Will GT5 and the G27 (wheel)?

[objp]

Wait...how is using the clutch cheating? Is using a load cell brake pedal cheating too because its easier to threshold brake consistently?

 

[binici]

ADIOS how do you know for sure? Do you have a leaked copy of the final version of GT5 and the G27?

If the clutch works, this is excellent news! I hope what you say is true! What about the LED lights?

He was translating the video of the French guy playing the GT5 demo who was using the G27.

View the thrid page for the link and other comments.

 

[toMsonsLLC]

Wait...how is using the clutch cheating? Is using a load cell brake pedal cheating too because its easier to threshold brake consistently?

Nah, people like to bitch and moan about everything. They forget they can get a G27 as well and play on it.

Plus, these techniques aren't easy as they want to sound.

 

[trk29]

It's my opinion that the clutch will work in GT5, they just cannot officially support the wheels due to the unfair advantage of the modification.

All the best
Maz

You know what gets me is how can it be unfair if everyone that has the game has the option to buy the wheel. It would be unfair if they only made say 10,000 units. This whole unfair argument is BS.

Anybody and everybody has the ability to use this wheel all they have to do is buy it.

 

[dragm3n]

Too bad....

If the truth is that logitech refused to modify their G27s firmware for that "cheating thing" in GT5,then it will be a FAIL for logitech.
They will lose a lot of sales of the wheel.I ordered the G27 yesterday but i'm going to cancel it now.....

Too bad..

 

[Shigegaki]

Sounds like your just trolling. Considering the fact that many of our members have G27s and those who have them on order. One person who is "canceling their order" will not effect Logitech as a whole, sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[dragm3n]

I had no intention to troll.I'm just angry because i thought it would be possible to play the GT5 with this Wheel.If you ask me it is the best compilation (speaking about quality) BUT this problem comes out now and everything is ruined.
And just because im a poor guy who makes like 500€ a month,believe me when i say 350€ (471$) G27 + Signature edition and not compatible.....Its a bad thing for me.

Edit : I thought of it again...............im not going to cancel.......

 

[Shigegaki]

I understand that your angry with this situation. Everyone in the world is struggling as of right now, so I share your pain. Although you are lucky that your country does get the Signature edition. Trust me, you will be very happy with your new wheel once you get it in. I don't think anyone who has bought a G27 has had a bad experience from what I've read from other members on GTP.

 

[mykem]

With both the G25/G27, you're also getting a higher quality brake and gas pedals. As the owner of both G25 and DFGT, even after doing the squash mod on the the latter's brake pedal, it's no match for the feel of G25's brake- more progressive feel in pedal's resistance which makes modulating a cinch.

Also I've seldom if ever played GT5P using clutch/H-gated shifter despite owning a G25 but I can't say after almost three years of owning the wheel that I made the wrong decision. The only reason I got the DFGT is to use it as a backup wheel in case I decide to send the G25 for ARC_Team mods.

 

[Beliall]

Nah, people like to bitch and moan about everything. They forget they can get a G27 as well and play on it.

Plus, these techniques aren't easy as they want to sound.

I concur, Just tried with clutch and shidter for the first time tonight, its very hard for me, but then I dont drive a real car either. I can see where skill comes in handy

 

[lorve]

look at this, it looks pretty good for me, they are definitely using the flappy pedals
http://www.pressfire.no/nyheter/PS3/2760/Hvem-vinner-av-Petter-og-Henning-i-Gran-Turismo-5-duellen

 

[Pedal-Force]

My hopes:

the clutch is fully supported (with friction point, not an on/off switch like it was in Prologue).

the paddle shifters work

the H-gate works

That's it. I don't care if I have to map the buttons using the DFP or anything, I can figure that much out.

The clutch and paddle and H-gate are basically required for me. The change of the clutch into an actual clutch, not an on/off switch would be a bonus.

Need for Speed Shift does the clutch as a progressive pedal near as I could tell. I was able to put it in 6th gear from a standstill and just slip the clutch to my heart's content to get moving.

In GT5 this just stalls it.

 

[andrez004]

Oh man I really hope this rumor is false. I just bought a fanatec GT3RS, CSP pedals, pedal tuning kit, shifters, and built a cockpit that took me a month! Oh and on the subject about clutch users having an advantage... I don't know a thing about that flat shifting but the wheel I believe is harder to use than a controller. You might be able to be more precise with the wheel but when you have to correct your steering inputs moving a controller stick a fraction of an inch is a lot faster than moving a wheel a half turn. I have been playing with a controller since gt3, and I just hooked up my wheel a few days ago and my lap times are suffering.

 

[Pedal-Force]

Nah, people like to bitch and moan about everything. They forget they can get a G27 as well and play on it.

Plus, these techniques aren't easy as they want to sound.

actually, the "cheat" they're referring to is actually a cheat. You can shift without losing any acceleration at all. It's a glitch, or a mod of the clutch, or something.

Just using a normal G25/G27 isn't sufficient to get the "cheat". You have to do something extra, which I'm not sure of exactly.

I saw a video once, but I can't find it. The guy pushes some new button on his shifter stalk in between each shift, and that allows him to shift completely without taking his foot off the gas, and with 0 shift time.

He's accelerating, and shifts while still accelerating at the same rate.

 

[BWX]

Wait...how is using the clutch cheating? Is using a load cell brake pedal cheating too because its easier to threshold brake consistently?

Nah, people like to bitch and moan about everything. They forget they can get a G27 as well and play on it.

Plus, these techniques aren't easy as they want to sound.

You know what gets me is how can it be unfair if everyone that has the game has the option to buy the wheel. It would be unfair if they only made say 10,000 units. This whole unfair argument is BS.

Anybody and everybody has the ability to use this wheel all they have to do is buy it.

Don't you guys read the thread? Using a clutch is not cheating - no one ever said that.
It was a MOD to the wheel or something. So they "hacked" the wheel somehow to gain advantage. At least that's the theory.


(just quoting relevant part below)

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- It is a fact that through certain modifications, in GT5P with the use of the G25 (and I assume the G27) there was a way to flat-shift using the clutch. This is most obvious in the online time trial leaderboards from users |_|AmiR|_| and |_|UfuK|_| who modified their equipment to allow shifting up without the loss of any power, hence massively better time trial times. This was also possible in races. This in my opinion, is the unfair advantage that they are referring to
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[juwlzx5]

Upshift with without losing any acceleration? Might as well use the paddle shifters then...

 

[BWX]

Upshift with without losing any acceleration? Might as well use the paddle shifters then...

The cheat was obviously faster than paddle shifters, even with paddle shifters there is a delay at least with most cars.

 

[juwlzx5]

The cheat was obviously faster than paddle shifters, even with paddle shifters there is a delay at least with most cars.

Sounds deadly. Cause I always thought that there was almost no delay in shifts for prologue.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

actually, the "cheat" they're referring to is actually a cheat. You can shift without losing any acceleration at all. It's a glitch, or a mod of the clutch, or something.

Just using a normal G25/G27 isn't sufficient to get the "cheat". You have to do something extra, which I'm not sure of exactly.

I saw a video once, but I can't find it. The guy pushes some new button on his shifter stalk in between each shift, and that allows him to shift completely without taking his foot off the gas, and with 0 shift time.

He's accelerating, and shifts while still accelerating at the same rate.

Im glad you made this post as its saved me the bother.

Let me just explain that I myself have a G25 and shall be using it on GT5. Im not saying those who use a wheel have an advantage because as correctly pointed out everyone has the option of buying a wheel.

My point is like you say some are using a cheat that allows them to shift without losing acceleration. Now if this is done by using a mod of the clutch and its possible to use on GT5 then in my opinion it will completely destroy the leaderboards and make them pointless. If this is the case then I hope either PD remove these times or we simply cannot use the clutch on GT5.

Some people will say there not bothered because they only post laptimes in 200th position. However I set my standards higher and aim for the top 10!

 

[BWX]

Sounds deadly. Cause I always thought that there was almost no delay in shifts for prologue.

It depends on the car. Don't you remember in GT4, getting a racing transmission and flywheel and the result was faster shifts? Faster cars usually had faster shifts too.. same in GT5p.

Seriously? Now that delay is still there and adjusted for car/upgrade level etc..

 

[objp]

So its a problem with the transmission model? Allowing the clutch to be depressed without lifting and the shift working? That's actually a legit tactic although its not good for the tranny.

Are these people soldering a button that's used for the clutch under the paddles?

 

[trk29]

Don't you guys read the thread? Using a clutch is not cheating - no one ever said that.
It was a MOD to the wheel or something. So they "hacked" the wheel somehow to gain advantage. At least that's the theory.


(just quoting relevant part below)

I never said that it was cheating. What I was implying was PD thinks that having a clutch is cheating, thats why it wasn't in the TT demo.

And what I was saying people shouldn't get singled out because they are buying more expensive equipment to get fully immersed in a game.

Maybe you should take the time to read the thread.

If some people are able to post faster laptimes on GT5P by abusing the clutch then I sincerely hope the clutch isn't allowed on GT5.

I believe that he is emplying that it is not fair.

 

[Fame_Mcswagg]

actually, the "cheat" they're referring to is actually a cheat. You can shift without losing any acceleration at all. It's a glitch, or a mod of the clutch, or something.

Just using a normal G25/G27 isn't sufficient to get the "cheat". You have to do something extra, which I'm not sure of exactly.

I saw a video once, but I can't find it. The guy pushes some new button on his shifter stalk in between each shift, and that allows him to shift completely without taking his foot off the gas, and with 0 shift time.

He's accelerating, and shifts while still accelerating at the same rate.

I believe they mod their shifter, causing the glitch.

 

[440 CHARGER]

My hopes:

the clutch is fully supported (with friction point, not an on/off switch like it was in Prologue).

Actually, there is a friction point in the clutch for Prologue. It's a very narrow and small friction point, but if you are very careful and let off the clutch very slowly you will be able to notice it. An easy way to tell is to put it in like 3rd gear or higher, put the gas pedal to the floor and let of the clutch nice and easy and the revs will smoothly decline while the car goes into motion.

But it is a very small transition point and I can see how you might not be able to notice it if you are taking into account the distance the clutch pedal goes in and out. Hopefully we will be able to calibrate this in the game so we can make it as short or as long as we would like.

But the G27 is awesome, bottom line. I built my own rig and it is awesome. I highly recommend it for the full racing experience.

 

[Chad D.]

well the clutch problem doesnt truely affect me, (i'm stuck using a tv tray from my G27, and a wooden chair for the shifter, and the tv tray isnt exactly the most stable thing in the world, so i have to put my left foot on the little foot rest like thing to keep it from moving around [the tv tray is against the big tv cabinet thing, so it doesnt move forward, its falling back, and moving left and right thats the problem]) so until i get a better setup, i wont be using a clutch, and i would like to use it trust me (heel-toe downshifting is something i look forward to) but i'm sure that at least they'll have the triangle button push to activate the clutch thing again, but i'm hoping for a setting option PLUS the triangle thing, that would be nice

 

[Boostinamopar]

Not lifting your foot off the gas and shifting (upshifting not downshifting) is called no lift shifting or powershifting... it is not great for trannys but there are electronics that are made for you so you can do this with a car and not hurt your tranny... most turbo charged cars do this to hold boost while shifting so you get no boost lag.. and this is how I would drive on GT5 powershifting every gear all the time... im going to wait it out and see how this wheel works with GT5. And calling no lift shifting a "cheat" is bs.. its called knowing how to race propertly and get every ounce of power out of your car.

 

[SavageWhiteDude]

Im glad you made this post as its saved me the bother.

Let me just explain that I myself have a G25 and shall be using it on GT5. Im not saying those who use a wheel have an advantage because as correctly pointed out everyone has the option of buying a wheel.

My point is like you say some are using a cheat that allows them to shift without losing acceleration. Now if this is done by using a mod of the clutch and its possible to use on GT5 then in my opinion it will completely destroy the leaderboards and make them pointless. If this is the case then I hope either PD remove these times or we simply cannot use the clutch on GT5.

Some people will say there not bothered because they only post laptimes in 200th position. However I set my standards higher and aim for the top 10!

Maybe don't allow the clutch for the online tt leaderboards but if they don't allow it fur the g25 at all I am going to be PISSED. Its a stupid solutions that screws a lot of fans over. If it worked in gtp it BETTER work in gt5. No clutch ruins the whole point of a wheel for me.

 

[JamesWest]

at least need to support like gt5p ( and paddle shifters fix )

that should be ok....

 

[kiwami]

My 1st post but long time reader.

I just got my G27 & being familiar with honda's D,B & k transmissions I went to do a test with the acura RSX "integra" shifting on GT5P.
Power shifted (full throttle+tap of clutch) the rsx & it works like any honda/acura in real life.
The evo's trannies don't allow you to do this kind of shifting in real life so went & tried it with the evo IV & missed gears or wouldn't get into gear at all unless was shifted like you would normally = off the gas & pressing the clutch then back on the gas. So this put a smille on my face cause GT5 has tranny+clutch behavior down to each car.

But the fact that the G27 is being limited due to a few people cheating is a shame.
I hope PD & logitech find a way to fix or dissable the cheating with a future patch.

It be nice if PD could detect the chaters & ban them from onlline gaming.

 

[BWX]

well the clutch problem doesnt truely affect me, (i'm stuck using a tv tray from my G27, and a wooden chair for the shifter, and the tv tray isnt exactly the most stable thing in the world, so i have to put my left foot on the little foot rest like thing to keep it from moving around [the tv tray is against the big tv cabinet thing, so it doesnt move forward, its falling back, and moving left and right thats the problem]) so until i get a better setup, i wont be using a clutch, and i would like to use it trust me (heel-toe downshifting is something i look forward to) but i'm sure that at least they'll have the triangle button push to activate the clutch thing again, but i'm hoping for a setting option PLUS the triangle thing, that would be nice

I use a similar setup. Well it's a small table a chair can fit under, not a TV tray.. but something like that should be easy to find. I just found this 27 pound weight that's only about 7 inches or so in diameter -shaped like a short cylinder. I think it's iron maybe. I put that right in the center of the small table directly in front of the clamped-on G25. It's extremely stable with that weight on there. Maybe try a couple plate weights from a gym with some rubber, (like a mousepad) in between so they don't slide around or damage the wood finish. Mine feels like it's bolted down. I can use the clutch no problem that way, and the whole thing is surprisingly comfortable. You might want to try something like that.