FR, MR, and RR unless someone has a drastically different weight balance or is purposely cooking their tires.

Unless something is drastically changed in the last update which I'm not aware of, there can be a huge difference in tyre wear depending on which car and which set up you use (nevermind the huge factor of driving style), it isn't simply a case of same compound, same degree of wear.
 
Unless something is drastically changed in the last update which I'm not aware of, there can be a huge difference in tyre wear depending on which car and which set up you use (nevermind the huge factor of driving style), it isn't simply a case of same compound, same degree of wear.
Perhaps i was playing it a bit too simple. I would say that a person would tune a car to their driving style yes, and that those two are big factors whether or not a person likes pushing their tires to an extreme. Tho in my opinion if the cars are around the same weight with similar balance I don't recall select cars burning through tires far more than others. Obviously a Jaguar will burn through tires faster than a Lotus, but that's a weight issue. Heavier cars will require more out of the tires and torque monsters like Mercedes or Saleen S7 will have to be feathered, but even those things can be remedied in suspension or torque tuning. I've never noticed "huge" differences between cars, and I usually ask friends in longer races how their tires are doing just for the reason of comparing rate of wear. But hey, that's just my opinion. :sly:

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Perhaps i was playing it a bit too simple. I would say that a person would tune a car to their driving style yes, and that those two are big factors whether or not a person likes pushing their tires to an extreme. Tho in my opinion if the cars are around the same weight with similar balance I don't recall select cars burning through tires far more than others. Obviously a Jaguar will burn through tires faster than a Lotus, but that's a weight issue. Heavier cars will require more out of the tires and torque monsters like Mercedes or Saleen S7 will have to be feathered, but even those things can be remedied in suspension or torque tuning. I've never noticed "huge" differences between cars, and I usually ask friends in longer races how their tires are doing just for the reason of comparing rate of wear. But hey, that's just my opinion. :sly:

Obviously everything can be balanced out and altered if you choose to and a lot of similar cars have similar tyre wear, but that doesn't change the fact the same compound doesn't wear the same for all cars which was my main point.
 
I agree, they do not wear the same. But I think that the rates are more similar than they are different. I see the difference, I just don't see a huge difference. Nothing that would affect a standard 4-8 lap race on SS at least.
 
I know I said I wasn't going to post in this thread but I must share this.

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Take a look at the numbers.
 
My whole point from the begging. You should always do research before you claim something.
 
Still not getting what your point is or what you try to say with those pictures, that the numbers are similar or something? And what does that prove exactly?
 
My whole point from the begging. You should always do research before you claim something.

Um... so your grand research consists of looking at the car's specs in game and seeing that they are the same as the car's specs in a magazine test (except they aren't even that, because the Aventador is several hundred pounds underweight in GT5 which your picture doesn't even show)?
 
Let me rephrase that.

The Performance Points system is not broke; it does not need to be reverted back to the 2.06 system pp system. It will continue on the current path. Yes this is JUST ONE CAR though how can this one car be this close? The only logical reasoning is that the pp system is working fully or somewhat properly.

You won’t know until you've done research.
 
My research is my own testing, compiling and comparing information that testing with other outlets of research and information. Like I stated so my times and I will again, The PP system is not broke, the only trouble is the way some of you have been building your cars. Face it, it's a fact deal with it.

To get proper racing though out all the cars you must properly build the cars. If not you'll get what is being spoke of. Banded cars from rooms, one make, one drive train and so on.

Again don't claim something is broke or not working right until you've done research. I'm doing mine, the pp system is right where it need to be.
 
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Sorry but that makes absolutely zero sense. The PP is determined from the performance figures, not the other way around.
 
You've lost it completely I'm afraid.

Performance figures aren't the same as Performance Points, ofcourse the performance figures ingame are (for the most part at least, some are wrong) going to be similar or, even better, exactly the same as their real life counterparts.
That doesn't mean the PP which PD calculates taking into account those figures is automatically going to be accurate as a result, that depends on the formula or criteria they're using.
 
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How can I put this in laymen’s terms?

Better understand cars.

There are too many facts punching you right in the proverbial face, which is very surprising me and may to others. Everything is down to numbers and the numbers are there.
 
How can I put this in laymen’s terms?

Better understand cars.

There are too many facts punching you right in the proverbial face, which is very surprising me and may to others. Everything is down to numbers and the numbers are there.
Stock displacement, power and torque? How many cars do not have the correct stock engine numbers (or at least nearly)? Not many...
 
Perhaps it's the one single hp more, which the real car does have.

;)
 
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How can I put this in laymen’s terms?

"I have no idea what I'm talking about and clearly haven't since I opened my mouth for the first time in this thread" would be how to do it.


The PP system doesn't calculate the car stats. How could anyone think something so ridiculous as that when the PP system wasn't even there when the game first came out? Did the Chapparal 2J get faster when PD added 30 PP to it? Did every car in the game get a few dozen PP slower when PD removed tires from the calculations?
 
I found it:
As they call it Lucky number “7” though as was looking through my favorite auto magazines I came across total of 20 cars for the FIRST mag challenge, but first let me share with you what I found very interesting. Going through the first few issues of a magazine that I’ll title “MT” I came across the first to car for the MAG challenge. The beast of the bulls in GT5, AVENTADOR LP 700-4 2011/2012 which seats at 690hp/8250rpm 509.19ft-lb/5500rpm. MT has the 700-4 rated at 691hp/509ft-lb. Here are some photo’s to share what I found, surprising. With this I believe the Performance Points system is almost done, even though this is just one car it’s the first of many to be compared.


Note some cars will be broken in with no oil change to see how close the numbers are and other will be tuned to or close to without being detuned. Now to the cars, let continue with MT.
(MT)

..snip...

Each car will be broken in before any tuning parts are added to log all numbers. As the cars got through a step tuned hp/ft-lb/weight and pp will be logged for each install to see what are advantages and disadvantages of that part. As testing goes on tunes and information will be posted.
 
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