Which came first?

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SlipZtrEm
Close. Peugeot.
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Crap, I knew that. I don't know why I said Citroen.

M5Power
Well if you're going to pick from the same brand then toss in Plymouth Neon and Dodge Neon, and - for the hat trick - the European version, the Chrysler Neon.
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Ah, those are all the same car though. The GMC Sprint was based on (Might actually just have been a rebadging) the Chevrolet El Camino, and the Chevrolet Sprint was a Geo Metro clone. Very different cars.
 
Firebird
Actually, the Cavalier was. From 1982 through 1987 the Vauxhall and Chevrolet Cavaliers shared the same chassis.
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But not the same body, right? Because I'm Google-Imaging this, and I'm not recognizing this vehicle, whereas I know someone who drives an 1985 Chevrolet Cavalier so I'm confident on what they look like (since it's in the parking lot every day).

PublicSecrecy
Don't forget the dodge/chrysler/plymouth caravan.
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Not at all. When the vehicles were originally released in 1984, the Dodge model was the Caravan, and the Plymouth was the Voyager. In 1987 they added long-wheelbase models, named the Dodge Grand Caravan and Plymouth Grand Voyager. In 1990, the Chrysler Town & Country was born, completing the trifecta; in 1991 they were all redesigned, then they were redesigned again in 1996 and supposedly again in 2001.

This all stayed exactly the same until the 2000 model year, at which time the Plymouth brand was canned. DaimlerChrysler had to choose between either eliminating the Voyager and making the Caravan the brand's low-cost minivan, or switching brands and making the Voyager a Chrysler, just like Chevrolet did with the Tracker and Prizm when they gave up on the Geo brand. Indeed, they chose to change the name of the vehicle to the Chrysler Voyager and keep everything else the same, however Chrysler took their brand name a different direction and the Voyager didn't sustain - it was cancelled after 2003.

In foreign markets, I believe the model has always been called the Chrysler Voyager, though I don't know how long that's been going on (though I'd be surprised if Chrysler exported it before 1996), which made it all the simpler for Chrysler to rebadge the vehicle when the Plymouth brand fell apart in the US.
 
M5Power
But not the same body, right? Because I'm Google-Imaging this, and I'm not recognizing this vehicle, whereas I know someone who drives an 1985 Chevrolet Cavalier so I'm confident on what they look like (since it's in the parking lot every day).
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No, they didn't share any body panels. They might have shared an engine or two though (1.8L? 2.0L?), and probably shared the rest of the drivetrain.
 
On engines during that time, Cav used...

1982-1983: 1.8 four
1984-1987: 2.0 four

I have no idea what the Vauxhall of the same name used, but I wouldn't be surprised.
 
I looked it up: they didn't quite.

The 1.8L and 2.0L engines were essentially the same, but the Vauxhall had an overhead cam, whereas the Chevy used a pushrod version.

But the SOHC 1.8L and 2.0L were used in the other North American J-bodies.
 
Firebird
But the SOHC 1.8L and 2.0L were used in the other North American J-bodies.
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Indeed - so the Cavalier wasn't related by engine, but essential twins of the Cavalier were.

Meanwhile, Cavalier engines continue to grow - it's at 2.2 now! (if you're of the Cobalt = Cavalier school of thought, and even if you aren't) Though actually they used a V6 for several years in there, so the four's size continues to grow while the average size is actually a bit lower.
 
M5Power
Indeed - so the Cavalier wasn't related by engine, but essential twins of the Cavalier were.

Meanwhile, Cavalier engines continue to grow - it's at 2.2 now! (if you're of the Cobalt = Cavalier school of thought, and even if you aren't) Though actually they used a V6 for several years in there, so the four's size continues to grow while the average size is actually a bit lower.
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There was also a period of time when the Cavalier had a 2.4-liter engine. I think it was used in the Cavalier Z24 for a few model years.

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MrktMkr1986
There was also a period of time when the Cavalier had a 2.4-liter engine. I think it was used in the Cavalier Z24 for a few model years.
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It was also sold in Japan as the Toyota Cavalier 2.4Z
 
MrktMkr1986
The Acura Integra.....or the Honda Integra
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Well, that was just because they don't have "Acura" in Japan. Anywhere they don't sell Acura, the cars are Hondas. We call it the TSX, Japan and Europe call it the Accord. We call it the RL, they call it the Legend still. Same cars, different names because the Acura brand just isn't there, thats all.

Hilg
 
I know that they aren't both cars, but the TVR T350, and the Motorola T350.
 
Ooh! Ooh! I got one!

Toyota Matrix and Hyundai Matrix!
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ultrabeat
I know that they aren't both cars, but the TVR T350, and the Motorola T350.
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That's cool, the first ones I posted weren't both cars...

And I'm going to do it again... :)

Mercedes-Benz C230
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and the Motorola C230 phone

EDIT:deleted pic, link was broken
 
Chrylser Condcorde(sp?)-Concorde the plane:D
Chevrolet Malibu-Malibu Rum
Chrysler Crossfire-Black and Decker Crossfire- The game crossfire
Gilette M3 Shaver- BMW M3


Edit- Geo Metro- Austin Metro
 
Well, if you're going to do that you can just include 'most cars with names'; they're mostly all named after something.
Surprisingly, these are real words!:
Previa
Lumina
Escudo
Corolla
Tercel
Scirocco
Tuscan

Not words (not in english, anyway):
Impreza
Celica
Corrado
Passat
Toureg
Cerbera
Camaro
Virage
 
Touareg is a tribe of peoples in Africa, iirc.
 
Emohawk
Not words (not in english, anyway):
Impreza
Celica
Corrado
Passat
Toureg
Sugga (psst, are you paying attention?)
Cerbera
Camaro
Virage
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Touareg was a revamped spelling of the Tuareg. The Tuareg (pronounced "twa-reg") are a west African tribe that live somewhat nobadic lives. Interesting people really.

Corrado is an italian name. Made a little more famous with the Sopranos, but a real name none the less.

Camaro is a funny one. When GM was first designing the Camaro to combat the Mustang, they weren't sure what to call it. They decided on Camaro, because in an old French dictionary it meant "friend" or "companion", which is fine. But, then Ford also found a translation they liked. In an old Spanish dictionary it was found to mean "small, shrimp-like creature", so you choose.

Virage means "to turn" in French. Fits a sports car fairly well, actually.

Hilg
 
SlipZtrEm
Touareg is a tribe of peoples in Africa, iirc.
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That's correct... here's a link with more info.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/T/Tuareg.asp

But why a car company would do something like that makes absolutely no sense.


They might as well name it Aztec. Oops! Pontiac already did that!
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Well how about the Apache. Doh! That's Chevrolet!
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Maybe the Cherokee name might work... Damn! Taken by Jeep!
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Oh I know! Comanche! Err.. Jeep again.
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(thanks to Firebird for pointing out my error 👍 )

Perhaps Dakota? Nope, it's a Dodge!
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Maybe Navajo then... crap! Ripped by Mazda!
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... and the list goes on. Why do car companies name their cars after certain tribes? Are they trying to capture that particular market? Or are they trying to seem like they are sensitive/tolerant of other peoples? :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
JNasty4G63
Well, that was just because they don't have "Acura" in Japan. Anywhere they don't sell Acura, the cars are Hondas. We call it the TSX, Japan and Europe call it the Accord. We call it the RL, they call it the Legend still. Same cars, different names because the Acura brand just isn't there, thats all.

Hilg
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I'm not sure they do get the RL as the Legend. In fact, I've hypothesized that every Acura ending in 'x' is rebadged overseas, and the two that don't stay the same.

Indeed:

Acura MDX = Honda MDX
Acura NSX = Honda NSX
Acura RSX = Honda Integra
Acura TSX = Honda Accord

While:

Acura RL = not sold
Acura TL = not sold

I know the overseas market used to get the RL as the Legend, but I also know it was cancelled in Europe two or three years ago.

MrktMkr1986
... and the list goes on. Why do car companies name their cars after certain tribes? Are they trying to capture that particular market? Or are they trying to seem like they are sensitive/tolerant of other peoples?
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Might want to check out 'Dakota' - while there's multiple Indian tribes within the Dakotas, while Dakota itself is an Indian word, and while 'Lakota' is a tribe name, I'm not sure that I've ever heard of a tribe called the Dakota.

By the way, I can give you one - Mazda called it the Navajo specifically because of and after the Jeep Cherokee - it's no coincidence. And Pontiac actually spells it 'Aztek' though I agree with you on the intent.
 
Was the Navajo even sold in NA? I've never seen one, but there are a lot of 'USA but not Canada' cars.

The Legend looks like a psychotic Impala. Can't decide if that's a good thing or not.
Interesting that the Inspire = NA Accord, considering that the previous generation Inspire = Acura Vigor (apperently, I don't speak the language the site I got that from is in). The new one looks a lot like an IS300 in profile, too. Never noticed that before.
 

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