What do you think about drift ?

[TuRb1n3]

I just wanted to know what everyone thinks about drift ?

Good or Bad ?

 

[LanEvo]

good for show bad for racing

 

[Duke]

You'll get very different answers depending on if you ask here or ask on the Drifters Only board.

But since you asked, I'll say that I think drifting is for people who can't race.

 

[TuRb1n3]

But dosn't drift requires more skills ?

 

[Duke]

Not in my opinion. Racing already requires all of the skills used in drifting, plus a lot more. Drift is just demonstration of car control; nothing more, nothing less. But good car control is just the price of admission for a race driver. There's way more beyond that.

 

[LanEvo]

drift is fun for the off-season racing will always require more skill...but if you learn drift, it will help your racing a little. if the car gets into a drift-situation, you know exactly what to do. but neon-duke said its for people who CANT race...we just dont want to drift is something to do when you grow bored of the normal racing.

 

[Der Alta]

I've actually harkened to Duke's theory as well.

My thoughts were that a larger percentage of people started "Drifting" in GT3 because they couldn't win at certain races. So instead of learning how to drive, they walked away and became a drifter.

Duke is correct in that Drifting is simply showcasing one aspect of racing. Much like saying "I can catch a fly ball in 13 different ways" but have no luck when it comes to running hte bases, hitting the ball, throwing it or fielding it.

Drifitng is considreed an art form. I'd equate with water painting. Just one step up from "paint by numbers" and with an hour of practice, anybody can do it.

As LanEvo said, it will help a little. Like when you get in a drift situation, you'll know how to get out of it. So yes, Drifting has an application in real racing, for that few tenths of a second that you got into by hitting the brakes too late.

AO

 

[LanEvo]

there are two types of drift...high horsepower(around 700-1000) and slick tires, which requires about 5 minutes before you know how to drift. and then there's low horsepower (200-380) using sim tires. the later is much harder to master, and much more realistic when compared to real life drift. it takes a whole lot longer than an hour to master the low-hp sim tire drift..go try to drift an entire course without any mistakes and see what happens

 

[Der Alta]

Drifting is nothing more than taking a corner with the back of the car off-line.

Be it 1000hp or 200 hp. It is nothing more than a way to look pretty. A slim one perspective aspect of racing.

Care to prove me wrong? In a low horsepower car? Grab your favorite Mazda Miata and head into the roadster Enduro. I ran it on Sports tires in a 17,000 cr Miata.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t-25786.html

I ran grip, you get to drift. If we're counting this as real life racing, there is the time to beat.

AO

 

[wildcard]

I think drifting is fun. I drift sometimes in GT3 in Free Run on Arcade Mode. It's especially cool to see the replay of you drifting and seeing how sideways you get. Drifting is just a way of making driving look cool. In racing, it just slows you down, but when you are alone, it is great fun.

 

[Brandono]

Drifting is just something different to do when you get bored of racing. I do it in Free run. I don't race the computer and drift. I just do it for fun and for the replay.

 

[LanEvo]

Originally posted by Der Alta
Drifting is nothing more than taking a corner with the back of the car off-line.

Be it 1000hp or 200 hp. It is nothing more than a way to look pretty. A slim one perspective aspect of racing.

Care to prove me wrong? In a low horsepower car? Grab your favorite Mazda Miata and head into the roadster Enduro. I ran it on Sports tires in a 17,000 cr Miata.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t-25786.html

I ran grip, you get to drift. If we're counting this as real life racing, there is the time to beat.

AO

i dont drift in races..sorry. and the mazda miata is a good drift car i was simply saying for you to attempt drifting using sim tires on a 300hp car. not "LETS RACE CAUSE DRIFT IS SO MUCH BETTER"

 

[LanEvo]

all i want you to do is try to drift a 300hp sim tire car in 1 hour. that's what you said you can do..so do it. if you can't then you can't if you can, then you can. i just want you to have proof behind what you are saying, and not bash something because you havn't experienced it.

 

[Sominon]

Drift : Nothing more then excessive tire wear and slower ET's.

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by LanEvo
all i want you to do is try to drift a 300hp sim tire car in 1 hour. that's what you said you can do..so do it. if you can't then you can't if you can, then you can. i just want you to have proof behind what you are saying, and not bash something because you havn't experienced it.

Actually, what he said takes and hour was water painting, which is similar to paint by numbers. He never really claimned that you could master drifting in an hour.

At least as I understood it. And I stand by my original statement.

 

[LanEvo]

why are you the admin for the drift channel if you can't enjoy the sport? cars arent always about lap times. everyone needs to show off at one point...just look at the peacock..lol i understand that if you don't like something, you don't have to..so i'll leave with saying that drift is a skill that takes time to perfect..you still have to learn the track, you still have to learn entry speed, braking, and steering(even though its in the opposite direction) but drift is by no means an alternative for people who cannot race. they may not get world record lap times, but we don't use grip on every turn, so it's like being out of practice if you were to challenge a drifter to a lap time race (though if the driver is skilled enough, you would still get a run for your money)

 

[Der Alta]

Lan:
I'll be the first to admit, that I'm not a big fan of drifting. In fact, It was some of the most troubling license tests I had to pass.

The Miata Enduro is about an hour+. What Miata would you suggest I take and with what tires? I've got a Sharkport, and can happily load a replay up of my race. That gives me about an hour to learn how to drift and control my drifting in a low powered car.

What I've been saying in all of my posts, is that Drifting is a simple aspect of racing that can be done by anyone with the least amount of skill. I don't think I was bashing it, just stating that it was a very tiny aspect of racing that has been overblown into it's own "sport". Nowhere did I ever state that it wasn't fun. Looking forward to trying this out.

Take a look at this skill to determine how good of a racer I am: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t-26262.html.

I'm stuck for time tonight, but I'll certainly set aside an hour tomorrow night to run this and upload a replay.

Boy, I'm just full of vinegar today. Must have been that free drink lunch.

AO

 

[bengee]

ok i do not understand y people hate drift so much... i also agree that racing and drifting require similar skills.. but to become good at regualr race driving... while maximizing full tire grip without asm or tcs is increadibly difficult...

i drift on sims and slicks and i use maybe 100 hp less for sims than with slicks... i never go above 600 hp for drift... unless its a race car i guess...

for people who think they can tune their cars in gt3 and drive them at max grip during corners without any comp aid... give me a break... you might be good at it but it is dam hard in real life when you know the true stats of a car... you are guessing in the game about car stats... and therefor you have no way of knowing whether you are approaching maximum grip...

anyways i think that to just drift requires much less skill than being a good race car driver... but hey that is like saying to just drive takes less skill than drifting extremely well... to drift well, fast ( line and speed), and with even tire wear takes as much skill as driving grip fast on a good line with even tire wear...

IMO niether is better... and there is a time and place for both...

it seems to me that those who hate drift just might not be good at it... or maybe they dont care inough to try...

personally i think drift is more fun... more exciting... adn that is what i do when i play around... when i wana race seriously with even or underpowered cars... i do not drift... if i have a car that is a little to fast for hte comp... i drift...

i actually can drift faster laps with the speedster than grip... mind you this is with the same tires on... i am sure if i changed my tires i would be able to grip faster... in this case i was using meds... kinda like a medium ground i guess

 

[DoZeRxXx]

fun if you can do it... i couldnt hardly get it right until i got the opel calibra touring last night and tahts what i was doing for about 2 hours... i can now drift with the mini cooper and the opel calibra

and ya its fun to watch the replay and your like was i really that far sideways

 

[LanEvo]

Der Alta, a stock miata is NOT a proper car to learn drift on...go to our forum and get Cudaman's settings for the RX-7 Infini III FC. (how to drift guide thread) i dont want you to use drift in a race, because that isn't where drift belongs. if you can make a full lap on apricot hill with that RX-7 whithin an hour demonstrating proper drift technique, you're the wisest man in the world. if you can't...you have to keep trying so you can learn to drift and appreciate it for yourself.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Originally posted by LanEvo
all i want you to do is try to drift a 300hp sim tire car in 1 hour. that's what you said you can do..so do it. if you can't then you can't if you can, then you can. i just want you to have proof behind what you are saying, and not bash something because you havn't experienced it.

Pffft,... I'll drift my friggin Mini on Sim tires, let alone a 300hp beast...... sounds like you need to spend more time at the track tuning your own skills rather than trying to tune into other peoples.... we've all experienced drift,... it's nothing new. Especcially for us who've grown up in a winter wonerland. You want drift,..... move to West Michigan for the winter.

 

[bengee]

i would suggest not bringing ff "drifting" into the disscussion... i believe he was discussing fr mr or 4wd... in other words not using hte handbrake...

lol tune into other people...

and what about the rally tracks or the wet courses... i am sure drift will prevail here...

 

[LanEvo]

its all a question of horsepower to weight. and when you put FF on top of it that requires even less skill.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

So,.. you guy's think it takes LESS skill to drift an FF over the others?

I want the drugs you've got....

 

[Der Alta]

OK... I have no problem with people who enjoy drifting, it's the people that believe it is an aspect to excel to.

everyone needs to show off at one point...

So now you're saying it's just to look pretty? So you spend all this time showing off? Umm...Rice and an ego problem?

i dont want you to use drift in a race, because that isn't where drift belongs[/quoute] So where in GT3 does it belong? It only shows up in one screen (when choosing suspension set-up in Arcade mode). Again, people taking a slim piece of the game and aspiring to it.

a stock miata is NOT a proper car to learn drift on...

Why not? It's under 300hp, and with sim tires, it ought to be cool to hang the backend out around the hairpin and the big 180.

bengee siad:
anyways i think that to just drift requires much less skill than being a good race car driver... but hey that is like saying to just drive takes less skill than drifting extremely well... to drift well, fast ( line and speed), and with even tire wear takes as much skill as driving grip fast on a good line with even tire wear...

This is why I stand by my thought that the biggest group of people who rave about drifting are the people who can't win a race. They give up on the game and concentrate on one small aspect of the game. No need to learn how to take a good proper corner, in fact, let's run away from the competition entirely.

bengee said:
and what about the rally tracks or the wet courses... i am sure drift will prevail here...

That's because the track surface is not built for grip in the first place.

RER said:
we've all experienced drift,... it's nothing new. Especcially for us who've grown up in a winter wonerland.

Ditto, been doing that since I first jumped on a snowmobile at age 10. Which means I've been drifting longer than LanEvo has been breathing.

So where does this leave me? I guess, that I'll take Cudaman's settings and give the RX-7 a test run around Apricot hill. Then upload a replay for review.

AO

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by bengee
ok i do not understand y people hate drift so much...

I don't hate drifting, or drifters in general. I dislike the cult of awe that has grown up around it as an end in itself. I dislike people who say it takes much more skill than driving for maximum speed.

I agree pretty strongly with Der Alta's more in-depth description of drifting: I think it's a cop-out. Imagine how much faster you could be if you took all that effort spent trying to show off well, and turned it into something actually worth showing off.

To me, drift "competitions" are exactly like a monster truck show. Something with a distantly-past basis in reality, but taken to such an extreme of artificial "refinement" that they are now meaningless outside their own little world.

Monster trucks are incredibly specialized but inherently pointless vehicles that can only exist in the monster truck arena. A proper 4X4 would destroy one on the trail, and a good rough-terrain driver would leave a monster truck driver for dead in any vehicle other than a monster truck.

Drifter cars and drifters are just like monster trucks and their drivers. Highly skilled at something that is useless except when considered in and of itself.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

LOL,.... ROFLMAO!

ahhhhhhh,.. I guess they'll think twice about wandering into racing territory again

 

[LanEvo]

we didn't wander into racing territory...the guy who made this forum isn't a regular in the drift forum. and all i did was simply defend the art of drift. neon_duke you're 100% right, its a specialization, only for show, just like monster trucks. people like to watch monster trucks..people like to watch drift. races are fun too..but a lower number isn't as exciting to some people as a car on its absolute limit of traction while the driver looks effortless for a good 10 second drift. drift is strictly for show and should never be considered a form of racing...

 

[bengee]

teh topic of drift versus racing has been dicussed many times and will likely be discussed more...

personally i think that there is a time to drive drift and a time to drive grip... as i said i do both... even when i am racing... i havent drifted without competition since i learned... i guess it depends on what kinda mood i am in... but i dont think that anything can beat the fun of drifting my speedster on sims or slicks ( depending on my comp's hp)... in am and pro races... for races like the vitz prof ff and f1 i tend to utilize real racing techniques... not drift... for some drifting is no cop out... drifting is a way to enjoy the game... and i am sure that there are ppl who can drift as fast as some people race... i am not saying these racers are the fastest... the fastest lap will always do to the grip driver... but i still think that drifting has its place... it is good to be able to drive in many different ways... that way you can adapt to changing circumstances on the track... and if you guys are as hardcore as you think... if a drifter can stay in front with later braking... and hold the line that you take as well... i doubt that in a one on one race that the grip driver will always prevail... most likely it would depend upon the exit speed of hte last turn in most cases... this type of drifter requires as much knowledge about hte automobile he is racing as the grip driver... each style is different and has different advantages... i am sure that each style holds value... if not for racing in your mind... then for the excitement that is arosed in either case...

i also think that drift comps are kinda over rated... they have cars so tuned that the drift itself is different than if it was achieved in a near stock car... i dunno something about them turns me off... hehehe...

but to each his or her own right... dont put people or there style down becuase you dont like it red...

i do think it takes less skill in the GAME to drift ff with the handbrake or any drive train with the hb for that matter... than without...

most of what i said applies to the game much more than to real life...

 

[LanEvo]

the 300ZX i have entered in this drift competition is rated at 330hp so i don't know what you're talking about bengee...as for the real drift competition (D1 Grand Prix) all cars have to be registered(license plate), pass emissions, meet a sound decibal level, and use street tires. it isn't about horsepower anyway...it's about the skill of the drifter.