What do u think of war on iraq..?

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Originally posted by milefile
I just feel that feeling guilty about people dying in a war, whether it be kids, women, old people, or even the troops, serves nothing. Especially when I didn't do anything wrong. Maybe "compassion" is what we all need more of.

I hate this war. I want it over. I hate how I can't turn on the TV without a major mood swing. I hate seeing mom's cry and kids getting killed. I hate the protests. I question Bush. But I know we've passed the point of no return. We have to win now, and I know we will. But I still hate it.

Is the war right? I don't know. It's too late for that now. I'll leave it to the historians.

All I want is to believe that life will remain reasonably safe and prosperous for my family and I. That's it. Simple stuff. That is my standard of judgement. Will this war accomplish that for Americans? Again, I don't know.
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Hypithedical situation:

The rest of the world gets pissed off at us for draggin this out and WWIII erupts, with their intent to de-throne OUR regime.

Your drafted,.... would you go?
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
BTW,.. whats your opinion on the topic snoop?
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I support the war, and I highly frown upon the so-called peace protestors for I realize that this war is the only option in destroying the current regime. However, I'm dissapointed by the whole operation at the moment. I find the amounts of civilian casualties shocking, when portrayed against how much has been achieved so far.
 
Originally posted by sn00pie
I support the war, and I highly frown upon the so-called peace protestors for I realize that this war is the only option in destroying the current regime. However, I'm dissapointed by the whole operation at the moment. I find the amounts of civilian casualties shocking, when portrayed against how much has been achieved so far.
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Thats sorta how I feal. I support our troops, but I think we could've thought this through better. Rumsfeld threw a massive monkey wrench in the system when he whipped out his johnson and started talking up an 'air campaign'.
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
Hypithedical situation:

The rest of the world gets pissed off at us for draggin this out and WWIII erupts, with their intent to de-throne OUR regime.

Your drafted,.... would you go?
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(I reserve the right to change my mind....)

Yes. And your hypothetical situation causes me many anxious moments.

There are plenty of people who seem to be so sure that it just won't come to that. I don't know where they get their certainty from. The same people could've said the same thing about watching the Twin Towers fall on TV. Foreign troops landing on our shores is incredibly unlikely, though. And America has a serious ace-in-the-hole, which I hope it will never, ever use.
 
While we're on a role here,... I'd have to agree with you that it's a very disturbing situation. On one hand, your stuck with knowing you've been protected by this democracy for your entire life, and if not for it,... life would be much more oppressing. But, on the other hand, our policies dont reflect a worldly unity, even though we try to make it look that way. So, would change of our regime be better in the long run? Who knows,. I guess it depends on who want to change it and to what. That's what kills me the most about our 'liberation' of Iraqi's,... how can we be sensitive to their needs, when we're the ones with the long term dilema?
 
As far as the ace-in-the-hole = nuke's up the ying-yang,.....

I think it's exactly what the Chirstian community has been asking for, for the last 1000 years. The appocolyps.

Think about it,... the appocolyps is supposed to occur when every person on the planet (excluding children who cant rationalize) has been informed that Jesus is their one-and-only-savior. We all know that day has to be soon approaching,... let's hope that GW isn't Jesus re-incarnate eh :eek:
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
Hypithedical situation:

The rest of the world gets pissed off at us for draggin this out and WWIII erupts, with their intent to de-throne OUR regime.

Your drafted,.... would you go?
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If they would have me.

I don't pretend this war is a cure all for what ails us. I do believe that terrorism will increase in this country when it's all over.
I know that there is a hatred for the US in the Arab world.
I wish innocent people would never die. I wish my son could grow up in a world where no one suffers needlesly.
I believe everything is in Gods hands and is going according to his plans. So I try not to worry too much about it.

I support the current war but wish we could have sent a small group in to assasinate Sadaam and his fellow cronies. I hope it ends soon. I hope Sadaam and his sons learn the meaning of fear and pain before they die. (That doesn't sound too Christian of me but I'm not perfect.)
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
Hypithedical situation:

The rest of the world gets pissed off at us for draggin this out and WWIII erupts, with their intent to de-throne OUR regime.

Your drafted,.... would you go?
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Since it's not rhetorical....
I would move to either Canada, Austria, Germany, or Italy. I know it sounds bad and harsh, especially to people that have served in the armed forces to protect the US, but I just don't have this whole nationalistic feeling for the US. I like what it offers(freedoms, diversity, etc) but I wouldn't put my life on the line to protect it. I don't love it, not like you love your family. If something were to happen to the Vatican, however, I wouldn't hesitate to protect. I guess that's what many Arabs are feeling, I guess. Except many more know how menevolant Saddam is, so they don't want to protect.... At least, I hope many more are not as ignorant, and that the ignorant are a small minority....
 
Originally posted by rjensen11
If something were to happen to the Vatican, however, I wouldn't hesitate to protect
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oh man,...... that soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo reflects my points made here and other threads. Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you :cheers:
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
oh man,...... that soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo reflects my points made here and other threads. Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you :cheers:
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Don't mention it. The main reason why I said that though is because I have no ties to the state and that it doesn't really fill my idea of "leadership"

Oh, and here, this round's on me!
:cheers:
 
Originally posted by milefile
I just feel that feeling guilty about people dying in a war, whether it be kids, women, old people, or even the troops, serves nothing. Especially when I didn't do anything wrong. Maybe "compassion" is what we all need more of.

I hate this war. I want it over. I hate how I can't turn on the TV without a major mood swing. I hate seeing mom's cry and kids getting killed. I hate the protests. I question Bush. But I know we've passed the point of no return. We have to win now, and I know we will. But I still hate it.

Is the war right? I don't know. It's too late for that now. I'll leave it to the historians.

All I want is to believe that life will remain reasonably safe and prosperous for my family and I. That's it. Simple stuff. That is my standard of judgement. Will this war accomplish that for Americans? Again, I don't know.
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i agree with what you say here, im glad to hear your opinion on the matter. I only wish you had said this earlier. I want you and the others who read my passage back there to understand that im not interested in provoking giult either. it was trying to put a face to a word we have learned to use to loosely in this, our post 9/11 world. Terrorism is close to demonism in this country, and i was only trying to share, the best way i know how, my feelings about why i believe the war will not help prevent terror. I dont people to feel guilty about what we are doing, i want people to stop for a moment, and think about what terrorism means to them. I want to do the same thing that i think all of us here want to do. stop terrorism.

Im just not convinced that our president's present agenda will do much to satisfy his and our desires.

perhaps the fact that you see guilt in my passage is not a reflection on you at all. It could just be that I lack in skills of writing, and the way i intended is not the way it comes across. im sorry for that, but i still cant understand why you would react to it with such anger, resentment, and defiance.
 
It would only be so simple to just be able to judge the war as good against evil.
To an Iraqi who would be the good guy ..Saddam ?
Or the Invaders / Liberators ?
Neither ,I just want some food and to be left alone ?
Its only possible to liberate a people who wan't to be liberated. When will I see proof that the Iraqi's wan't to be liberated ?
Will I ever see proof ?
How many American lifes is it worth to free Iraq ?
Its a good thing this wars about disarming a despotic nutcase who hates us.
when do you think the arabs will beleive that ?
War sucks and then you die.
Saddams gotta go before he makes me die...
 
Originally posted by rjensen11
Don't mention it. The main reason why I said that though is because I have no ties to the state and that it doesn't really fill my idea of "leadership"

Oh, and here, this round's on me!
:cheers:
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In a strange way, I envy you for that. You never have to worry about your leader's decisions (God). :cheers: But he does need to get a bit of a grip on some of his people,..:eek:.. both them and K-mart have little boys' pants 1/2 off :p
 
Originally posted by ledhed
It would only be so simple to just be able to judge the war as good against evil.
To an Iraqi who would be the good guy ..Saddam ?
Or the Invaders / Liberators ?
Neither ,I just want some food and to be left alone ?
Its only possible to liberate a people who wan't to be liberated. When will I see proof that the Iraqi's wan't to be liberated ?
Will I ever see proof ?
How many American lifes is it worth to free Iraq ?
Its a good thing this wars about disarming a despotic nutcase who hates us.
when do you think the arabs will beleive that ?
War sucks and then you die.
Saddams gotta go before he makes me die...
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You should put that to music. l I can hear DRI screaming it.
 
Thats the result of to many beers and watching the news...or should it be ..Watching the news and too many beers..
 
Originally posted by Artifice
Hey M5POWER!

pro - life activation sticker for car... $5.00

life time membership to NRA... $150.00

copy of "the way it ought to be" by rush ...$30.00

putting on blinders to the world... free

condemning the very thing you pretend you are fighting for... priceless!


check your dictionary man- look up FREEDOM. see how your views stack up to the definition.
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Real quick - are you quoting your own posts?

And, uh - criticising is a bit different from condemning. Both are accepted under 'freedom of speech.' Of course, because my views differ from yours, I am 'pretending to fight for them.' Seems to me that because I don't exercise my right to freely speak in the same way you do, I get insulted. You never directly responded to anything I said except defining 'extreme left wing' as 'rational' then insulting me.

Naturally, I don't care - your opinion is on the extreme and therefore will never affect me or the American people.

And, don't pretend to know me. Because I criticise your socialist views, I am not right-wing. I am the most in-the-center person you'll ever come to know. But you probably won't ever realise that because you'll be wrapped up in finding hidden right-wing meanings behind everything I say.

PS - (and THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I'LL EVER ASK YOU SO PLEASE ANSWER) what state do you live in (or where do you live) and what kind of car do you drive?
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Uh - if you're drafted, you have to go. Federal criminal would be the term for those who don't.
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Originally posted by M5Power


Naturally, I don't care - your opinion is on the extreme and therefore will never affect me or the American people.
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c'mon man, i thought we were beond this now. lets step back and calm down.... I was just having a little fun. I already got into one of these with another member, and it's not going to happen again.

why do you want to know what kind of car i drive?
oh well..here,
i'm from NY, but i live in FL now, and spend some time in LA , as I am an illustrator, so I travel a lot.
I own a toyota pick-up, a subaru impreza, and a porsche 944.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Real quick - are you quoting your own posts?

And, uh - criticising is a bit different from condemning. Both are accepted under 'freedom of speech.' Of course, because my views differ from yours, I am 'pretending to fight for them.' Seems to me that because I don't exercise my right to freely speak in the same way you do, I get insulted. You never directly responded to anything I said except defining 'extreme left wing' as 'rational' then insulting me.

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wow, so much time spent here. actually, im glad you are so serious about it, it is a sign of commitment. but if you knew ME, you would know that i was just playing with you above. I wish you had just taken a moment to ask me.
 
Artifice, you're the man. I agree with you 100%. If anyone wants to bash me because of what I just said, go right ahead. I'm ready for it.:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
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I'm sort of affirming what your intentions for that question probably were, but - as I stated elsewhere in this thread - you immediately look for other meanings and hostile thoughts in my post, not regarding the actual content.
 
Originally posted by Artifice
c'mon man, i thought we were beond this now. lets step back and calm down.... I was just having a little fun. I already got into one of these with another member, and it's not going to happen again.

why do you want to know what kind of car i drive?
oh well..here,
i'm from NY, but i live in FL now, and spend some time in LA , as I am an illustrator, so I travel a lot.
I own a toyota pick-up, a subaru impreza, and a porsche 944.
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LA as in Louisiana or Los Angeles?
 
Originally posted by Artifice
wow, so much time spent here. actually, im glad you are so serious about it, it is a sign of commitment. but if you knew ME, you would know that i was just playing with you above. I wish you had just taken a moment to ask me.
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So now you go back on a position you spent so much thought defending? Odd.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
So now you go back on a position you spent so much thought defending? Odd.
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does there appear to be a lot of thought in my little mastercard gag?

what I am serious about is my position on the prospective state of global terrorism. What I am not serious about is accusing you of being a red-neck. Obviously, I had no grounds by which to deduce such a thing about you. You made fun of my passage, I made fun of you back. As Im sure you've guessed be my misterious lack of a cyber-history, I am new to the forum. Only after butting heads with other members did I realize that the level of seriousness maintained in several of these threads would dictate that I use a certian amout of tact and descression when responding to those who dont agree with me. You can rest assured, in the future, I will.

I am truely sorry you thought I was serious, perhaps next time I will remember to add a smily face afterword or something.:)
 

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