The thing is that you masters have already learned old "on ice" physics the hard way and now they took your toys and you are angry. I can understand that, but I love the new physics after update and think it's more realistic, because very fast cars before update were just undrivable and driving them was almost five times more difficult than in real life. No fun, just fear (I have G25 and am really fan of simulation). But now the fear is gone and fun is here!
But, you see, that's the point. They were NOT undrivable, you just didn't practice enough.
I do agree that possibly things were a bit too difficult before the update. But, as I said somewhere above, it was only a little too difficult, and that was mostly because of hardware problems (pedals being too sensitive). I think most of the people here would be very, very surprised how quickly you can get to the limit of grip in a car, even with upgraded tires.
I humbly and with good intention (i.e. I am not trying to be insulting) suggest that anyone who thinks the old physics were like being "on ice" should go online and watch some racing videos. YouTube has lots of them. It is astounding how easily even full-blown race cars spin out. You can also get several years of LeMans videos at NetFlix.
Also, watch Top Gear and notice how even these semi-professional drivers mess up in the powerful super-cars they drive. Even the Stig gets it wrong sometimes. And, I bet they only show about 1 in 10 screw-ups (Clarkson spins a Zonda in the first episode of the new Top Gear if I remember correctly.)
Finally, go to a few Autocross events if you can find some nearby. Even drive in a few if you can. Don't worry about messing up your daily driver, you won't be driving that hard the first few times :-) If you have a local friendly sports-car club, they may run Autocross events you can easily enter at a very reasonable cost. I've been driving them for about 3 years now, so obviously I'm no expert. But I'm getting fairly good (and am now routinely beating some more powerful and better-handling cars). It isn't high-speed of course, but I tell you what you'll start to understand just how hard "real" racing must be. I know I said this elsewhere, but myself and another driver race basically stock VW bugs - the old ones! We have right around 47 horsepower! We have an engine in the back putting lots of force down on the rear tires! We can routinely spin-up the inside rear wheel in the tighter corners or even in the slaloms if we aren't careful. That's with 47 horses! You wouldn't believe how easily some of the powerful FR cars spin-out, even when they have special autocross tires (sticky even when cold because autocross events are too short to generate much tire heat).
Honestly, you're making exactly the same mistake I made when I started driving GT4. I thought it should be easy. But it isn't. Real racing is incredibly demanding and incredibly difficult to master. It is physically very demanding as well. Educate yourself a little about it and then judge which of the physics models is more accurate. Many of us here actually went out and educated ourselves about how to race better (books, videos etc.) in order to become good. Why? Because it is supposed to be a SIM. That's what it was, but now it isn't. It really does just feel like a game now, and that is a big big problem for many of us here.
And, yes, I think this update is making those of us who actually took the time to learn to drive well and properly quite angry. We're seeing drivers who honestly can't drive all the well become magically competitive. It used the be the case that many of the better drivers could get out front of the pack and then stay away from the drivers who otherwise ruin the races.
And again, that's the purpose of 2 physics modes. A "pro" mode for those who want a serious sim, and a "standard" mode for those who just want some casual racing fun and don't really care so much if it simulates real life. I think it is absolutely 100% fine to have a standard mode. I think it is 100% fine that many of you want to drive in that mode. But they should have
never reduced the difficulty of the Pro-mode this much, it simply doesn't feel realistic at all.
Maybe those of you who think it is great are correct. Maybe we just need to "get used to it". I sure hope so because right now I'm just not finding it to be much fun anymore. It's just too darn easy to drive the cars.
A final example: Yesterday I was running Fuji 750 for a bit. Before the update any interruption could have caused me to wreck. After-all I'm driving close to the edge most of the time. This is as it should be. If my daughter or wife even walked into the room it was sometimes enough to blow my concentration. After the update I was in the middle of a race and got a phone call. I said "what the heck" and answered it. I proceeded to remain in the middle of the pack having a conversation ON THE PHONE, while driving a Ford GT (road car) using my G25 with ONE HAND and reaching around to hit the paddle-shifter with the butt of the phone every time I needed to upshift. I didn't wreck once! IRL I would have been dead dead dead
No way is that a sim. It just isn't.
) we'll see a change in attitude when the online competition pushes car/tires/gamer to the limit.
) There's always a place near the limit where it's not easy.
If they only told us why they changed everything, im very sure this thread would have not been started.
