What cars not to buy ... Part 2

[Atreides]

I'm wondering if some or all of the people saying certain cars suck ever drive the car unmodded, or just jump right in and max it out with a stage 4/5/whatever turbo ... Maxing the car out with mods can completely alter the handling characteristics of the car, and in some cases make the car very unforgiving and difficult to drive. This is especially the case when you mod a car to have double the HP of what it originally came with, and try to compete with cars that have the same ammount of HP stock. Most of the time, the stock cars will be much better ballanced cars, and your tuner-special car will have a hard time cornering and breaking against them.

-a

Unless i love a car to bits and will drive it heaps i don't mod and i definetly wouldn't waste my money on modding the Mercs i've drivin..

 

[metal248]

that beetle cup car (50,000 credits) SUCKS, when I started out I bought it, it was so slow that I couldn't beat the Sunday Cup! I can't tell about the handling cuz it doesn't really go fast enough to make a difference, since the hp isn't listed, I'm guessing it's maybe 90? And it maybe weighs like 1200 kg.

 

[meeekael]

-TVR Tuscan Speed 12
Hard to control , wheelspin

I'm speeling of GT3 **** here. But the Speed 12 is not a ****ter. In GT3 it was one of the most powerfull "stock" cars that there was. Therefore it is ****ing brilliant. Is there no "can't remeber the name but you needed to use a stock car to enter" races in GT4?

Meh. I don't even have GT4 so what am I on about. :E

 

[metal248]

o yeah, how I drive the speed 12, I slow down a LOT about 20-30 feet before a turn to about 50 mph, then about halfway through the turn, I hit the gas pedal and the hp usually pulls me through with a fast speed.

Racing tires make a HUGE difference in handling and it kicks major @ss with them. Also, sports brakes and the TCS thing helps too.

 

[CSS]

The Eagle Talon... Need i say more ?

 

[Netclash]

Yes indeed, the HPA golf R32 stage 2 isn't actually worth the money. I think you can get better cars for that price... But then again , the meaning of this topic / How exactly can u know it's better ? And what is better ?

Examinations

 

[gomer_pyle]

BMW M Coupe '98

- slow acceleration
- pricey once you have all the mods on it
- poor braking ability

I've bought this one to do the BMW "M" races and Schwarzliga A but I couldn't use it there, it said "German Cars Only". What the hell is a BMW? I should've bought a normal M3.
I did to race in the "M"-series, was awarded 90 A-spec points, and won with 9 secs advantage. But on the other races (after i modded it a little), i was gonna get 61 points, but i had trouble getting bronze. I thought the lower the A-spec points, the easier the race, but I guess that's not true.

 

[Mr Whippy]

M3 CSL can't be used in the German car races either, lol... Polyphony have made some really stupid mistakes!

What happened to the SMG on the CSL too, it takes seconds to shift up, in real life it's 80ms race type gearbox.

The TT DSG 3.2 Audi is even worse. IRL it shifts instantly, but Nooo, not in GT4, it takes a good second to shift up a gear!?

And all the auto's now shift like manuals, unlike in GT Concept.

Anyone start to think this game is half finished?

Dave

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

The Eagle Talon... Need i say more ?

No don't say anything..................OR you could write a book about it, a sorta biography of a car, or something in that length

 

[Shafted]

Can any cerbera speed 12 lovers post their settings? I'm having real trouble with it. I can't win any races with it, but i can win races by a long shot with my modded griffith. I would have thought that it would be the other way round. Yes, i am a bit of a crap driver

The gear changes seem to be really wobbly and the rev needle bounces all the time (ie. does not go up smoothly) Kind of hard to explain i think.

I'd have been really p*ssed off if i had bought it but thankfully i won it from the blackpool racers series. The only money i lost was the money i spent trying to upgrade it.

 

[stucowie]

yea, i've wondered that as well.. i tried adjusting the transmission but that didnt help either

 

[Netclash]

I've bought this one to do the BMW "M" races and Schwarzliga A but I couldn't use it there, it said "German Cars Only". What the hell is a BMW? I should've bought a normal M3.
I did to race in the "M"-series, was awarded 90 A-spec points, and won with 9 secs advantage. But on the other races (after i modded it a little), i was gonna get 61 points, but i had trouble getting bronze. I thought the lower the A-spec points, the easier the race, but I guess that's not true.

The BMW 320i Touring car. try to enter the german touring car chamionship , but nooooooooooooooo , only german touring cars
lmao , but i said this already

 

[loudboxer]

Great thread. I liked it a lot, and reading too.

When i find one, i will tell here too. Til now, i found just one. The CLK GTR. I just can´t make the same laptime as i do with the R89C Nissan, and both have the same Hp or near it.

The merc has a poor handling while the R89C is outstanding. I just don´t like the CLK GTR. =/

Keep in mind that the R89C comes from an era where the underbodies had massive venturi tunnels, some cars creating upwards of 10,000lbs of downforce sucking them to the road... The regulations evolved to slow the cars down, and the result is cars like CLK GTR (and other recent prototype sportscars: Audi R8, Bentley, Nissan R390) have flat bottoms and generate much less downforce. You need more mechanical grip and a gentler driving approach to get speed out of them.

 

[Netclash]

Keep in mind that the R89C comes from an era where the underbodies had massive venturi tunnels, some cars creating upwards of 10,000lbs of downforce sucking them to the road... The regulations evolved to slow the cars down, and the result is cars like CLK GTR (and other recent prototype sportscars: Audi R8, Bentley, Nissan R390) have flat bottoms and generate much less downforce. You need more mechanical grip and a gentler driving approach to get speed out of them.

So basicly, if I'm allowed to speak that free , U're saying that old cars are better than new ones? Just a question.

 

[Group C Fanatic]

About the BMW 330i Race car.

The reason (full) why i didn't like it:

It's expensive . So , when u buy an expensive car , u think it will be a good one. Why did i buy it ? I bought the M3 as a first car , and I absolutely loved it ! It was everything i needed at that moment . So then i wanted more , I started driving the Capri rally twice, so 263,000Cr x 2 , And i bought it. The BMW 330i touring car. It didn't accelerate smoothly / good. Actually it didn't accelerated at all. (in comparision with similar-priced cars) . The name says touring car. But u cant enter a touring car championship... That wouldn't have been so bad , if the car was good.

Duke is right , this topic is only for consultation in case u have doubts about a car. And even then ...
So have fun all !

Thats a very vague description of the car. And if it was the Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisters championship you were trying to enter this car in, i'm not suprised it isn't allowed to enter because this car never raced in the DTM series - it races in the ETCC.

 

[Group C Fanatic]

The BMW 320i Touring car. try to enter the german touring car chamionship , but nooooooooooooooo , only german touring cars
lmao , but i said this already

Again, read above. This is an ETCC car, not a DTM car. That's why you can't enter it in the DTM series.

 

[loudboxer]

So basicly, if I'm allowed to speak that free , U're saying that old cars are better than new ones? Just a question.

Hmm... not entirely. They go about different ways to go fast and require different driving methods and different strategies.

The main caveat with massive downforce is the massive drag that comes with it. A slippery car making 2000lbs of downforce will be able to attain a higher topspeed with less effort (power, fuel consumption, etc) than a car with massive downforce. Conversely a high-downforce car will be very fast in corners, but attain slower topspeed as it tries to push much more drag, requiring more fuel (and more pitstops) along the way.

GTP/GroupC teams would change the configuration of the cars; the Nissan R89 chassis variations going from 3k - 4k lbs to double that, depeding on the aero setup. LMP cars have some variation but much less total capability to create downforce. In GT4, you get to chose the car for the course. A top-speed course (the pre-chicane Le Mans) would benefit slippery cars (generally the modern ones). A handling course (Laguna Seca, El Capitan) would benefit from massive downforce the older protos to make up time in corners.

I can't wait to fill up my garage with all the sports protos, old and new, so I can feel the difference myself. I leave you with this: www.mulsannescorner.com. Have fun.

 

[jbrennen]

GTP/GroupC teams would change the configuration of the cars; the Nissan R89 chassis variations going from 3k - 4k lbs to double that, depeding on the aero setup. LMP cars have some variation but much less total capability to create downforce. In GT4, you get to chose the car for the course. A top-speed course (the pre-chicane Le Mans) would benefit slippery cars (generally the modern ones). A handling course (Laguna Seca, El Capitan) would benefit from massive downforce the older protos to make up time in corners.

I remember reading in the early 90s that the Gurney Toyota GTP cars were running about a second a lap faster than the Indycars were on one particular course in California -- I don't recall which one it was except that it wasn't Laguna Seca, Sears Point, or Long Beach...

They did it by developing just ridiculous amounts of downforce, since the GTP rules of the day pretty much gave them total "carte blanche" on body and underbody contours.

 

[jxmas2]

sl 65 doesn't suck its expensive but mine has full turbo intercooler exhaust oil change and engine plus top model suspension and brakes it gets 999 hp is that crappy for approx 218k

 

[Themlasu]

Can any cerbera speed 12 lovers post their settings? I'm having real trouble with it. I can't win any races with it, but i can win races by a long shot with my modded griffith. I would have thought that it would be the other way round. Yes, i am a bit of a crap driver

The gear changes seem to be really wobbly and the rev needle bounces all the time (ie. does not go up smoothly) Kind of hard to explain i think.

I'd have been really p*ssed off if i had bought it but thankfully i won it from the blackpool racers series. The only money i lost was the money i spent trying to upgrade it.

Well I found the key to the Speed 12 is mastering throttle control (very small increments). If you don't do that its going to slip and slide all over the place especially through the first 4 gears and its not going to really matter what the settings are. I like it stock completely, its a beast and one hell of a fun ride.
To me the Yellow Bird reacts very predictable in corners...though both cars have reached up and bit me many times
I personally don't like the Mitsubishi HSR-II, I feel like I'm cornering a barge instead of a car.

 

[loudboxer]

I remember reading in the early 90s that the Gurney Toyota GTP cars were running about a second a lap faster than the Indycars were on one particular course in California -- I don't recall which one it was except that it wasn't Laguna Seca, Sears Point, or Long Beach...

They did it by developing just ridiculous amounts of downforce, since the GTP rules of the day pretty much gave them total "carte blanche" on body and underbody contours.

The pinnacle of which was the Intrepid/Chevy and its over 10k/lbs of downforce that literally broke its wheel off at the hub (and sent Tommy Kendall to a death-defying crash). The engineers started to realize they might be making more downforce than they had expected. Crazy stuff... 3.5g's cornering power!

 

[smellysocks12]

NOT TO BUY:


Spyker Laviolette .... being Dutch this was one of the first cars I spent my money on. Well, bad move, because I honestly don't even think it looks that good.... and it isn't much better to drive either. You have to practically stand still to be able to take a corner... and while braking the car doesn't respond do the steering wheel at all.


Mine's Lancer Not worth the 150k it costs.... a normal Lancer isn't much worse than this car after you put a couple of cheap upgrades into it. I bought this car to win the tuner championship, I got owned so hard by the Opera S2000 and a Ruf 3400. Became 4th in the tournament and I didn't even drive that bad. I also didn't easily win the lancer challenge either, I won the first 2 races at once but I needed 3 tries to win Tokyo by crashing the lead car into a pillar.

Alpina whatever it's name is.... the one you can buy. It drives like crap in my opinion, I wouldn't buy it for anything other than the Alpina challenge to win the other Alpina car.

 

[krazyboris]

....Oh and the tvr cerbera speed 12, yes, way too much wheel spin. if you hit nos before 260mph you just spin the wheels to no effect..

Are you serious? Did you really feel the speed 12 needed nos? Is'nt 260mph out of a road going car enough for you?

And one last question, what exactly did you think was going to happen when you put the foot down in a car that weighs so little and has so much torque?

Dont hate the car because of driver related issues, with tinkering and plenty of learnig time this car can be quite impressive.

 

[tsugsr]

Anyone have anymore thoughts on the HPA Motorsports Golf IV R32 Stage II ('04)?? It seems like a decent car for the price, but with the new autosave feature I dont want to waste 32G's

Thanks.

 

[Pungent]

I've bought this one to do the BMW "M" races and Schwarzliga A but I couldn't use it there, it said "German Cars Only". What the hell is a BMW? I should've bought a normal M3.
I did to race in the "M"-series, was awarded 90 A-spec points, and won with 9 secs advantage. But on the other races (after i modded it a little), i was gonna get 61 points, but i had trouble getting bronze. I thought the lower the A-spec points, the easier the race, but I guess that's not true.

I was wondering too, but there is also an HP requirement there, if you read the scrolling text at the bottom, that race is for 200-300HP. Sometimes if it doesn't make sense then check the scrolling text, you should see the reason there.

 

[JRizEJ6]

Anyone have anymore thoughts on the HPA Motorsports Golf IV R32 Stage II ('04)?? It seems like a decent car for the price, but with the new autosave feature I dont want to waste 32G's

Thanks.

are you serious? 32k is chump change but seriously lots of people have said good things about the car. check it out 👍

 

[tsugsr]

It's chump change in my GT3 profile, but I just started on GT4 and dont have alot of money just yet, they keep giving me cars that have no freakin value. Anyways, I went ahead and bought the R32, its fun so far, im about to go enter some races with it and see how she does.

 

[DaveGTi]

HPA Motorsports Golf IV R32 Stage II , crap car the turbo lag is silly..

 

[Netclash]

Anyone have anymore thoughts on the HPA Motorsports Golf IV R32 Stage II ('04)?? It seems like a decent car for the price, but with the new autosave feature I dont want to waste 32G's

Thanks.

I bought it , and I think it's not worth it. Again it's 4WD so you have understeer in the corners (when throttle) . The car just doesn't fit to my driving style. I would say there are many other cars in that price-class which are way better . My opninion.

And 32k is a lot when you're just getting started ...

 

[Pupik]

ANY JAPANESE CAR THAT CAME OUT BEFORE THE YEAR 1999 - God, there are 40 Skylines. I don't even have to explain this one. Unless there's a particular model with a body style that you hold near and dear (like the first car you ever bought or something, sentimental and such), DO NOT buy it.

Quite the generalization, eh..Mr. ****? So I should ignore the lighter versions of these less expensive models? And although nearly everyone agrees with your Skyline comment, it's out of context with your agument.

ANY CIVIC OTHER THAN THE SPOON MODEL - Ok, the majority of the Civics (i.e. all except the spoon one) suck, and even the Spoon model isn't that great...

You need a Civic to pass the game, and get that nice little '87 Motul Civic race car. In any case, you don't have to dig too deep to get a decent Civic for the One-Make events. The Spoon's always been over-rated (usually gets less power when fully upgraded, and still understeers despite the fact it weighs less than other Civics).

Alpina whatever it's name is.... the one you can buy. It drives like crap in my opinion, I wouldn't buy it for anything other than the Alpina challenge to win the other Alpina car.

Actually, this series was so much fun, I ran it twice...once with the VE (the butt-engined "wagonoid") and again with the curvy one you win as a prize car. It just takes some getting used to driving an RR car (hint, start with no tuning upgrades or Driving Aids).

If you want to talk about cars you shouldn't buy, that will depend on whether you're in it to buy as few cars as possible, or collect as many of the same type of car, or wind up with one of each of the 700+ cars in the game. Take the lower list with a grain of salt...For example:

MGF '97
Shouldn't be bought because if you buy the '03 model, you can race it in the One-Make MGF series and win a '97 for sweeping the 5 races.

Isuzu 117 Coupe
Hard to find in the used historic pile, because it's a prize for the Isuzu Sports Classics.

Jaguar XJR-9
You win it for 50% completion. (Yours truly was still determined to buy it at the first possible chance, because it was the first consistent Porsche-962-slayer. Besides, 50% will take me another 6 months or so.)

Motul Civic Race Car '87
Prize car for the Civic races.

This list could go on...basically, consult the proze list if you want, or avoid it and have fun with the game.