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What Praiano did was not right and he might, therefore, suffer his consequences.
Just to be clear, he hasn't suffered any consequences - he deleted the OP of his tuning thread on his own, and when he's ready to return, we'll be happy to re-open the thread and can restore that post for him so people can resume talking about tuning cars. For now, his blank thread doesn't offer much help to anyone visiting the tuning forum looking for assistance, so we'll leave it closed until we receive further word from him. 👍
 
in my opinión we were a bother to her garaje..looking for a bad reaction,,who should have been verbally apperceived is the other,it was clearly bothering him,perhaps praiano was altered over when the manager caught her attention,he was powerless,everything could have been avoided.
the solution is to open the lock...and speak both private ( hambruna-praiano).
whenever you can.we all win....thx.
 
Just to be clear, he hasn't suffered any consequences - he deleted the OP of his tuning thread on his own, and when he's ready to return, we'll be happy to re-open the thread and can restore that post for him so people can resume talking about tuning cars. For now, his blank thread doesn't offer much help to anyone visiting the tuning forum looking for assistance, so we'll leave it closed until we receive further word from him. 👍
Alright Jordan. As he's very angry and sad, he isn't ready to talk right now. So, until we recieve a further word, like you said and right, it's better to give him some time and space.


In my opinion we were a bother to her garage, looking for a bad reaction, who should have been verbally apperceived is the other, it was clearly bothering him, perhaps praiano changed when the manager caught her attention, he was powerless, everything could have been avoided.
The solution is to open the lock and speak both private ( hambruna-praiano).
Whenever you can. We all win.... Thanks

Too many grammar errors....
 
Ihope my bad english is understood
That's ok Sanse, because I know that your english isn't your mother language. But english isn't also my mother language either, but I can speak english very good.
 
............Holy cow, I've been gone a day or so and I find this bombshell. Both Praiano and Motor City Hami has left the building. I must credit MCH's tuning post for helping me tame some of the most unruly cars in GT6, and I was going through some of Praiano's tunes as well - but now this. Sounds like a loss-loss situation to me. Except the nameless troll, that is. Sigh.
 
That's ok Sanse, because I know that your english isn't your mother language. But english isn't also my mother language either, but I can speak english very good.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!👍
 
That's ok Sanse, because I know that your english isn't your mother language. But english isn't also my mother language either, but I can speak english very good.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!👍
Thanks. I speak english since I was 10. 👍
 
A few posts down.

I doubt there's any problem naming them or linking directly to the post, seeing as it still exists, but at least this way you can make up your own mind. 👍

..........Thanks for the link. Wowsee. That must've been one hell of a spat between the two...I can sort of see where a few posts got deleted. Yeah, my mind's made up, one way or the other.
 
When a well-known troublemaker instigates problems in a well-established tuning garage thread from one of the most helpful, prolific and respected tuners in GTP, what is expected of the victim?

In the case of Praiano, the mods seem to deem any defensive response to be "aggressive" and "rude." I find this unacceptable. When someone comes into your territory and dumps a load of crap on your head, THAT person is the rude agressor, and any defensive response is justified.

Due to the misguided priorities of the mods, this site lost a hard-working tuner with a large following. This would not have happened if the mods had any sense of justice, or even common sense.

Since they cannot tolerate any form of criticism or disagreement, I would not be surprised if this post is deleted--just like all the posts in defense of Praiano in his now closed garage thread.

So, who agrees with the mods? Conversely, who agrees with justice and common sense?

I just couldn't have said it better than you, thanks for taking the work from me to formulate what you did, this whole thing is cooking inside of me!
I also find it ridiculous to "warn" (or should I say "offend"?) a member because he posted a 4-letter Quote in French by a well known writer! C'mon, how childish can you get?
The English language is full of foreign words, especially in Britain!
So e.g. H.R.H. the Prince of Wales carries in his coat of arms the words "Ich dien" which is German and means "I serve".
Would be a good motto for Mods!?
And also in Britain, they have the "Order of the Garter" and the motto there is in French too!
It reads: Honi soit qui mal y pense which means something like "A rogue who thinks evil about it".

But the worst thing still is, that they have expelled Praiano, he is one of the kindest and most modest persons one can meet in a Forum!
It's all so sad....
 
that they have expelled Praiano

The only person that has expelled Praiano is Praiano himself...

I'll be the first to admit I don't always agree with the decisions made by moderators, but I really don't get why they are getting blamed for something that never even happened.
 
But the worst thing still is, that they have expelled Praiano, he is one of the kindest and most modest persons one can meet in a Forum!
It's all so sad....

Praiano left of his own accord. The mods didn't ban, or expel him.

The only person that has expelled Praiano is Praiano himself...

I'll be the first to admit I don't always agree with the decisions made by moderators, but I really don't get why they are getting blamed for something that never even happened.

@Praiano is neither expelled, nor gone. He's still a member.

..........Thanks for the link. Wowsee. That must've been one hell of a spat between the two...I can sort of see where a few posts got deleted. Yeah, my mind's made up, one way or the other.
That was just the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back. The history goes back several years.
 
The only person that has expelled Praiano is Praiano himself...

I'll be the first to admit I don't always agree with the decisions made by moderators, but I really don't get why they are getting blamed for something that never even happened.
I love a bit of good ol' smarmy condescension when a member is booted out, but I think it somewhat defeats the purpose if present when the goal is supposedly arbitration. I think that some mods have a penchant for stirring the pot while executing their duties. @daan effectively accused a member of lying about being dyslexic recently, using what I thought was quite a provocative tone.

Provocation begets retaliation, and sometimes the application of some wisdom wouldn't go astray alongside the application of the rules. The latter is a must, the former a want.

In my opinion, the best chance for the best result in this case would have been to clean up posts where necessary, and address the two parties privately. Public lynchings are fun and all, but sometimes we need to bow to our better judgement.
 
I also find it ridiculous to "warn" (or should I say "offend"?) a member because he posted a 4-letter Quote in French by a well known writer! C'mon, how childish can you get?
The English language is full of foreign words, especially in Britain!
So e.g. H.R.H. the Prince of Wales carries in his coat of arms the words "Ich dien" which is German and means "I serve".
Would be a good motto for Mods!?
And also in Britain, they have the "Order of the Garter" and the motto there is in French too!
It reads: Honi soit qui mal y pense which means something like "A rogue who thinks evil about it".

Those examples are irrelevant for two important reasons:

1) No member was given any warning points for what you're suggesting.
2) Even if they were, this is the very first message of the AUP:

  • You will post all messages in English.
But the worst thing still is, that they have expelled Praiano, he is one of the kindest and most modest persons one can meet in a Forum!
It's all so sad....

It's been said repeatedly in this thread, but sure, here's another: he wasn't expelled. He hasn't been banned. His original post was not deleted by staff. His leaving (which turned out to not mean what it tends to mean) was his choice, as was his deletion of his OP. It has also been said, in this very thread, that his original garage can be unlocked if he so chooses. This, for a member that insulted a member of staff, then immediately followed that post up by suggesting we send another member to hell. Kindest is an unusual choice of words.
 
I also find it ridiculous to "warn" (or should I say "offend"?) a member because he posted a 4-letter Quote in French by a well known writer! C'mon, how childish can you get?
Dunno. Childish enough to make it up, since that didn't actually happen?

A post largely in French (about two thirds, no provided translation) was removed by a member of staff and the person who posted it originally asked why it was removed - to which I responded. No-one was warned. Or "warned". They may have been "offended", but that's not something we can control.
But the worst thing still is, that they have expelled Praiano
And that hasn't happened either. In fact Praiano's access to the site is no different than it was last week.
In my opinion, the best chance for the best result in this case would have been to clean up posts where necessary
This was done. We've copped flak for it for some reason by people who want to paint the staff as incapable of taking on board criticism - rather than because we were simply tidying up expletive-laden abuse levelled at the guys who volunteer to keep the site nice.

Turns out that when people want to believe in something, they'll do so regardless.
and address the two parties privately.
Both parties have been addressed privately before. This time they were addressed publicly and only told they should ignore each other lest the same thing happen again. Only one of them chose to escalate it.

And yet despite all the accusations of being heavy handed, acting in anger, being out to get him and so on and so forth, he remains a member here.
 
Good to know that "behind the scenes" contact does and did occur, but my thoughts on provocative public "arbitration" stand.
 
Good to know that "behind the scenes" contact does and did occur, but my thoughts on provocative public "arbitration" stand.
And then we get accused of hiding things, banning people on the sly and making things up.

Let's face it, Praiano's self-destruction is pretty evident on the forums but we've still got people outraged at this, that and the other that simply aren't true - people still believe he's been banned for his comments to his antagonist despite neither of those things being the case. Imagine if the contact all been done by Conversation, with the abusive comments sent in PM form and he'd been - quite justifiably - banned for it, the outrage would be seen from the next Planet along.


A surprising number of people hate it when they fall foul of the rules that they agreed to and blame the staff for what results from it (plenty don't too). These chaps and chapesses are very eager to jump all over the staff when the situation occurs to someone else who they like. We will be abused whether we uphold the rules or don't, whether it's in public or in private and whether people are banned or not.

I'm amazed we still have so many people willing to be moderators, to be honest.
 
Dunno. Childish enough to make it up, since that didn't actually happen?

A post largely in French (about two thirds, no provided translation) was removed by a member of staff and the person who posted it originally asked why it was removed - to which I responded. No-one was warned. Or "warned". They may have been "offended", but that's not something we can control.

I cannot comment on this, since the post in question has been deleted, so I have to believe @steefpeef that he just quoted a 4-words quote from a world-famous writer, and I have no problem with reading posts in other languages that I can speak.
If it's a language I don't speak, I just don't read it nor comment on it, period.
I hear you saying now "but it's an infringement of the AUP". That is correct, but one could approach things a little more relaxed too.
And if somebody is really afraid that the text in the foreign language contains an offence, we all have Google Translate and I even managed to translate Japanese text written in Japanese characters into German because I had to.
It's a common policy of Mods in nearly all forums to delete posts that are a bit... how should I say... "tasty".
Hard luck for the ones who come too late to make a judgement of their own or build an opinion.

And that hasn't happened either. In fact Praiano's access to the site is no different than it was last week.

I did not mean "expelled" in the sense like when a citizen is expelled from his country.
What I meant was, that all this hassle has made him fed up and turn away in disgust. And this is a reaction I can understand and retrace.
Especially as far as I can see from the posts that have been left over, his opponent is not the "little innocent" he pretends to be, and this "friendship" seems to go on since a long time.
And both of them know that whatever they say to each other will provoke the Opponent even more again.
I agree with you that at a certain point in time they should have rather blocked each other (the cleverer gives in) instead of soldiering on, which does not work out if one of them has a strong sense for justice and feels unjustified repeatedly attacked (or trolled).
However, at the end of the day @praiano63 is fed up enough to leave and that is sad.
I believe that this incident was handled in a very unlucky manner by all persons involved, but you can't uncook a steak.
 
I think you moderators/administrators are pretty fair most of the time. Sometimes you can be a bit too sarcastic though... some people take it the wrong way.
 
What Praiano did on his last deleted thread would have been a solid ground for a ban hammer :( and yet, the staff and @Jordan still give him a chance to come back :). I think this shows that none of GTP staff wanted to see him gone, even when he did things that if I were to do it, I wouldn't be able to type this anymore.

I think some people who keep on blaming the staff haven't seen the big picture. He did all this to himself, he decided on his own accord. I just hope this period of time where he's away from GTP will help him to cool down, and maybe he will come back, make peace with the staff, get his garage running again :)
 
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Remembered this thread long ago that I got told by a friend ( I was a new member back then )

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/400pp-perfection-long-boring-thread.251747/page-2

The history between the two has been for years, but I still surprised an even worse post back then still there :(


I should report this, right ? I just did.

This was aimed at the same guy who started on page 1 with this :

Integra Type R DC2 '99 - 1:30:454 - PL = 86.2%
STOCK engine and weight, 0 ballast




Yeah, of course.... :rolleyes:

So what was your setup for this..??

I think both really need to solve their long running animosity to prevent the same drama happen again and again. Save the staff from cleaning up the mess.
 
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The history between the two has been for years..................................


I think both really need to solve their long running animosity to prevent the same drama happen again and again. Save the staff from cleaning up the mess.

Agreed. They need to get their act together or get out. These Forums don't all revolve around GT6 tunes.

The stuff that was quoted, then deleted (and rightly so ;) ) was not GTPlanet. And hopefully never will be. There is no lack of Forums out there where that is the everyday language of most posts.
What makes GTPlanet apart from that is we try our best to maintain a certain amount of respect for each other - even knowing fully well that the remoteness of surfing the web provides anonymity and some form of physical barrier between us that can open us to such abuse.
When those standards, and the principles of respect that backs them, are callously and haphazardly abused - whether culturally disguised or because of some delusion of grandeur - then a war eventually breaks out.
Even more painful when new members who aren't particularly familiar with the history weigh in on the matter, further exacerbating the situation for everyone concerned.
 
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