What do you think about drift ?

[tm2003]

i totaly agree with neon duke.

drifting is fun when you can be sure that you can back up the style with actual racing abilities. if you cant then it is a sad thing

 

[LanEvo]

thats totally true. if you can't handle a car the way it was meant to be driven, you have no right trying to learn drift..(the way cars WEREN'T meant to be driven )

 

[bengee]

i think tm put it in a good way...

lanevo... i was not talking aobut online drift comps... or insulting your drifters... i was talking about drift comps i have seen online... like the black drifting altezza and many others... seems to me that the chambe bla bla and other mods made to the cars are just to make the car drift... the car wouldnt be good for much else besides a car show... i think that that is shameful... a car that looks like a sleeper or stock is better in my opinion than one that looks all riced out and cant do much else besides drift... ehhh its just my opinion... i wasnt trying to offend

 

[LanEvo]

Originally posted by Der Alta
Ditto, been doing that since I first jumped on a snowmobile at age 10. Which means I've been drifting longer than LanEvo has been breathing.

AO

i thought we were talking about a video game here??

 

[Der Alta]

Yes, we are talking about a game. My remark was snide shot (joke) at the people who think that it is a new sport.

AO

 

[Famine]

BTW anyone who thinks you MUST use the handbrake to "drift" an FF car is fooling themselves. I believe both brian and I have a Mini setup (from an OLR) that just goes ass-out whenever it feels like it. Of course developing the settings to make an FF 178hp Mini Cooper not only not-understeer but actively oversteer requires no skill...

 

[Speeddrifter04]

The Truly sad thing is that we are having to argue the point. This is the way I see it. Grip and drifting are two different things. Not really sure who said they were the same but they were wrong. Grip is meant for speed, fastest lap times, etc. Drifting is meant for show and to show off a drivers skill at car control. Ive never heard of drifting and grip in the same competition IN THE REAL WORLD. Maybe in a game because in the game you have the ability to do what you want blah blah blah. But in all actuality its just not practial. And with the monster truck issue, its true. Drifting is specialized. Its meant to be. Thats why there are Drift ONLY competitions. Just like monster trucks are specialized. You dont see your neighbors 1996 Chevy ext. cab trying to compete with a monster truck at a Monster Truck competition. I didnt think so. Thats all there is to it. Drifting is fun i think. So i drift when im not gripping. If you dont like drifting, then simply dont do it. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. As cliche as this sounds, why cant we all just get along? No one is trying to come on your "territory". There is no territory. I hope some of you can see my point and try to be openminded to it.

 

[Sominon]

I look at Drifting as nothing more then dumb fun. Dumb fun being stuff like Burnouts, Donoughts, J-Turns, Et cetera.

Given, it's fun to take the old 3.4 and go out and let the rear end hang out on the way to the girlfriends house. Burnouts arn't spectacular since its a one legger, but donoughts are. To me the best is a J turn, nothing better then cruising in reverse at around 25 mph and throwing it around and into gear and watching the tire light up.

Drifitng is slower, in my experience with racing the only time I ever 'Initiate a drift' is because my vehicle is understeering to the point it won't turn. I also do it before the green flag to get a little heat in my tires, but nothing more.

I honestly don't see the fun in going out to a race track and hanging the rear end out everywhere, if I wanna burn down tires i'll go make lots of pretty black marks, and pretty white tire smoke until they pop.

I think its all a matter of opinion whats fun, I like going through every gear in the car before I hit 20 from the wheels spinning so bad.

Some like to drive a loose car, whatever trips your trigger I say.

 

[Speeddrifter04]

I agree with sominon in that its all a matter of whats fun to you. If you like it, do it. If you dont, dont do it. Simple as that

 

[bengee]

Originally posted by Speeddrifter04
why cant we all just get along? No one is trying to come on your "territory".

lol...

hey famine i wasnt trying to say that only e brake will drift ff... you can make most ff vehicles have no understeer and at least moderae oversteer when wanted... however... fr mr and 4wd have many more options when it comes to racing in general... if understeer is occuring in any of those vehicles power slides etc can help you but in ff.. such things cannot be done... in order to loose grip on rear wheels speed and angle are the only options... when these run out so does your drift... some people are prolly really good at ff drifts... i on the other hand dont try to hard...

this is a pointless thread... the next time one of these pops up and i post in it... anyone who sees me... feel free to shoot...

 

[Speeddrifter04]

Im serious. Whats the point in arguing.

 

[bengee]

i agree with you speeddrifter... and with tm... and with sominon... bye everyone...

 

[Speeddrifter04]

thanks for agreeing with me

 

[Solid Lifters]

First off, I don't think that people here are trying to start an argument, just a spirited discussion from both pro and con sides of the drifting style.

Second, I agree somewhat with neon. I feel to many gamers can't learn to properly race in GT3,so they run off with the drifting style as an escape.

Do I drift in GT3? Sure, it can be fun but this is only after I completed the game twice with a 100% rating and obtaining all golds twice. Taking a break from racing and to do some drifting can be a great stress reliever and a way to have some fun, but don't think for a minute that it's the purpose of th GT game series.

 

[Speeddrifter04]

Maybe not the entire purpose. But it certainly was planned for. Why else would they have a drift setting in the arcade? I mean, if I am wrong, please tell me. But why else would it be a drift setting?

 

[milefile]

Isn't the idea in racing to go as fast as possible? To win? How can you do this when your tires are scraping accross the pavement instead of rolling like they were designed to do? Cars are not designed to "drift", or skid, which is all it is. They are designed to grip. Utilize what the car offers instead of perverting it, and you will go faster. Drifting is for Dukes of Hazard.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Speeddrifter04
Maybe not the entire purpose. But it certainly was planned for. Why else would they have a drift setting in the arcade? I mean, if I am wrong, please tell me. But why else would it be a drift setting?

Yes. Arcade mode. Try beating the time trials drifiting.

 

[240drift]

Well, I started drifting after I got 1st place in all lisence tests and the arcade mode time trail. I also finished all of the non-endurance races without using a cheap F1 car. I just found the endurance races boring. Anyways, I think drifting takes much more skill than grip.

 

[Duke]

Ah, you had me going there for a minute. I was just about to agree with you till you made your last statement.

I honestly and truthfully think that drift control is a subset of the skills needed for racing, not vice versa.

That being said, I must repeat that I've got nothing against drifters. I just dislike the idea that these drift specialists are lionized like they were the second coming of Ayerton Senna or Juan Fangio.

 

[Gil]

Originally posted by 240drift
Well, I started drifting after I got 1st place in all lisence tests and the arcade mode time trail. I also finished all of the non-endurance races without using a cheap F1 car. I just found the endurance races boring. Anyways, I think drifting takes much more skill than grip.

That may be so. However, It also takes a good bit of skill to squeeze that last 0.25 seconds a lap off of your best time.
As far as I'm concerned drifting is best for playing in the dirt, where driving "sideways" is muh faster.
Grip is for driving on the tarmac.
Turning a fast lap is a great thing, Turning consistently fast laps on T2's. That is a TRULY gratifying thing.

I'll admit to getting sideways to cut some time off of the "squares" at Complex String. But I still think I'm faster gripping.

Not playa-hatin' the drifters. It just ain't my cup of tea.

 

[alikax]

drift+racing=gymkhana...

 

[Speeddrifter04]

Originally posted by milefile
Yes. Arcade mode. Try beating the time trials drifiting.

Is there an option to pick your setup in time trials? No. Maybe if you read the post I never said that drifting is faster. Grip is faster. Grip is what the car was designed for. Drifting is controlling the car past its limits. Not meant for speed. Meant for show. Read the post. Thanks.

 

[Speeddrifter04]

Originally posted by 240drift
Anyways, I think drifting takes much more skill than grip.

I disagree. Drifting is a specialization (sp?) of a certain skill of grip. It takes more skill to go faster. I think anyways. But drifting is tough. Not a whole lot of people are very very good at it. And few have mastered it.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Speeddrifter04
Is there an option to pick your setup in time trials? No. Maybe if you read the post I never said that drifting is faster. Grip is faster. Grip is what the car was designed for. Drifting is controlling the car past its limits. Not meant for speed. Meant for show. Read the post. Thanks.

Oh. So all show and no go. Gotcha. Your welcome.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Speeddrifter04
I disagree. Drifting is a specialization (sp?) of a certain skill of grip. It takes more skill to go faster. I think anyways. But drifting is tough. Not a whole lot of people are very very good at it. And few have mastered it.

That's because it's the car equivalent of figure skating.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by alikax
drift+racing=gymkhana...

What?

 

[Speeddrifter04]

I have go. I was gripping long before drifting. I wont say im the best. But im certainly not the worst. So dont think im all show no go. And im also not trying to start an argument. Im new here and looking for friends , not enemies. never meant to offend if i did.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by 240drift
Well, I started drifting after I got 1st place in all lisence tests and the arcade mode time trail. I also finished all of the non-endurance races without using a cheap F1 car. I just found the endurance races boring. Anyways, I think drifting takes much more skill than grip.

I think you need to race something besides the AI.

 

[milefile]

Arguing doens't have to make enemies.

 

[Speeddrifter04]

I just dont like starting things on the wrong foot.