Virgin Australia Supercars Championship - Archive

[Dustone]

This telecast is the worst, channel 10's telecast was so much better, where is the live timing ticker? where is all the additional information? this is 🤬

Agreed!! Channel 7 seem to like to focus only on the leaders! While I love seeing my driver Lowndesy out front I also wanted to see the mid-pack battles, find out how the Mercs and Nissans were going. Barely got to see any of that stuff!! All we got was Race Start - ad - Coulthard - ad - pitstops - ad - Lowndes in front - finish.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Typical propaganda from Holden. They like to make out that they somehow triumphed against the odds, but they have twice as many cars on the grid than anyone else, and throw money at teams like Triple Eight.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Typical propaganda from Holden. They like to make out that they somehow triumphed against the odds, but they have twice as many cars on the grid than anyone else, and throw money at teams like Triple Eight.

And??? If Holden are willing to invest in the sport unlike Ford for example why shouldn't they reap the rewards?

 

[phil bell]

I don't like the propaganda Holden use, but at the same time, I can never forgive Ford for leaving DJR for dead when they needed finance the most.

In fact look at DJR now, they're merely a shadow of what they once were, it saddens me.

Rant over.

 

[TDZdave]

Agreed, and good point, and totally agree, the oldest most loyal team loses funding, that's what I hated about the telecast, no one knew really who was in what car,

 

[prisonermonkeys]

If Holden are willing to invest in the sport unlike Ford for example why shouldn't they reap the rewards?

I'm not saying that they shouldn't reap the rewards - just that they shouldn't present themselves as having something of the same magnitude as Nissan or Mercedes winning on debut. Based on that advertisement, people who don't follow the sport could be forgiven for thinking that today's race was the very first one that Holden had entered.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Based on that advertisement, people who don't follow the sport could be forgiven for thinking that today's race was the very first one that Holden had entered.

Tell me where it says Holden wins on debut as looking at it it says VF Commodore.

We could do a poll on mumsnet if you want and post up the picture and ask them what they think when they see it, Do you think that Holden wins on its debut or VF Commodore wins on debut what do you think they would say

 

[evilserpentman]

Not surprised at the result to be honest.
People may of expected bigger things out of Nissan and Erebus, but the fact is they're running much newer hardware than the Holdens and Fords.
Triple 8 and FPR have probably had those cars running laps before the others were announced.
First race of a new era though, these things are to be expected.

Still, lacklustre race by all accounts. Liked Lowndes winning, didn't like Coulthard having his brake issues.

 

[Mic_Col]

Also too that Erebus had issue that put their build of the AMG behind schedule. Some hold up getting parts from Germany (I think it was something like that - I await a correction if I'm wrong)

So they were lucky to just be there. The Mercedes cars looked and sounded great.

Also, a little birdy told me that a top running team have identified an potential issue with the transaxle during their car build/development and that they have taken measures to implement a fix. They're now banking on other teams not having found this same issue.

 

[Wilbur]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttCcw2P0vVc

Nice little recap for HRT. I haven't really seen pictures or videos that show exactly how they sit but this sure makes them look very comfortable to sit in for sure but I believe it would be a tight fit for me.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Am I correct that the race tomorrow starts at 1am EST? Or am I off.

Here's the stream schedule for those of use in the US:

- Qualifying @ 4:30pm PST / 7:30pm EST
- Race #2 @ 8:00pm PST / 11:00pm EST

 

[magpie1997]

The race was rather boring due to no safety car if there was it could of changed the race

The issue we have at the moment that not only do Holden have more teams they have the better teams

About 1/2 of the field are Holden's
8/10 Holden's in top ten

 

[magic_town]

Seems weird that they are claiming the 'win on debut'. It was everybody's debut

 

[Wilbur]

Here's the stream schedule for those of use in the US:

- Qualifying @ 4:30pm PST / 7:30pm EST
- Race #2 @ 8:00pm PST / 11:00pm EST

Thanks, good thing I'm not supposed to know time differences!

 

[CodeRedR51]

I just use the world clock time zone converter. 👍

Although I learned something new with converting to the Adelaide time is that not all time zones convert their minutes directly over. For the longest time I thought the minutes were the same no matter where you were, it was just the hours that were different. Now I feel stupid.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Tell me where it says Holden wins on debut as looking at it it says VF Commodore.

The entry of Nissan and Mercedes has been widely-publicised. By saying that the VF won on debut, Holden are implying that they are in the same boat. While the VF model might be new, Holden themselves are not.

It's one of the first rules of marketing: if you can get an advantage by stating something true and letting your audience come to a conclusion that is better for you, do it. It's like milk in Australia. Woolworths are advertising that their milk is "permeate free", which it is. But it's also misleading, because it implies that other brands are using permeates, which they aren't - because permeates haven't been used in the production of milk for over forty years. So Woolworths are basically saying something that is true, but taking advantage of the audience's lack of knowledge to make out that they're doing something different when they aren't.

Holden are doing exactly the same thing here. They're taking advantage of the publicity the new makes are receiving to make out that they are just as new. Which is ironic, considering that when the Car of the Future programme was first announced, Simon McNamara publicly announced that other manufacturers should not bother with entering the series, because they wouldn't get anything out of it.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Good session there. Looking forward to the race today, most of the issues that popped up yesterday should have been solved over night.

LOL @ the Tander incident.

 

[aarror]

Good session there. Looking forward to the race today, most of the issues that popped up yesterday should have been solved over night.

LOL @ the Tander incident.

Tander is a bloody idiot. He's so full of himself it's disgusting, blaming Coulthard because he supposedly didnt have lights on. It's not like he was going quick enough to go on a flyer, so why not move out of the way?

 

[Spacegoat]

I didn't see the Tander/Coulthard incident, so I can't comment on that. But looking at the results, another great performance by Premet and McLaughlin. And a shout out to Tony D’Alberto who qualified 11th. 👍

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The Mercedes E63 is seriously lacking one-lap pace, but it seems to be pretty decent over longer runs. Once they can sort out problems like the overheating footwell and move up the grid a bit, they should be fine.

 

[Barra333]

Typical propaganda from Holden. They like to make out that they somehow triumphed against the odds, but they have twice as many cars on the grid than anyone else, and throw money at teams like Triple Eight.

The entry of Nissan and Mercedes has been widely-publicised. By saying that the VF won on debut, Holden are implying that they are in the same boat. While the VF model might be new, Holden themselves are not.

It's one of the first rules of marketing: if you can get an advantage by stating something true and letting your audience come to a conclusion that is better for you, do it. It's like milk in Australia. Woolworths are advertising that their milk is "permeate free", which it is. But it's also misleading, because it implies that other brands are using permeates, which they aren't - because permeates haven't been used in the production of milk for over forty years. So Woolworths are basically saying something that is true, but taking advantage of the audience's lack of knowledge to make out that they're doing something different when they aren't.

Holden are doing exactly the same thing here. They're taking advantage of the publicity the new makes are receiving to make out that they are just as new. Which is ironic, considering that when the Car of the Future programme was first announced, Simon McNamara publicly announced that other manufacturers should not bother with entering the series, because they wouldn't get anything out of it.

What? All the poster/ad states is that the VF won on debut. 100% truth. It doesn't imply that it was against the odds, or that Holden have never been on a racetrack before.
If it said 'Holden wins on debut', maybe your tinfoil hat marketing spiel would have a point. I am pretty sure there would have been a similar picture whether Nissan and Mercedes were on the grid or not.

 

[magpie1997]

Tander is a bloody idiot. He's so full of himself it's disgusting, blaming Coulthard because he supposedly didnt have lights on. It's not like he was going quick enough to go on a flyer, so why not move out of the way?

Well if that is the drivers agreement and understanding how was he to know that Coulthard was on a flyer

Tander would of also wanted a good run out of the last corner to help get a good start on his flying lap

 

[-Fred-]

If my calculations are correct the 2nd race starts in roughly an hour?

 

[Matthew77258]

Yeah, approximately 1 hour.

 

[Dustone]

The entry of Nissan and Mercedes has been widely-publicised. By saying that the VF won on debut, Holden are implying that they are in the same boat. While the VF model might be new, Holden themselves are not.

It's one of the first rules of marketing: if you can get an advantage by stating something true and letting your audience come to a conclusion that is better for you, do it. It's like milk in Australia. Woolworths are advertising that their milk is "permeate free", which it is. But it's also misleading, because it implies that other brands are using permeates, which they aren't - because permeates haven't been used in the production of milk for over forty years. So Woolworths are basically saying something that is true, but taking advantage of the audience's lack of knowledge to make out that they're doing something different when they aren't.

Holden are doing exactly the same thing here. They're taking advantage of the publicity the new makes are receiving to make out that they are just as new. Which is ironic, considering that when the Car of the Future programme was first announced, Simon McNamara publicly announced that other manufacturers should not bother with entering the series, because they wouldn't get anything out of it.

Holden are in the same boat as Mercedes and Nissan and even Ford. Everyone debuted new cars. The VF won, and it won on debut. Time to get over it!!

 

[evilserpentman]

I'll be devil's advocate...
Holden were at a huge advantage when it came to the new regulations. They (along with Ford) were the first to hear the new regulations.
We also have to keep in mind how invested Holden is in the series, and how little Ford helps teams outside of their umbrella.

Now, by the time Nissan and Mercedes announced their intentions, Holden (and to a lesser point Ford) had been developing that car and running laps for quite a while.

They had longer with the new tech, are not using a new engine and are retaining a lot of the gear they can use from the old car.

So, in no way an underdog, but indeed a winner on debut.

 

[magpie1997]

So, in no way an underdog, but indeed a winner on debut.

They never said they were the underdog they were just mentioning the fact that their new vf commodore won the debut race of the new format

Holden want their investment in the series and success to result in more vf's sold and this is a form of advertising

 

[aarror]

Well if that is the drivers agreement and understanding how was he to know that Coulthard was on a flyer

Tander would of also wanted a good run out of the last corner to help get a good start on his flying lap

Without a replay I cannot confirm that coulthard didn't have his lights on. He does however have advertising on the lights, which could have made Tander think they were off.

Tander didn't have a good run off the corner, he was moving at a snails pace. If he was going onto a flyer he would have already been accelerating at that point, or he would have lost a few tenths on the run to turn 1.

 

[Matthew77258]

Without a replay I cannot confirm that coulthard didn't have his lights on. He does however have advertising on the lights, which could have made Tander think they were off.

They showed a replay on Channel 7, Coulthard didn't have his lights on.

 

[Dustone]

They never said they were the underdog they were just mentioning the fact that their new vf commodore won the debut race of the new format

Holden want their investment in the series and success to result in more vf's sold and this is a form of advertising

Holden would have done it whether it was COTF or not. They always have great marketing