Wow,it seems that this thread has become and old pain in the neck for mods,but now I don't blame them,I haven't post or check the forums for a while,and seeing the aftermath of the whole GT5 release,play and so on,I concluded that is just a game,maybe a bit more but overall a very good game,even if people deny it or just simply justify that FM is better.
Now,in internet forums,games as any other entertainment products are analysed, criticised and so on,and the conclusion for the game always involve technical topics,but what I see on Gran Turismo 5 over Forza 3 is simple,its style.
Now style or "how the game looks" is often omitted by the internet reader/writer,and is always omitted in game reviews and so on(keep in mind that western sites like IGN often uses the term "presentation" as some sort of game UI structuralism which doesn't apply the concept as they should),but looking at games,playing them and then evaluating them always makes the user to gain some interest on the game,that is why some developers give demos and trials of games that they are working on,this is to know the response of the user,if the player is interested he or she will download the game play it and verify if they like it or no,but this tendency is decreasing for the average internet user,because the internet user(specially on the west)always go to known places to dig up a game(like IGN or Kotaku US),which makes the users have a pre-disposition to the game,is like when someone tell you that some "guy" is bad,the guy probably can be bad but you never known until you known him.
If you keep in mind that sites over the internet will have pre-judgement,and that a game that appeal to you have some style that you like.then you will have good basis to buy a game,not just for the hype that t produces,to put a clear example of this,please remember the game Medal of Honor(2010),the game was bash by the critics and it didn't stood a chance against hyper hype Black Ops wave,this cause that the game have very low users online,and while the campaign was rubbish,the online multiplayer was really good,and IN MY OPINION better than the COD multiplayer,the thing about media is that it controls you,or makes you have pre disposition about something,and in my opinion is exactly what happened to Forza and Gran Turismo in the west.
Is not secret that the 360 doesn't sell well on Japan,and I have experienced this at hand.the reason for this is pretty simple,the 360 and the 360 games do not have style, seriously,to someone in the west a game like FM3 have a lot of style,but it doesn't,the in game UI have rip-off mirror edge menus,the list of events are larger,but they are variations of the the same race in different layouts,for example nurburgring races offer in point to point races of less than 5 km,while Gran Turismo offers the same experience with weather changes and light changes,FM events do not reach the same quality of the GT events ,the scenarios doesn't have much detail and neither have the cars,yes they have cockpits,but most of them are port overs from older FM games,I know that Gran Turismo does this as well but then Gran Turismo doesn't offer the 200 premiums and the world tracks as DLC,the photomode is superior in Gran Turismo and the track editor is something that In my opinion is better than a livery editor.
But I don't play GT any more,I play the seasonal events only,the reason for this is because GT4,GT4 was a massive game,and the same was expected for this game, unfortunately the amount of events didn't reach the expectations,something that the reviewers hate,but reviewers doesn't have the last word,the public have the last word,in that aspect players all over the world played the game,and it outsold black ops in both UK and Japan and in did pretty good in other areas like Europe,so,I consider it more like an "American" problem,games are meant to be fun,not to be expansion of the same thing over and over again,examples of this are black ops,Forza series, assassins creed and so on,all western blockbusters are just continuations of the same thing,western market doesn't open to new ideas or concepts,this doesn't apply to all the public of course,but the majority of the public have this view towards games.
but that is my opinion and I'm pretty sure it will be bash(maybe even penalized by mods),but is just my opinion,after all internet is meant for that purpose.
