What do u think of war on iraq..?

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Garconis

Evidently, both of you agree with each other but are unable to come back to what I said except for a vague short story about missiles or something that you probably read on a pro-abortion leftist website that was created by Rosie O'Donnell.

 

[Artifice]

left wing huh?

try rational

 

[Artifice]

Originally posted by M5Power
Evidently, both of you agree with each other but are unable to come back to what I said except for a vague short story about missiles or something that you probably read on a pro-abortion leftist website that was created by Rosie O'Donnell.

I wrote it this afternoon kid.

if all you can resort to is redicule and slam tactics, dont bother responding to my posts.

 

[Artifice]

Originally posted by Artifice
left wing huh?

try rational

Hey M5POWER!

pro - life activation sticker for car... $5.00

life time membership to NRA... $150.00

copy of "the way it ought to be" by rush ...$30.00

putting on blinders to the world... free

condemning the very thing you pretend you are fighting for... priceless!


check your dictionary man- look up FREEDOM. see how your views stack up to the definition.

 

[Gil]

Until recently, the US could say that it had never had an act of terrorism perpetrated against us. Sept. 11, had a profound effect on us. You will note that a link has been established between terrorist groups and Libya and Iraq.
For the most part Americans are peaceful people. But Japan proved in 1941 that if you kick us in the balls, while we are basically uninvolved in your affairs, we will jump back, lick our wounds, and come out swinging.
We didn't start a war. We stood up to the "schoolyard bully".
You may be one of those that thinks the bully has had it hard and we need to try to understand him.
Newsflash!:
Saddam wants to rid the world of us because we're friends with his enemies. We aren't hitting first, we are hitting back.
You don't have to agree, this is America after all and you are free to your opinion.
You may be all about not resisting the bully. Remember, not resisting the bully has netted us a generation of folks who still get just a little nervous every time a jumbo jet flies over.
Sometimes, if you want to keep the peace, you have to be ready to fight.

 

[Artifice]

Im really not sure where it is stated that saddam is somehow related to 9/11. ive heard a lot of propaganda surrounding it, but the truth is, saddam is a wonderful scapegoat for the Bush administration. we know that this is a preemptive strike, and not a retaliatory action. We started this. It isnt fair for the innocent ppl over there to hind behind honor or civility when it comes to our actions. The least we can do is realize that, as a people, we sometimes go down the wrong road and make mistakes. dont compare this to world war two, where we were attacked by another soverign nation. There is just no comparison here.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Artifice
Allow me to paint a little scenario for you all;

You are back from lunch on a warm day, just days into your second grade year. The teacher is forbidding, the kids all new, you're not sure how you will fit in. Typical enough... such feelings are shared by all your peers. You take solace in the fact that there are only three more hours until you are able to go home, able to relax.

A siren goes off as you open your arithmetic book. The teacher barks routine orders to get under your desk. You are used to these sirens. You feel like there is no reason to panic - you know that the great and mighty empire across the sea has razor sharp precision in their attacks. No harm will come to the building here. They only want to kill someone- someone you dont know, but someone your parents love. Why would you care about that? There is no reason to worry for all you need in your life is the comfort of your parents.

The crack splits through the air, followed by a rumble and a boom. The others scream around you, for this has been the closest one yet! Thank god, says the teacher as she does her best to reassure the frightened students. A few more distant booms go off, and you hear the siren stop. It is time to return to your studies, again, as if nothing has happened.

The day is finally over, the bus stops outside your house, the moment you have been waiting for is finally here. You run to your mothers arms, but she isn't happy to see you. She holds you tighter than she usually does, and begins to cry.

WHAT is a TERRORIST? Is it a man consumed by anger? Hate? Pain? Is it a face we have never seen? Is it someone we don't know?

Or is it the man whose father was killed in an American bombing raid while working in a military factory ... serving his country.

Thank you Mr. Bush- for creating the future face of terror against this nation.

-artifice

A properly concocted, dramatic vignette could induce sympathy for Saddam himself.

My response to your piece: No shlt Sherlock. Do you think people are stupid? You have just rationalized the war. Thank you.

Maybe you should send this to Saddam. Although I doubt he'd shed a tear.


"Waaaa Waaaa.... why do people suffer? why do people have to die? Waaaaa Waaaa life's not fair."

I am relived that you are a minority kook.

 

[Artifice]

Originally posted by milefile
A properly concocted, dramatic vignette could induce sympathy for Saddam himself.

My response to your piece: No shlt Sherlock. Do you think people are stupid? You have just rationalized the war. Thank you.

Maybe you should send this to Saddam. Although I doubt he'd shed a tear.


"Waaaa Waaaa.... why do people suffer? why do people have to die? Waaaaa Waaaa life's not fair."

I am relived that you are a minority kook.

spoken like a true american

we are fighting a war against hate, im sorry you don' t have the ability to understand that. this is not conventional warfare anymore than i am a bleeding heart liberal. so forget your pride, and remember what it is we are supposed to be doing over there.

read my passage again- and maybe you will see that it is not intended to provoke liberal sentiment. it is to show, by our actions, that we create the very thing we most hate. You cannot fight hatred with hatred, despite what our seasoned generals may think. they are attempting to deal with this threat as if it had something to do with power or land, as most major conflicts have in the past. BUt this is a new war.... a war against hate. Read the passage, and reflect on it a little before you respond next time.

the fact that the passage angers you so much is all the reason we need to stop the war. when you come to understand what i mean by that, you will be free. until then, you are just another american who doesnt understand his own fear.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Originally posted by Artifice
spoken like a true american

Easy on the stereotypes,... we're not all as non-compassionate as him. If that story was about you,... you have my deepest sympothies,. please kow that not all of us support the choices that our leaders make.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Artifice
spoken like a true american

Nice archive response

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by Artifice
Im really not sure where it is stated that saddam is somehow related to 9/11. ive heard a lot of propaganda surrounding it, but the truth is, saddam is a wonderful scapegoat for the Bush administration. we know that this is a preemptive strike, and not a retaliatory action. We started this. It isnt fair for the innocent ppl over there to hind behind honor or civility when it comes to our actions. The least we can do is realize that, as a people, we sometimes go down the wrong road and make mistakes. dont compare this to world war two, where we were attacked by another soverign nation. There is just no comparison here.

Do you realize that Sadaam readily admits to paying Palastinian(sp) family members $25,000 when someone in their family dies as a suicide bomber? If that isn't a link to terrorism then I don't know what is. There has also been evidence that he has funneled money to the talaban.

Here is a scenario for you.

You are a child sitting in a classroom doing your studies. Without warning soldier break in and grab you along with all your classmates. They hall you off and throw you in a large dimly lit room where there are many more people including your Mother who you run too as she is crying. What's happening Mother? you ask. I'm not sure honey but stay close to me and hold on to me.
As you stand there a gas starts filling the room and people are choking and falling to the ground. You look up at your mother as she holds you tight. Why are they doing this to us Mom? She looks down at you and says softly "because we are Kurds living in Iraq. Thats the last time you hear your mothers voice as you both fall to the ground holding each other.

Over 2,000,000 of his own people have died under this man and if you see no reason to oust him then I feel very sorry for you and the way you think.

 

[Artifice]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
we're not all as non-compassionate as him. If that story was about you,... you have my deepest sympothies,.

rest assured, this is not my story. However, i understand pain and loss, hence, i understand the roots of the terrorist mindset.

if we could all learn some understanding and compassion, we could live in a world free from terror.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Artifice
spoken like a true american

I also will add...

If your against the war, fine. Good for you. A lot of people are, but a lot more support what is being accomplished, however ugly the means, which were decided by Saddam; he had a choice.

It's not the fact that you are against the war that I have no respect for, and hence disregard. It is your reason. You sound like you are incapable of outlining your reasons in a "rational," convincing manner. Because of that you fall back on drama and guilt. Your little tears and sadness are much less important than they might feel to you. Wars are not waged to make people feel good today. They are waged with the long term future in mind, periods of time none of us will live to see, under any circumstance.

If your rationalle of pity is to be taken seriously we find ourselves in a closed circle of history negation. Your right to try and trick people into your perspective is only possible due to many wars. Now it's time to ante up, to live up to the hard part of this responsibility.

Nobody ever said freedom is easy.

So if you want to protest the war, at least have the decency to be honest about it, and not use the tricks of lugubrious women in love. You never know... there might even be a good reason for it.

 

[Artifice]

Originally posted by DGB454


Over 2,000,000 of his own people have died under this man and if you see no reason to oust him then I feel very sorry for you and the way you think.

you poor poor man- you misunderstood my passage, as many do. read my preceeding post. im not about invoking liberal sentinment, as i said.
but that is not why we are there , is it? if we were in the bisness of freeing tyranized people, then we would be in south africa wouldnt we? I dont want needless suffering any more than you, I just want it to end. I believe our efforts over there will not help to end it is all that i'm saying.

 

[Artifice]

Originally posted by milefile

Nobody ever said freedom is easy.

your right, it isnt easy to let go is it? i dont resort to guilt. again, you didnt read the passage. it is for understanding, not guilt, that i wrote it. we are trying to help rid the world of terror with this war, are we not? read it again man. just read it again. and if you want to continue to attack me, I wont respond again untill you decide to try to understand what it was i was trying to say.

by the way, im not against the war... im against the way we choose to go about fighting it.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Artifice
you poor poor man-

Oh pa-leeze... I want to use a quote I heard in a movie over the weekend: "Take the Friar Tuck act and shove it up your a**."

if we were in the bisness of freeing tyranized people, then we would be in south africa wouldnt we?

South Africa is run by Black Africans and has been for a while now. They have gotten their justice. South Africa was succesfully disarmed by the UN because the cooperated. In South Africa, everything that failed on Iraq, worked.

There is no comparison.

 

[Artifice]

Originally posted by milefile
They are waged with the long term future in mind, periods of time none of us will live to see, under any circumstance.

maybe you should listen to yourself here. we want the same thing. we both want the future to be sound for the safety of americans and other innocent peaple of the world. dont attack me. read the passage.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Artifice
your right, it isnt easy to let go is it? i dont resort to guilt. again, you didnt read the passage. it is for understanding, not guilt, that i wrote it. we are trying to help rid the world of terror with this war, are we not? read it again man. just read it again. and if you want to continue to attack me, I wont respond again untill you decide to try to understand what it was i was trying to say.

by the way, im not against the war... im against the way we choose to go about fighting it.

It's a matter of definition. I wouldn't call what I did an "attack," just as I wouldn't call what your trying to spread "understanding."

 

[DGB454]

I didn't misunderstand. You misunderstand why we are there you poor poor man.
Do you think that leaving Sadaam in power will end the suffering there? If so how? Do you not believe he is a threat to his people as well as Israelites ,British and Americans? If you do believe this then as I said before I feel sorry for you. A little advice for you if you are planning any trips to Iraq in the future.Don't.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Artifice
read the passage.

I did.

 

[Artifice]

Originally posted by milefile
Oh pa-leeze... I want to use a quote I heard in a movie over the weekend: "Take the Friar Tuck act and shove it up your a**."

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what are you so angry at me about anyways?

 

[Artifice]

Originally posted by DGB454
I didn't misunderstand. You misunderstand why we are there you poor poor man.

cute... anyways, i think you did misunderstand. im no longer going to sit here and try to explain what i mean, i will just leave you alone with your anger.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Originally posted by Artifice

Originally posted by milefile
Oh pa-leeze... I want to use a quote I heard in a movie over the weekend: "Take the Friar Tuck act and shove it up your a**."

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what are you so angry at me about anyways?

As I said before,... and have countless times in the past,.... dont stress him,.... he's extrememly insensitive. The fact that he's half-way intelligent only magnifies it.

All these points are mute,... there's nothing we can do except ***** at eachother and destroy the bond we have that makes us american citizens.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Artifice

Originally posted by milefile
Oh pa-leeze... I want to use a quote I heard in a movie over the weekend: "Take the Friar Tuck act and shove it up your a**."

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what are you so angry at me about anyways?

I'm not. I just thought that line was hilarious, it seemed to fit, and I couldn't resist.

"Poor poor man..."

 

[DGB454]

Im not angry. Just confused about the way some people think.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Artifice
cute... anyways, i think you did misunderstand. im no longer going to sit here and try to explain what i mean, i will just leave you alone with your anger.

I think you have some kind of Christ complex. At least thou soundeth like it... you "poor poor man"

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Whats a Christ complex?

 

[Artifice]

Originally posted by milefile
It's a matter of definition. I wouldn't call what I did an "attack," just as I wouldn't call what your trying to spread "understanding."

I UNDERSTAND that terrorism is bad. that is what my passage was about. the fact that you cant see that, and accuse me of using guilt, leaves me to thing that you just dont really have much idea at all about what is really going on around you. you will think how you want to, and it is sad. you will never see that what we both want is the same thing. im sorry that it must come to it, but i guess time will tell if this war will really have an effect on the long-standing terror risk to this country. I think it will, but i dont think it will be in the way that you are thinking it will. that is what my passage was about. im sorry you couldnt see it on your own.

 

[Artifice]

Originally posted by milefile
I'm not. I just thought that line was hilarious, it seemed to fit, and I couldn't resist.

"Poor poor man..."

such a creative sence of humor.

 

[DGB454]

Funny but I didn't recoginize Christ in his words. I did recoginize a condescending note to his posts though.
I do get your drift though Milefile