Who else is giving up on GT Sport?

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by Will Dias, Nov 16, 2017.

  1. Huzar

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    F7 and PC2 are the better games anyway you wish to slice it.

    Guess what you are not the example of the mass market. Your own experiences are meaningless. It being king in your opinion is irrelevant, this is a business Sales are the only thing that matters and GTSport is not succeeding.
     
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    It's perfectly relevant to me and that's the only thing that matters to me as I am a individual. Do you even have a own opinion or are just part of the mass market? A game is better if it sells better, it is better if the critics say so. I don't need that, I can think for my own. It seems as if you can't.
    Of course my own experience is just relevant to me, I never claimed otherwise. Everyone of us has his own opinion. But at least I am discussing about a game that I like and you waste your time on a game that you hate.
     
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    Sems you are desperate to defend a mediocre game, is it less of a game to you if other think less of it or do you have a mind of your own ?
     
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    For my personal point of view it's exceptional and it's a joy to discuss about it because I can't play it right now, but you are wasting your precious time telling me that it's mediocre. I have already made my own opinion. When I get back home I will race the manufacturer championship and finally the daily race on the Nordschleife. I will have so much fun.
     
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    Go have fun bud, all the power to you.
     
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    Thanks! I never doubted that the game is mediocre for you! If you are disappointed you have very right to be.
     
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    It is, that's a problem for us both.

    The lower it sales the less content you will get at the end. It's just not good business for Sony to support a low seller long term with costly downloadable content unless they charge you for it.

    I'm so pissed PD and especially the inept Kaz could fumble a great franchise so badly, they had everything going for the they had every advantage.
     
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    My login streak ended two days ago. My non login streak will grow until there is new content.
     
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    I don't know what will happen on the long run. But I have to say the truth my expectations are low and I am easily satisfied. The last 2 years I was just racing on AC doing hotlaps with GT3 cars. If there was a daily race on the Nordschleife or Bathurst, I would already be happy. But sure I am missing Le Mans, Spa, Silverstone among other tracks.
     
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  10. PASM

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    Alright alright tone it down, will you? No-one's experience is meaningless and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
     
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    I thought that this game would instantly give me access to the past 2 decades of courses developed by PD, despite those courses being built on different game engines and assets. And all of those ****** GT1 cars should have been Hi Def rendered down to the ashtray because this game is only worthwhile if i can race against a deloraian with my 87' Celica on steroids.

    GT Sport - FAIL
     
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    PCars 2 has a 'sportsmanship system', one that arguably works better than the GTS one does, certainly its less open to 'gaming' than the GTS is.


    It's Livetrack 3.0 and PC2's physics are not now that far behind AC's

    So what? Well the options are that its an experiment that's never repeated and it doesn't get fully supported long term with PD's efforts shifting to a more traditional GT title.

    That's a potential 'what' that could occur.
     
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    I didn't know that PCars 2 has a sportsmanship system, because I haven't played it online yet. Just singleplayer. Or does it have matchmaking? Wait, if I remember correctly the Sportsmanship is in effect in single player as well and seemed to work better then the one in GTS.

    Sorry my mistake, but the Lifetrack 3.0 is awesome. From my personal opinion and some of my friends there is still a gap between AC and PCars 2s Physics, but it's still a big step forward from the first game.
     
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    The penalty system is in place in single player, with the sportsman system in player for on-line.

    Only thing missing is matchmaking, now if they added that in the end result would be amazing, as both the penalty system and play ranking system in PC2 are more robust than GTS.


    Oh I agree that a gap still exists, but it a rather small one now, and for some situations I would actually rate PC2 over AC.
     
  15. SHGTP

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    What's best is personal opinion. Eurogamer, Inside Sim Racing and Easy Allies all rated GT Sport higher than FM7. Eurogamer also advised to avoid PCars 2 until it received a patch overhaul. Each reviewer is also a well known driving game enthusiast, so the views I pay particular attention too.

    It is business and GT Sport is currently on track to match, even exceed, GT6's near 6m total. Even on NPD FM7 sold less than FM6 according to the NPD representative on Resetera. This is significant as FM7 isn't perfoming nearly as well as GT Sport in other, larger (for sims), markets. Even UK launch week sales for GT Sport where 3x higher than FM7. As for PCars 2, it's UK launch week was 14K and hasn't featured in the top 40 since.
     
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    Its all about GTsport, forget the other games, I'm loving it, once they put a couple hundred new cars into it and some more tracks i'll still be loving it
     
  17. Scaff

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    Cherry picking is fun, why not use the Metacritic scores for them?

    One's at 75, ones at 86 and one's at 82.

    Take a guess which ones which.


    Its far, far too early to call GTS's sales in any way at all.

    What we know is that it outsold GT6 at launch, but that's one of the lowest launch titles for a GT title in a very long time, and GTS's 'legs' are not looking as firm as past title in the series.

    Comparing GT sales figures (any of them) with other titles is a false measure as well, GTS sales need to be compared to past GTs.
     
  18. SHGTP

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    The great thing is the fundamentals are so good, all we're really after is more content, and a few format tweaks to online events. In an age when devs often spend months 'fixing' the technical aspects of their games post launch, PD can concentrate on content.
     
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    If you look at the user scores, Two are at 6.1 and 1 is at 5.6. Guess which ones are which. The only reason Project Cars 2 has an inflated metacritic is because the review sites rushed through it and missed the crapload of bugs. At least when I am racing in GT Sport, I can be sure that everyone in my lobby is racing in the same weather. Not so true in Pcars 2.

    Spoiler.
    Project Cars 2 6.1
    GT Sport 6.1
    Forza 7 5.6


    He told you exactly why he used these reviews and I agree. I will take a knowledgeable review from Inside Sim Racing over a Gamespot review that he reviewer doesn't know an apex from that thing at the base of your spine any time. The lowest reviewer scores for Project Cars 2 are the ones that the reviewers spent enough time with the game to see it's flaws. Including the one from this very site.

    Also, all of this is coming from someone who desperately wants to be a Pcars 2 fan and is just waiting on that 150 bug patch to drop. But for all that is good in it, the things that it does worst is what GT Sport does best.
     
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    Metacritic is a blunt instrument with 80+ reviews. Martin Robinson of Eurogamer is the most knowledgeable sim reviewer (and enthusiast) at the major sites. Daniel Bloodworth is Easy Allies' acknowledged racing expert while Inside Sim Racing speaks for itself.

    I also take note of specialist automotive sites which of course aren't listed on Metacritic.

    Motorsport.com

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ews/gran-turismo-sport-review-ps4-967854/amp/

    Top Gear

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.topgear.com/car-news/gaming/gran-turismo-sport-review-collections-out-racings?amp

    Pistonheads

    https://www.pistonheads.com/news/general/gran-turismo-sport-review/36939

    I acknowledge the above sites are specialist and may not reflect the general gamer concensus. But I've always viewed GT as a specialist (console) title that appeals to a particular demographic. Single player campaign apart, all areas of GT Sport are significantly improved from earlier titles that garnered 90+ Metacritic scores. In fact GT6 sits at 82 with a huge campaign and 1000+ cars. Tastes change, but for me GT Sport is moving in the right direction from a gameplay and experience perspective. All I want is more cars and tracks.

    As for sales legs, we are now a month post launch, PD could still make a splash if their DLC impresses. However, the majority of sales will now come from Sony and retailer promotions and bundling. Currently there's a PSVR £249 bundle with either GT Sport or Skyrim. The bundle sold out and hit #1 on Amazon. Like Forza with Xbox, I expect GT Sport to be a staple of bundles for the next 12 months. It's also a family rated title, an often overlooked factor, that stores take note of when putting their bundles together.
     
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    Odd then that the later reviews that have hit on PC2 have increased the overall score. At launch it was 76, which kind of makes such a claim untrue.

    I've ignored user scores for the simple reason they are a biased mess, if you like I can point you in the direction of a member here who gave GTS a 10/10 the moment it was released.

    Also does that mean that GTS released without any bugs or issues at all?


    Citation required.

    In your subjective view, which is exactly why a meta view of professional reviews is the closest we will get to an objective comparison.

    The bold bit is why its cherry picking.

    The specialist audience have always made up the vast bulk of the audience for GT's sales, as such ignoring reviews that target them is a massive mistake if you want to look at the broad appeal of a title in the series.


    Sales volumes and player habits disagree with you, a lot.

    What percentage of players of GT5/GT6/GTS have owned more than ten cars in each title?

    What percentage of racing game fans play on-line?

    What percentage have completed the initial championships in racing titles?

    GT is not a specialist console title, nor has it ever been.

    All of which is currently speculation, hence the reason why I said its too early to say.
     
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    In 90% of games I would completely agree with you. However, racing games(in particular sim-like ones) are a unique genre in that most video game reviewers who are not racing game fans simply will not understand. For that reason, I value the reviews from dedicated sites and reviewers over those of Gamespot, Playstationlifestyle and the lot.

    Of course all of this is subjective, everything in this thread is subjective.
     
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    And if that only applied to GTS you might have a point, but it doesn't so its an apples for apples comparison.

    Its also ignores the fact (and this is not subjective, but very demonstrable) that the majority of people ho buy racing titles on console are gamers first and foremost.

    As such the review of a gamer is a valid review and view for them, hell I could argue that the gamer sites are the ones who are most likely to fawn over the simplified physics engine as if its a second coming, you know like this one that poped a 100 perfect score at launch, only to then downgrade it to an 85.

    http://gamingtrend.com/feature/reviews/racing-triumph-demands-an-audience-gran-turismo-sport-review/

    Hold on, its that what was supposed to be happening with PC2?
     
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    Too bad PC2 online is dead (on PC), I kinda like the system (although /r/simracing holds races sometimes), but GTS' system is a bit closer to iRacing's IMO.
     
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    You can make all the excuses you want and spin things whatever ways you can think of but GTsport is the lowest rated GT ever and lowest rated of F7 and PC2 and it self and it is the lowest rated on amazon.

    Yes and after 4 weeks on sale GTsport has yet to match GT6 release week number in Japan, it being the second largest market for GT in the world.

    GTsport
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    5,439 (182,440)

    GT6 204,784 first week.
     
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    It seems my subjective opinion offended you?

    I think that the reviewer revised his score is a positive thing btw. I wish more reviewers would revisit reviews after the dust has settled.
     
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    Nope, not quite sure how you made that leap.

    Disagreements doesn't equal taking offense.


    They should, but it does show rather clearly that painting other titles as being the beneficiaries of too positive early scores is not actually accurate.

    The matchmaking GTS has, while not perfect, is something that every racing title should have.
     
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    Good.

    Except that I didn't say that, what I said was that rushed reviews missed a lot of issues that the more thorough reviews recognized.
     
  29. Raific

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    Sorry to say that I am also jumping on the bandwagon. I really wanted to continue to enjoy it but with the "Dailies" (weekly removal) changes made, this game gives me nothing to work for outside of just daily chaos. The lack of options annoy me and due to my limited game time, I will spend it elsewhere while they fix their game.

    I am sure I will be back when they add some more long term stuff. But until them, I just have little interest in bumper cars and FPS style randomness.

    I will check in with this community now and again. I am still impressed with the great people in here and positive attitudes.
     
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    I was going to wait for this game to mature before buying it, after GT5 and GT6. however someone purchased it for me as a gift, for which I'm grateful.

    I got it a few weeks ago and already I just don't bother with it, somehow somewhere the GT franchise has lost it's soul you cant really upgrade cars the way you wish, the offline races really are pathetic no real competition, in other words no real career mode. And I expect a very good career mode if i were to buy a game for £60.

    I have not even tried the decal or photoscape mode it really is not why i buy a racing simulator/game, far far too much time has been spent on eye candy rather than making a good game. When it was announced that only 15% of GT was online (and that you have to pay a subscription for) I was happy, but really that certainly did not mean that 85% was good offline game.

    This episode is definitely well below average at least for me. While I am very grateful for the gift of this game, I'm also very happy I didn't spend any of my own money on this. I will spend my gaming budget on PC2.