Will GT5 and the G27 (wheel)?

[BWX]

if paddles don't work like the G27 on GT5P then its not fully functional.

I agree.. :-/

having the clutch to work in GT5 is just icing on the cake. especially when PD never promised support on it.

They never promised shift paddles to work either... :-/ (or buttons, or.....)

 

[z06fun]

My understanding of what was quoted and the current situation is as follows:

- It is a fact that for GT5 Prologue, the paddle shifters and the clutch work on the G25, and for the G27 the paddles do NOT work but the clutch does. So, both have functional clutches.

- It is a fact that the button assignment for the G25 and G27 took place under the DFP menu in GT5 Prologue.

- It is a fact that for the later-released GT5 Academy TT at Indianapolis in the 370Z, the paddles on the G27 worked. For this demo TT the clutch was disabled for G25 and G27. Button assignment for G25 and G27 still took place under the DFP menu.

- It is a fact that through certain modifications, in GT5P with the use of the G25 (and I assume the G27) there was a way to flat-shift using the clutch. This is most obvious in the online time trial leaderboards from users |_|AmiR|_| and |_|UfuK|_| who modified their equipment to allow shifting up without the loss of any power, hence massively better time trial times. This was also possible in races. This in my opinion, is the unfair advantage that they are referring to.

- In the first GT Academy, clutch use was allowed. In the GT5 Academy TT the clutch was disabled, possibly due to the above advantage the modification brings to the G25/27 user's upshifting.

My interpretation is that as a result of this modification's massive advantage over other wheels in regards to the G25 and G27, Polyphony Digital cannot "Officially" support these wheels as Logitech have not created firmware to eliminate the advantage of this modification. I therefore believe that you will still be able to use your clutch on your G25 and G27 in Gran Turismo 5, and maybe the modification to allow flatshifting will still work.

However, if PD go so far as to actually completely disable the clutch for G25, and you have purchased a G27 or G25, the paddles will still work, the pedals and build quality will still be superior to that of a DFGT.

It's my opinion that the clutch will work in GT5, they just cannot officially support the wheels due to the unfair advantage of the modification.

All the best
Maz

This is a good summary, the bold part is what I was thinking too. It seems like for the G25 (and maybe the G27) they could have gotten around this advantage by making you pause the game to enable/disable the clutch. Problem is you can't pause during online racing, so it needs to be mapped to a button for online usage. But I would think they could just not allow you to change modes during a shift, that was the issue. Seems like a simple thing that could be handled in software but who knows.
Does anyone know if the H box shifting worked in the GT Academy TT with a G27? I'm guessing it didn't since you can't have the paddles and H box active at the same time and the G27 has no switch to choose between them. Anyone remember?

Unrelated- Nice to catch you on track last week or whenever that was, was nice to have someone to actually race against:tup:

 

[binici]

Anyone speak french or understand it? This person seems to have the G27 and is playing GT5 already (France)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDcJOcaIuPQ

He also has another video explaining the difference between the G25/27 working with the GT5?

 

[novcze]

Anyone speak french or understand it? This person seems to have the G27 and is playing GT5 already (France)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDcJOcaIuPQ

He also has another video explaining the difference between the G25/27 working with the GT5?

Part 1 is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI5vthwUt6A

and he's probably playing demo of the GT5. He's saying that paddles are working, but no clutch, gear changes can be made with six-speed shifter with auto clutch (my assumption, maybe some french speaking user can clear this up)

This is babel fish translation of his comment:

"Oui les palettes sont fonctionnelles (mode séquentiel) La boite 6 vitesse également ainsi que l'embrayage en mode pro

le G27 est 100% Fonctionnel dans GT 5"

"Yes the pallets are functional (sequential mode) also limps It 6 speed like l' clutch as a pro mode G27 is 100% Functional in GT 5"

 

[Shigegaki]

My understanding of what was quoted and the current situation is as follows:

- It is a fact that for GT5 Prologue, the paddle shifters and the clutch work on the G25, and for the G27 the paddles do NOT work but the clutch does. So, both have functional clutches.

- It is a fact that the button assignment for the G25 and G27 took place under the DFP menu in GT5 Prologue.

- It is a fact that for the later-released GT5 Academy TT at Indianapolis in the 370Z, the paddles on the G27 worked. For this demo TT the clutch was disabled for G25 and G27. Button assignment for G25 and G27 still took place under the DFP menu.

- It is a fact that through certain modifications, in GT5P with the use of the G25 (and I assume the G27) there was a way to flat-shift using the clutch. This is most obvious in the online time trial leaderboards from users |_|AmiR|_| and |_|UfuK|_| who modified their equipment to allow shifting up without the loss of any power, hence massively better time trial times. This was also possible in races. This in my opinion, is the unfair advantage that they are referring to.

- In the first GT Academy, clutch use was allowed. In the GT5 Academy TT the clutch was disabled, possibly due to the above advantage the modification brings to the G25/27 user's upshifting.

My interpretation is that as a result of this modification's massive advantage over other wheels in regards to the G25 and G27, Polyphony Digital cannot "Officially" support these wheels as Logitech have not created firmware to eliminate the advantage of this modification. I therefore believe that you will still be able to use your clutch on your G25 and G27 in Gran Turismo 5, and maybe the modification to allow flatshifting will still work.

However, if PD go so far as to actually completely disable the clutch for G25, and you have purchased a G27 or G25, the paddles will still work, the pedals and build quality will still be superior to that of a DFGT.

It's my opinion that the clutch will work in GT5, they just cannot officially support the wheels due to the unfair advantage of the modification.

All the best
Maz

Always nice to read your write ups in the morning. Keep them coming Maz:tup:

 

[binici]

Part 1 is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI5vthwUt6A

and he's probably playing demo of the GT5

Yes, I noticed that its a demo, sorry for the mislead, but anyhow, looks like the LED lights work and sounds like he is using the H-Shift?

 

[jimbrav]

looks like the LED lights work and sounds like he is using the H-Shift?

yes nice....but the clutch ? working ?

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

If some people are able to post faster laptimes on GT5P by abusing the clutch then I sincerely hope the clutch isn't allowed on GT5.

Im an owner of a G25 but im also a massive fan of hotlapping. Now there is alot of people coming from the racing teams on Forza and it will absolutely kill their enjoyment if people are posting unachieveable laptimes.

The leaderboards should be representative of a players skill and not the equipment they are using. So I personally hope no clutch is allowed on GT5 because then the leaderboards will be fair to everyone.

 

[WhiteAnimal166]

Could be that it's not the case if there's no difference between this demo build and the final one. Copy-pasted from 1 reply directly under the one that was translated with Babelfish by Novcze:

drummermaniac 1 month ago:
Can you use the clutch in this demo ?
Nice to see the working RPM leds in GT5

MixEPsilon 1 month ago @drummermaniac:
Hi, No Clush in this demo

 

[digitalic]

that is really upsetting if thats true. I want to be able to use the clutch, hence the reason i spent $300 for this thing. I really hope you can or at least have the option of letting the user enable/disable the clutch. Really a big step down for a game that boasts itself as the real driving simulator.

 

[Wits]

If some people are able to post faster laptimes on GT5P by abusing the clutch then I sincerely hope the clutch isn't allowed on GT5.

Im an owner of a G25 but im also a massive fan of hotlapping. Now there is alot of people coming from the racing teams on Forza and it will absolutely kill their enjoyment if people are posting unachieveable laptimes.

The leaderboards should be representative of a players skill and not the equipment they are using. So I personally hope no clutch is allowed on GT5 because then the leaderboards will be fair to everyone.

I totally disagree with you on why the clutch should not be allowed. I just bought the 🤬 G27 wheel and I want to use it with the clutch on a 'normal' way. I also love to do hotlaps but my times with a wheel is still slower than with a pad. My fastest laptimes are most times around 200 to 400th place and I don't care about 'cheaters' I just want my G27 to work with everyting in the game. Why must the good allways suffer from the bad!!! If a laptime is doubtfull then just take it from the list and 'cheaters' will stop cheating.

 

[gunsmithx]

Does anyone know if this would also effect the Fanatec's? I needed to buy a new wheel but I'm much less inclined to drop the cash if the clutch is going to be useless.

 

[digitalic]

If I'm unable to play using the clutch on the g27 then this totally ruins the whole "driving experience" of this game. Sigh.

 

[FLIGHT50]

regardless of official support, as long as the G27 is fully functional (paddle works, and ability to activate clutch) I'm happy.

the G27 is pretty much useless in GT5P if u wanted to drive manual in a 7 speed car, since only the shifter worked

Your post was hard to read first off. But saying the g27 is useless in GT5P is inaccurate. The wheel works, the H shifter works, and the clutch works. Those are your basics and they all work fine. Hopefully the final GT5 will give us more usage from the wheel but if not, I won't be upset. After all the g27 is PC hardware. It wasn't designed for the PS3. It just so happens that is works with it if games support it. PD needed specific coding to get the g27 to be 100% functional. With that said, we don't know what all it lacks so we will have to wait til the 24th.

 

[FerrariMarv]

I have a g27(and rig). I want to pop the clutch

 

[WhiteAnimal166]

@IvorBigUn; I understand your logic but don't agree 100% when it comes to your remark: the leaderboards should be representative of a players skill and not the equipment they are using.

The problem is not the equipment and skill you need to deliver good results with that equipment, but the fact that certain controllers may allow abuse or cheating to improve on these results.

Driving a clutch may potentially be quicker YES, not just by simply cheating accoridng to the example, but also when you can do it really really fast and then faster than the game's time to disengage, shift and re-engage. But there's also a lot more actions te be performed and timed in the correct order yet still quickly enough to be faster than the game's programmed to do it. This also increases the chance of errors and wrong shifts into neutral, so unless you're really good the clutch isn't a guarantee to always and certainly be quicker with it than without it.

Some people seem to think it is a no-brainer to clutch and then automatically be faster, but it's not that simple. It's bloody hard work to have an HONEST advantage with the clutch. And if you are that good, it's a reward for all your effort to be a tenth quicker. It's easier lost than gained when driving with a clutch!!!

Like all, I'm of course totally opposed to use cheating to be fast.

Even so, I consider myself not a bad driver but could be faster and more consistent without the clutch. But it is too much of good fun and an intense experience, so I hope clutch will be supported. And if not from the release on, hopefully later after a GT5 patch. Could be arranged if all G25 and G27 users would unite someway.

But first let's see if our fears are justified, or that we will laugh next week when we relealize we've been almost freaking out over a rumour that turned out to be untrue.

 

[novcze]

I understand argument against clutch in online race/time trial but I really don't know why there isn't configuration screen for G25/27. I want to use all six face buttons on G27 not just two.

 

[Pneus Fumants]

Part 1 is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI5vthwUt6A

and he's probably playing demo of the GT5. He's saying that paddles are working, but no clutch, gear changes can be made with six-speed shifter with auto clutch (my assumption, maybe some french speaking user can clear this up)

This is babel fish translation of his comment:

"Oui les palettes sont fonctionnelles (mode séquentiel) La boite 6 vitesse également ainsi que l'embrayage en mode pro

le G27 est 100% Fonctionnel dans GT 5"

"Yes the pallets are functional (sequential mode) also limps It 6 speed like l' clutch as a pro mode G27 is 100% Functional in GT 5"

he's not talking about the gt5 compatibility, he just compare the g25/g27 (sequential H for g25 not g27, force feedback silenter than the g25 .....)
he don't try to ouse the clutch)

Et oui je suis bien français ! s'il vous plait

 

[novcze]

Et oui je suis bien français ! s'il vous plait

Great, so please translate this

"Oui les palettes sont fonctionnelles (mode séquentiel) La boite 6 vitesse également ainsi que l'embrayage en mode pro

le G27 est 100% Fonctionnel dans GT 5"

 

[digitalic]

Yes, translate that.

 

[Beliall]

If some people are able to post faster laptimes on GT5P by abusing the clutch then I sincerely hope the clutch isn't allowed on GT5.

Im an owner of a G25 but im also a massive fan of hotlapping. Now there is alot of people coming from the racing teams on Forza and it will absolutely kill their enjoyment if people are posting unachieveable laptimes.

The leaderboards should be representative of a players skill and not the equipment they are using. So I personally hope no clutch is allowed on GT5 because then the leaderboards will be fair to everyone.

surely a simple icon to denote that a user posted a lap with a clutch would do? Or even a separate leaderboard entirely?

 

[digitalic]

Agreed, if they implement the clutch to be used in GT5 optionally per user. That would be the most logical thing to do. So we can tell whose using a wheel, pad, or a wheel+clutch, etc.

I'm sure PD can release a patch to enable these features.

 

[A.D.I.O.S]

Great, so please translate this

"Oui les palettes sont fonctionnelles (mode séquentiel) La boite 6 vitesse également ainsi que l'embrayage en mode pro

le G27 est 100% Fonctionnel dans GT 5"

i'll do it:


yes, the paddle shifters work (sequential)
the six gear shifter and the clutch are working in pro mode

the g27 is 100% functional in gt5....

 

[digitalic]

ADIOS how do you know for sure? Do you have a leaked copy of the final version of GT5 and the G27?

If the clutch works, this is excellent news! I hope what you say is true! What about the LED lights?

 

[jjaisli]

If some people are able to post faster laptimes on GT5P by abusing the clutch then I sincerely hope the clutch isn't allowed on GT5.

Im an owner of a G25 but im also a massive fan of hotlapping. Now there is alot of people coming from the racing teams on Forza and it will absolutely kill their enjoyment if people are posting unachieveable laptimes.

The leaderboards should be representative of a players skill and not the equipment they are using. So I personally hope no clutch is allowed on GT5 because then the leaderboards will be fair to everyone.

If that's the case they might as well just eliminate wheel users all together so that everybody is on a sixaxis. In Prologue at least, having A wheel was an advantage.

I agree in the sense that an exploit is a problem. But just eliminating the clutch is not the way to handle it.

 

[novcze]

ADIOS how do you know for sure? Do you have a leaked copy of the final version of GT5 and the G27?

If the clutch works, this is excellent news! I hope what you say is true! What about the LED lights?

That is translation we wanted (thanks ADIOS)

 

[BWX]

https://www.gtplanet.net/gt-academy-hits-north-america/
So what, no clutch for Academy? Oh wait clutch doesn't work with flappy-paddle gear shift anyway.

 

[awr117]

PD should remove any top times that use the cheat. Punishing all G27 users due to the fact that a few people have cheated is pathetic. Hopefully the G27 works fine and this is all a misunderstanding.

 

[BWX]

I know I have a G25 and had no idea about that cheat. Plus I hardly think a clutch and stickshift is an advantage compared to paddle shifters..

I might get an answer though..
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4145133#post4145069

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

PD should remove any top times that use the cheat.

Now that is the best answer because then everyone is a winner. I do also think that there should be seperate leaderboards for wheel/pad users.

I just want to add that I really do detest cheaters. In my experience the only racing game on the 360 where the leaderboards weren't cheated on is FM3. This is why I don't want any of this nonsense on GT5.