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Yeah baby, we got first and third!
Well I didn't hear any of it (I watched the broadast, so they may have never shown it), but there was never any jeering going on when Kelly or Tander overcooked it and found themselves in the run-off areas. It's a far cry from a three-way pile-up, but I'm reading your statement as saying the fans get enthusiastic when there's any kind of trouble.
I assume you're referring to that pass on Winterbottom that didn't go according to the script? It was a legitimate move - and was deemed as such - even if it was rather untidy. Both Lowndes and Winterbottom were off the racing line and out on the dirty parts; if anything was inevitable it was that he' never make the pass the way he had intended.
Do you have any idea how passing works? Diving down the inside line in an effort to force your opponent to take the corner wide is a perfectly legitimate move. In fact, almost every single pass or passing attempt that was made at turn nine over the weekend was done that way. It's a high-risk, high-reward move because other drivers can take advantage of it, as Courtney did when Lowndes made that move on Winterbottom. And often as not, the defending driver would go over with the attacking one, putting both of them on the dirty line where there was no grip. The only difference was that Lowndes was further over than any other driver.
One. I don't care what you say: Craig Lowndes won in 2006. Rick Kelly might have been the first man home, but at least Triple Eight didn't need to cheat in order to try and win. And they didn't need to call anoter team in to do it for them, either. Between Garth Tander deliberately blocking Lowndes so that Kelly could catch up, Todd Kelly riding shotgun for his brother, Mark Skafie all but running Lowndes off at one of the fastest sections of track and Rick Kelly punting Lowndes off in the final race (if Kelly was as good as the number one he won claimed, he would have known that his track position at the time would end with him off the road or kissing Lowndes' bumper), Lowndes won. And I know more than one Holden fan who not only agrees with me on that count, but decided to start supporting Ford because they were so ashamed of their former drivers' actions.
yep he did have number 1 on the side of his car last year.kelly had his car on the inside lowndes didnt give him the room plus lowndes was riding his brakes all the way along that straight(watch the in car footage youll see the brake lights are on all the way along) then didnt wait for the rest of the field to pass so parked his car on the racing line forcing himself to be crashed into by another car then claiming if that never happened he would have won the championship even though rick isnt a slow a driver and had a faster car all weekend and im guessing you missed lowndes ramming off todd kelly in the last race last year too 
Oh, so he was sabotaging Winterbotom by taking as long as possible to get onto the circuit? Turn 9 is taken at a very pedestrian speed, but Lowndes and Wintrbottom were forced to make such a sharp turn that they made everyone else look quick by comparison.
Kelly wasn't on the inside. He was in the centre of track at best, and his racing line at the time would have taken him off the circuit if he continued it, so what the hell was he doing there? Lowndes couldn't give him any room on account of the fact that A) he had the right to defend his racing line, just like any other driver (there is, however, a difference between defending and bloking, so don't argue Tander was in the right) and B) there was another car directly in front of Lowndes and to give Kelly room would be to hit them. Lowndes was forced to ride the brake pedal as Todd Kelly was dictating the speed of the field, and he certainly wasn't going as fast as he could. And as for Lowndes pushing Todd Kelly off, did you notice how he wasn't exactly in control of the car at the time? Rick tapped him into a spin and Lowndes collected Todd. There was no way he could have avoided it.pretty sure rick won in 2006
did you even see that race
I felt is was still relevant to discuss it, given that Lowndes was once again in a racing incident. Going back over other ones seemed to be the best course of action because we may have spotted a pattern. However, I won't keep debating the issue. I've made my arguments, clear as day. To continue would just mean repeating myself.
I only just heard about that half an hour ago. He came from the (fairly) small town I grew up in - though I didn't know him at all, and nor will I claim to - but I know the town will be deeply upset, and I'm with them.VTRacing
That's a general issue with any street circuit, regardless of the types of corners in the first part of the lap
(the old Wellington circuit only had 11 or 12)
I know it doesn't look like much, but there's no real detail in there; turn three is actually made up of a right-left-right combination, and there's no turn four on the map. I agree that chicane is fiddly at best, but all it has to do is slow the cars down for the sweeper. It's also very bumpy, there's a whole host of surface chagnes, and the drivers seem to like it, which must count for something. If they came out and said it was no good and that they hated it, then we'd be in trouble, but Hamilton is honestly a far better circuit than the likes of Barbagallo (where you can see your own bumper vanishing around the corner ahead when you're on a good lap). Maybe there will be a second New Zealand round at Hampton Downs once the circuit is finished ...Honestly:
How boring is that?
Such a better race than Sandown, Phillip Island is just a better and more interesting track, not to mention more globally recognised.
RanhammerR34 and I usually get to watch the races online from the V8 Supercars website, but he had to go to bed early for the MotoGP race and I was too tired to watch it myself given where we are(US EDT).
