Vanquish vs. Viper

[Brett]

The Chevy website lists the Z06 at $52,235.

 

[Sominon]

Heh, no trust me compared to every other performance car the Z06 is the cheapest. The C5 isn't even far off from its numbers and it's 37k? Thats Seven thousand more the a convertible camaro.

I mean a 45 thousand dollar Z06, will match and outrun a 156k 360 Ferrari Modena. Do it all day as a matter of fact, and would destroy any other high performance sports car in any endurace race because well, look at the MPG that big 5.7 litre monster gets. 28 mpg highway? I know honda civics that don't get that.

^_^ Chevy pride.
(Until I get ahold of a Black WS6 in GT4, mmm)

 

[Sominon]

45k on Supercars.net

 

[Driftster]

ok 52,000 for .98 G's 400HP and a mid 12 second quarter mile.
or 35G's for .95 G's 400HP and mid 12 second 1/4 mile

 

[Brett]

Originally posted by Sominon
Heh, no trust me compared to every other performance car the Z06 is the cheapest. The C5 isn't even far off from its numbers and it's 37k? Thats Seven thousand more the a convertible camaro.

I mean a 45 thousand dollar Z06, will match and outrun a 156k 360 Ferrari Modena. Do it all day as a matter of fact, and would destroy any other high performance sports car in any endurace race because well, look at the MPG that big 5.7 litre monster gets. 28 mpg highway? I know honda civics that don't get that.

^_^ Chevy pride.
(Until I get ahold of a Black WS6 in GT4, mmm)

That is definitely the truth. Every magazine that has tested the Z06 says it is by far the best car you can get for the money. The only thing that it doesn't equal on the higher priced performance cars is interior. If GM put a touch more money into the car for the better interior, you wouldn't be able to find a better car for the money.

 

[Brett]

Originally posted by Driftster
ok 52,000 for .98 G's 400HP and a mid 12 second quarter mile.
or 35G's for .95 G's 400HP and mid 12 second 1/4 mile

So basically you are compared skidpad results and quarter mile times of the Z06 and the Cobra? The Cobra won't touch the Z06 on any road track. Plus honestly who would actually think the Cobra is a better looking car than the Z06? The Cobra also doesn't get any where near the fuel economy of the Z06 and it weighs a good 600lbs. more.

 

[Driftster]

Well the C5 has 100more lbs, 50 less HP and a second slower in the 1/4 mile. So I don't see how the numbers are close. Not to mention it only handles .93 G's which is .2 above a stock Honda civic.

 

[Brett]

Originally posted by Driftster
Well the C5 has 100more lbs, 50 less HP and a second slower in the 1/4 mile. So I don't see how the numbers are close. Not to mention it only handles .93 G's which is .2 above a stock Honda civic.

The C5 weighs a 100lbs more than the Cobra . . . I think not! It weighs about 450lbs less than the Cobra. I sure would like to know who got the Civic to pull a .91 G's on the skidpad because just looking at this Car and Driver I have handy, it shows the Civic only pulls .76 G's.

 

[Driftster]

No the C5 weights 100lbs more than the Z06 man...-.-;;;
And a stock Eg6 Civic HB run's .91G's
First what chassis civic is it and what model?

 

[Brett]

Originally posted by Driftster
No the C5 weights 100lbs more than the Z06 man...-.-;;;
And a stock Eg6 Civic HB run's .91G's
First what chassis civic is it and what model?

100 lbs is about right between the C5 and Z06. An EG Civic HB, what the crap is that? And I won't believe it until I see it, especially when it has the RSX Type-S FP listed as pulling .88 G's. The only one that is in here in an LX . . . I'm pretty sure that the base model Civic, why not compare base model to to base model Corvette? That's is only fair right?

 

[ving]

sincewhen was this thread about the z06?

 

[Brett]

Originally posted by ving
sincewhen was this thread about the z06?

Oh never! But I guess we kinda wandered off topic eh? Ooops, let's see. I'll take the Viper over the Vanquish, or should I take the Vanquish over the Viper? Oh I don't know now, I just confused myself.

Gosh, why do you have to be so mean about it?

 

[Driftster]

in real life, i'd take a Viper over the DB7, but any of the other Aston Martin's over the viper.

 

[Brett]

Originally posted by Driftster
in real life, i'd take a Viper over the DB7, but any of the other Aston Martin's over the viper.

To me, for pure performance I would take the Viper in real life. But if I want the most kick arse cruiser in the world, I would go with the Aston Martin's.

 

[Driftster]

I'm sory vash, but your OPINION...Is wrong... anywho, i guess if you wanna get jocked by the men, go for it.

 

[Brett]

Jocked? What the heck is jocked, are you making up words again? The reason I say this about the Viper and Aston Martin's though is because all Aston Martin are too bloody heavy. And plus you don't have much room to talk when you think there is a better car for performance for the money than the Z06.

 

[Driftster]

I'm sorry to use urban american terminology, but jocked means to be admired in a way. With a Viper you'll be surrounded by more guys than women, with a AM it'd be vice versa.

 

[Brett]

I don't think you are going to have a problem getting ladies in either car. So that's not a very good argument.

 

[shadow7001]

viper aston martins arn't that nice anyway

 

[Solid Lifters]

IRL it would be the Z06.

IGT3 it would be the Viper.(for me)

A good second choice IGT3 it would be the AM DB7, then the Vanquish.

Done.

 

[Sominon]

To whoever compared a slowbra and a vette. You understand that the slowbra is supercharged right.... A damn dohc V8 is supercharged and doesn't put forth even the quartermile numbers a vette does.

Btw an 03 Cobra is around 12.9 seconds, although some exceptional mid 12 runs have been made. Then again some exceptional 11.99 second runs have been made in a vette. Hmmm

 

[Driftster]

You're right, but the Cobra is also 4.6L the Corvette is 5.7L. The fact that it's force inducted doesn't change the fact that it's just as good of a car. And no the 03 cobra run's 12.6 in a strong headwind as tested by MM&FF

 

[Sominon]

It is a 4.6 DOHC, 32 Valve. If it was a standard 4.6 Litre pushrod, then it would be disadvantaged. Yes, a 12.6 with a professional driver? A Person that does that for a living and has done it nearly every day for years on end. That car in the hands of the general concensus is a High 12 second car. The Z06 vette is a mid twelve, Vettes have always been known for being easily driven by novice drivers and not requiring a professional driver to obtain maximum results.

 

[Driftster]

And the vette is also another 20,000 dollars!

 

[Sominon]

And outruns a 152 thousand dollar Ferarri modena, The Gt3 Porsche, Blows away the viper.

I'd say its effective cost wise.

Also, outside of a specially prepped selected drag strip, the 32 thousand dollar supercharged slowbra has trouble with a naturally aspirated Ls1, 315 hp. Which costs 26 thousand.

On a road course, the Slowbra gets left behind, it has to be the worst handeling IRS car I know.

 

[Brett]

So the only argument you can come up with is that it cost $20,000 more? Big deal, the Z06 can hold it's own with all of more exotic cars that cost $100,000 more . . . and I'm not talking on a drag strip because frankly the drap strip doesn't prove a whole lot. The Z06 out does the Cobra in everything and looks a heckuva lot better while doing it. I don't think someone who has the money to choose between the two cars is going to get a Cobra, unless they are just a diehard Mustang fan . . . and even then, you would be better off getting some other Mustang. Ford could have done so much better on the Cobra than what they did . . . a car weighing in at almost 3700 lbs. is nothing to be proud of. Just face the facts that the Z06 is by far the best bang for you buck . . . period. You will not find a car that it is it's price range and still have it's performance . . . period. And to you $54,000 for the Z06 is expensive, then what do you consider the Aston Martin Vanquish at $230,000??? Or the Viper at $80,000 . . . NSX at $90,000??? The original price of the McLaren F1 . . . $1,000,000??? See you sound like an idiot in the part of saying that the Z06 is expensive because when you compare to other supercars it is a whole lot cheaper. Yes though I will agree with you at the same time, it's still a good amount of money. But when you compare it to other cars that have the performance it achieves, you have to pay a whole lot freakin' more money.

 

[Brett]

Go Viper for this thread.

 

[BadBatsuMaru]

Originally posted by Driftster
Vash, i'd have to dissagree there man. You've completly left out the 03 SVT cobra. You've completly left out the 350Z, and same for the host of new cheaper cars out there.

What in God's name would make you bring up a Ford?

The 2003 SVT Mustang Cobra starts at $38,460 for a 4.6L 390HP suprcharged V-8 that weighs 3780 lbs.

The 2004 350Z is $33,850 for a 3.5L 287HP NA V-6 that weighs 3428 lbs.

The 2004 Z06 is $51,585 for a 5.7L 405HP NA V-8 that weighs 3116 lbs.

It's nice that Ford decided to make a good Mustang this year, but it's still huge. It's just not in the same class as Z06's, Vipers, and other things that are legitimate race cars. The 2001 Z06 only had 385 HP, but it actually got 350 HP at the wheels.

If you want a supercharger, you can get a Procharger D1SC installed on a Z06 for $8,495, which will make it produce 580 HP at the wheels without removing any emissions stuff.

If you want more NA power, it's really cheap to "Displacement Up" a Z06. You can just get a longer-stroke crankshaft and turn it into a 6.3L, or you can make it a 7.0L Lingenfelter with 530HP for $8,400, which is what the GTS Vettes are.

Just look at the GTS races this year. Both C5 Vettes have been in the top 3 in every race they've entered, and they got 1st and 2nd in the past two.

I mean, if we were strictly talking "bang for the buck" as far as raw horsepower per dollar, the best thing to get would be a used Camaro. But it was my impression that we were talking about cars that don't suck. The 350Z and SVT Cobra are a a really good deal, but when I think of bang for the buck, I think of a $50,000 car that beats a $90,000 Viper and a $150,000 Ferrari and has almost identical specs to the Ferrari. I don't think of a Ford that happens to have a supercharger.

 

[Brett]

Originally posted by BadBatsuMaru
What in God's name would make you bring up a Ford?

The 2003 SVT Mustang Cobra starts at $38,460 for a 4.6L 390HP suprcharged V-8 that weighs 3780 lbs.

The 2004 350Z is $33,850 for a 3.5L 287HP NA V-6 that weighs 3428 lbs.

The 2004 Z06 is $51,585 for a 5.7L 405HP NA V-8 that weighs 3116 lbs.

It's nice that Ford decided to make a good Mustang this year, but it's still huge. It's just not in the same class as Z06's, Vipers, and other things that are legitimate race cars. The 2001 Z06 only had 385 HP, but it actually got 350 HP at the wheels.

If you want a supercharger, you can get a Procharger D1SC installed on a Z06 for $8,495, which will make it produce 580 HP at the wheels without removing any emissions stuff.

If you want more NA power, it's really cheap to "Displacement Up" a Z06. You can just get a longer-stroke crankshaft and turn it into a 6.3L, or you can make it a 7.0L Lingenfelter with 530HP for $8,400, which is what the GTS Vettes are.

Just look at the GTS races this year. Both C5 Vettes have been in the top 3 in every race they've entered, and they got 1st and 2nd in the past two.

I mean, if we were strictly talking "bang for the buck" as far as raw horsepower per dollar, the best thing to get would be a used Camaro. But it was my impression that we were talking about cars that don't suck. The 350Z and SVT Cobra are a a really good deal, but when I think of bang for the buck, I think of a $50,000 car that beats a $90,000 Viper and a $150,000 Ferrari and has almost identical specs to the Ferrari. I don't think of a Ford that happens to have a supercharger.

I totally agree with you on this, you cannot find a better car for the money than the Z06 . . . period. I also agree that the 350Z and SVT Cobra are both good deals, but still neither one of them compares to what you get with the Z06. Let's not even talk the C5R Vettes . . . they have completely dominated the past two years, and for the most part have so far this year too.

 

[Driftster]

What in God's name would make you bring up a Ford?

The 2003 SVT Mustang Cobra starts at $38,460 for a 4.6L 390HP suprcharged V-8 that weighs 3780 lbs.

The 2004 350Z is $33,850 for a 3.5L 287HP NA V-6 that weighs 3428 lbs.

The 2004 Z06 is $51,585 for a 5.7L 405HP NA V-8 that weighs 3116 lbs.

It's nice that Ford decided to make a good Mustang this year, but it's still huge. It's just not in the same class as Z06's, Vipers, and other things that are legitimate race cars. The 2001 Z06 only had 385 HP, but it actually got 350 HP at the wheels.

If you want a supercharger, you can get a Procharger D1SC installed on a Z06 for $8,495, which will make it produce 580 HP at the wheels without removing any emissions stuff.

If you want more NA power, it's really cheap to "Displacement Up" a Z06. You can just get a longer-stroke crankshaft and turn it into a 6.3L, or you can make it a 7.0L Lingenfelter with 530HP for $8,400, which is what the GTS Vettes are.

Just look at the GTS races this year. Both C5 Vettes have been in the top 3 in every race they've entered, and they got 1st and 2nd in the past two.

I mean, if we were strictly talking "bang for the buck" as far as raw horsepower per dollar, the best thing to get would be a used Camaro. But it was my impression that we were talking about cars that don't suck. The 350Z and SVT Cobra are a a really good deal, but when I think of bang for the buck, I think of a $50,000 car that beats a $90,000 Viper and a $150,000 Ferrari and has almost identical specs to the Ferrari. I don't think of a Ford that happens to have a supercharger.

First the mustang STARTS at 34,000. 38,000 is for the convertable model.

Second, the whole idea of you ruling out the mustang simply because it's supercharged is rediculous, that's like ruling out the Bugatti EB110 because it's turbocharged. Ford decided to put a blower on it. Chevy didn't put a blower on the vette, and they could have. Their loss right?

You're right the 01 vette had about 385HP but i've seen more dyno's in the 330HP and 340TQ Area as apposed to 350.
The 04 Vette DOES have 405 rated HP, and makes about 350-60 to the ground, and that drivetrain loss is understandable with the vette's configuration. However the Mustang makes almost 370whp, and is rated at 390Hp. Now I'm not engineer, but I know that if you take 390HP ,send it through the tremec transmission, through the signature ford aluminum driveshaft, and through those 3.55:1 gears, you're going to get alot lower of a numver than 370whp. Which means in actualiy the cobra has HP in the area of 410-420HP. Yeah, in the 1/4 the Z06 would STILL probably win by a SLIGHT margain, but then again you're paying 20,000 dollars for that slight margain.
As far as you mentioning it being the WORSTE handling IRS car you've ever driven. IT's funny, because the 03 Cobra turns out better lap times than a 04 Subaru WRX STi, and you think that car handles well don't you? Of course you do, most people do!