Windows... 10?!?

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Infinital-NG
I'd say not for the masses.

http://arstechnica.com/information-...ke-the-secure-boot-alt-os-lock-out-a-reality/
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That would be illegal to lock your PC to windows 10.

If you have software that can only work in say windows 7 of even XP, you will need to reinstall and use your own key.

This is just more hype.
Secure boot is controlled by the mainboard not the OS and if microsoft does it this not many hardware companies will comply with it as their customer base is Windows 7 and Windows 8 and linux.

And last time I heard Microsoft is providing the linux distros with Secure boot signatures so they can be used with it enabled
 
Ibonibo
All the upgrades do look good on Win10, but time will tell.
Though I have a Xbone feel to it, with Cortana listening,... good that I don't have a mic constant on or a webcam....
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Please.

:yuck:

Just a bunch of what ifs, which honestly sound really unlikely.
 
Just a thought that crossed my mind regarding the upgrading of pirated Windows copies. I'm not very well versed when it comes to that stuff and the idea is basically based on stuff my room mate told me. He's pretty good with pirated software and stuff but he's also a pothead who talks too much, so I don't know what to make of it.

Basically, he told me that pirated versions of Windows can be cracked and activated and so on, to the point that the user can get updates and such directly from the Microsoft servers, without them being able to lock the system down or whatever. So, what if that's actually true and the main reason why they're allowing pirated copies to be upgraded is because making sure that only legit copies of Windows 7 and 8 can be upgraded is too difficult to be worth the effort, given that Windows 10 could be pirated like the versions that came before it, anyway?

With how quickly Win8 came and went, Microsoft can't really charge for Win10 and maybe they realized that they're not going to lose sales by giving free copies to those who aren't willing to pay in the first place?

Regarding the possibility of charging you for continued use after upgrading without mentioning that beforehand... I obviously don't know how that'd go down in other countries, but they'd get torn a new one by lawyers in Germany. Left, right and centre. Hidden fees are something that has been getting a lot of attention in the last few years, to the point that banks (my employer, among others) had to pay huge sums to customers who were billed with fees that are now deemed improper. Plus interest. Not to mention the huge damage it's do to their image.
 
Luminis
Just a thought that crossed my mind regarding the upgrading of pirated Windows copies. I'm not very well versed when it comes to that stuff and the idea is basically based on stuff my room mate told me. He's pretty good with pirated software and stuff but he's also a pothead who talks too much, so I don't know what to make of it.

Basically, he told me that pirated versions of Windows can be cracked and activated and so on, to the point that the user can get updates and such directly from the Microsoft servers, without them being able to lock the system down or whatever. So, what if that's actually true and the main reason why they're allowing pirated copies to be upgraded is because making sure that only legit copies of Windows 7 and 8 can be upgraded is too difficult to be worth the effort, given that Windows 10 could be pirated like the versions that came before it, anyway?

With how quickly Win8 came and went, Microsoft can't really charge for Win10 and maybe they realized that they're not going to lose sales by giving free copies to those who aren't willing to pay in the first place?

Regarding the possibility of charging you for continued use after upgrading without mentioning that beforehand... I obviously don't know how that'd go down in other countries, but they'd get torn a new one by lawyers in Germany. Left, right and centre. Hidden fees are something that has been getting a lot of attention in the last few years, to the point that banks (my employer, among others) had to pay huge sums to customers who were billed with fees that are now deemed improper. Plus interest. Not to mention the huge damage it's do to their image.
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The people that crack windows that come with a VLK or Volume License Key.
These are given to large businesses and schools so all computers have the same key and the admins can just make one image of the system since they tend to use the same computer hardware so drivers wont be an issue.

Or they use a keygen to make up a key and register that key or make the server think it is geniune.
Keygens make up a key by using the verifiers code to get the correct key and there is a slim chance that a key that is generated by these programs matches someones legitimate key.
When Microsoft blacklist a key and the original owner gets slugged they have to contact microsoft and get a new key issued to them.
And with the way microsoft does things these days i wouldn't be suprised if they said tough luck, here is a 50% off code for windows 8.1
 
So Windows is going free to play, with microtransactions? Will I be paying 99pence for a screensaver and £2.50 for the Windows Paint DLC? Season pass?
 
TwinTurbo LM
Microsoft has just said that non-genuine versions of Windows that have been upgraded to Windows 10, they will remain non-genuine. Link
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The way I read it is that the Windows 10 from non-genuine upgrade will function normally but will not be able to be updated (Windows update checks authenticity). So they would remain in an RTM state which is not ideal but a damn site more secure than a dodgy copy of XP incubating viruses we end but suffering from.

I'm currently installing the latest 10 build in Virtual Box to see how it's looking so far.
 
10 is considerably faster than 7 even on my laptop, so I can't imagine how much faster it would be on more entry level stuff. Blew up my computer trying to get Porsche Unleashed to work yesterday, so decided to give 10 a try.
 
Robin.
The way I read it is that the Windows 10 from non-genuine upgrade will function normally but will not be able to be updated (Windows update checks authenticity). So they would remain in an RTM state which is not ideal but a damn site more secure than a dodgy copy of XP incubating viruses we end but suffering from.

I'm currently installing the latest 10 build in Virtual Box to see how it's looking so far.
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How does that work when you have a copy that is a multi-licence, the copy I'm using on this system I got from Makro using the same disc they used to install on the systems there, a mate of mine worked there at the time and let me use it.
 
Robin.
...a damn sight more secure than a dodgy copy of XP incubating viruses we end but suffering from.
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I heard a few days ago that XP support will completely cease at the end of 2015, that's going to kill a lot of the elderly software I use for work :\
 
TenEightyOne
I heard a few days ago that XP support will completely cease at the end of 2015, that's going to kill a lot of the elderly software I use for work :\
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XP support has ended, think it was april 2014 when they stopped supporting it.
 
Grayfox
XP support has ended, think it was april 2014 when they stopped supporting it.
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That was the free support, companies could continue to receive paid updates, essential if they had software that wasn't transferrable. In our case we have a number of large projects that require legacy PDMS for partner/origin reasons.
 
TenEightyOne
That was the free support, companies could continue to receive paid updates, essential if they had software that wasn't transferrable. In our case we have a number of large projects that require legacy PDMS for partner/origin reasons.
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The last I heard extended support was for the foreseeable future provided the companies keep paying. For example the UK government paid MS for extended XP support for their various machines that still require it (due to old software etc).... it cost a FORTUNE!

I surprised that people just don't use Windows 7's XP Mode, surely most legacy software will work in there?

Bigbazz
How does that work when you have a copy that is a multi-licence, the copy I'm using on this system I got from Makro using the same disc they used to install on the systems there, a mate of mine worked there at the time and let me use it.
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I guess it would be treated like a genuine copy and entitled to a genuine copy upgrade.
 
@Ibonibo: Actually, that is a very scary thought. Windows 10 is going to come with the Xbox Live service, but PC users won't have to pay for the service. This move by Microsoft actually pissed a lot of XBO/360 users off.

What if the intention all along is making Windows 10 a subscription-based OS that actually locks you out of your PC unless you pay up?
 
Sanji Himura
@Ibonibo: Actually, that is a very scary thought. Windows 10 is going to come with the Xbox Live service, but PC users won't have to pay for the service. This move by Microsoft actually pissed a lot of XBO/360 users off.

What if the intention all along is making Windows 10 a subscription-based OS that actually locks you out of your PC unless you pay up?
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I doubt it will be like the "gold" they offer the XB, it might be more basic.
And most XB users have windows so they then get it free.

Microsoft wont do a subscripton based OS
They have office 365 but they still sell Office by it self to buy outright.
 
Grayfox
I doubt it will be like the "gold" they offer the XB, it might be more basic.
And most XB users have windows so they then get it free.

Microsoft wont do a subscripton based OS
They have office 365 but they still sell Office by it self to buy outright.
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It was more of a hypothetical that shouldn't be taken real seriously. The idiots that are complaining about the PC users getting free XBL need to know that XBL in this case is more of a DRM measure for PCs, AND if Microsoft so chooses, allow for a somewhat of an open platform for PCs and XBO to play on the same servers.
 
Anyone know if we'll have the option of a clean install or is it just an upgrade where we keep all the crap that's currently on the computer. I'm long overdue for a clean install. My once under 30 second boot time is now over a minute :(
 
There are a few computers around here with the same problem, but the startup timse vary from 45 seconds to 10 minutes. Definitely could do with a clean install.
 
Sanji Himura
@Ibonibo: Actually, that is a very scary thought. Windows 10 is going to come with the Xbox Live service, but PC users won't have to pay for the service. This move by Microsoft actually pissed a lot of XBO/360 users off.

What if the intention all along is making Windows 10 a subscription-based OS that actually locks you out of your PC unless you pay up?
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I'm pretty sure MS is trying to compete with Steam when it comes to gaming on PC. Why would Microsoft put themselves at a disadvantage when Steam doesn't charge a monthly fee? Gamers :rolleyes:

People need to think like businesses to understand them and the moves they make.
 
I'm not happy that the Start screen has now been removed in the latest build. You can only enlarge the Start Menu and it looks seriously ugly.

I understand that most didn't warm to it in 8.1 but they should give people the choice. Older 10 builds had a 'Use the Start Screen' check box in settings which is now gone.
 
Robin.
I'm not happy that the Start screen has now been removed in the latest build. You can only enlarge the Start Menu and it looks seriously ugly.

I understand that most didn't warm to it in 8.1 but they should give people the choice. Older 10 builds had a 'Use the Start Screen' check box in settings which is now gone.
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Microstupid doesn't give people a choice.
They force you to accept the new thing.

Back in 2007 a few people didn't like the ribbon UI for the new office, there were about 30% or so that didnt like it and wanted the old menu UI.
Microsoft basically went accept it.

They did the same with Windows 8.

Instead of giving people a choice they forced people to the new thing as in the beta versions of windows 8 you could go back to the classic menu and you could remove the metro altogether, then they integrated it into explorer.exe to prevent people from doing that.

Microsoft dont really listen to the users, they listen to their shareholders who don't care what it is like to use.

Truthfully I have lost count the number of times I have installed classic shell on peoples computers at work.
It is mainly the elderly customers who get confused.
 
Grayfox
Microstupid doesn't give people a choice.
They force you to accept the new thing.

Back in 2007 a few people didn't like the ribbon UI for the new office, there were about 30% or so that didnt like it and wanted the old menu UI.
Microsoft basically went accept it.

They did the same with Windows 8.

Instead of giving people a choice they forced people to the new thing as in the beta versions of windows 8 you could go back to the classic menu and you could remove the metro altogether, then they integrated it into explorer.exe to prevent people from doing that.

Microsoft dont really listen to the users, they listen to their shareholders who don't care what it is like to use.

Truthfully I have lost count the number of times I have installed classic shell on peoples computers at work.
It is mainly the elderly customers who get confused.
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And yet Microsoft is pretending to be all about listening to what people want with this whole Microsoft insider feedback and freely downloadable build updates thing. Many people have complained about the Start screen being totally nuked and it's yet another knee jerk reaction with MS... they think death of Start screen = instant success which couldn't be further from the truth.

They also need to sort the utterly stupid need of an MS account for Cortana to speak to you. Oh and unify the look of the OS, there are still sections which look like Vista with the same icons!
 
Look at this nonsense... MS removing options all over the place for absolutely no valid reason so you have no choices, only what they want you to have.

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Build 9879 Top, 9926 Bottom.
 
DQuaN
Hopefully Classic Shell will continue to work.
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Last I checked it does.

But I last checked on an old build

If 4.1 doesn't work, the chaps will make an update that will make it work
 

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