WRX STi vs. THE WORLD??

[Speed Drifter]

just now I managed to pull off couple of 1'23.4xx laps using the spec C wrx with your setup and 453 horses - except I had stock suspension - and looks like it's very possible to run laps around 1'21 with that thing, maybe even lower if you get rid of that annoying 40% front torque split
if I had enough patience I could outrun your time, though I don't like at all racing cars that fast, the fun factor just isn't there and it starts feeling so arcadey

 

[Specialized]

hey guys signed on to the forum because my friend (master driver) told me about the little battle that i have started or what he started here and what i started with him. my time on opera as stands 1:21.734 with the sti and master driver for days was wondering why he couldnt match my time. then i told him to use the sti and he was unwilling to use the sti to match my time for the sake of racing. finally he used an sti and the next night (due to sleep and eating) he finally matched. really i know my friend very well we have been friends since we were born i know for a fact that he tried those 20 cars that he said he did in the first post. i know i have a max drive but in the move i think that i lost it so if need be i will go buy another one. i can see how this can be fustrating because master driver was kept busy. With the info that we have gathered i dont see you using another car and getting that time. if so then maybe we were wrong. good luck and safe driving.

Chris your the man... lol Join Team [GT]

i am down

Its pretty sad when one person with multiple GTP accounts has a conversation with themself - so it would seem anyway

Spec...

 

[blkacr05]

To be honest the time itself is still unfortunatly unproven, and while I would hope that it is genuine, we have had many bold claims made in the past that have remained just that. A claim.

Sorry but previous expereience has made most people here wary of claims of this nature. Its why the WRS runs with replay verification.

Regards

Scaff

you know i understand exaclty what you feel because people have made claims of something totally unreachable and never came up with actual evidance. i will go home tonight and i will see if i can find the max drive if not i will go buy it so that i can get some proof up. this is not a claim and like i said i see your concern but it isnt a claim. i will get back to you guys asap to let you know if i found the max drive or not. is there another way to show you like i can use my digital camra record it and post it by tonight if that is the case i dont know i wouldnt want to be accused of editing. but i am definitly willing to do that.

Its pretty sad when one person with multiple GTP accounts has a conversation with themself

Spec...

lol dude i assure you that we are 2 seprate people. i dont know guess you aint up for the challenge.

just now I managed to pull off couple of 1'23.4xx laps using the spec C wrx with your setup and 453 horses - except I had stock suspension - and looks like it's very possible to run laps around 1'21 with that thing, maybe even lower if you get rid of that annoying 40% front torque split
if I had enough patience I could outrun your time, though I don't like at all racing cars that fast, the fun factor just isn't there and it starts feeling so arcadey

still using an sti the point is to get another car and it not be an sti to prove the theory wrong that the STI is the best awd car at this point.

 

[Famine]

blkacr05 - your friend has been admonished TWICE in this thread for multiple posting without using the Edit button. Please do not do this.

 

[Specialized]

lol dude i assure you that we are 2 seprate people. i dont know guess you aint up for the challenge.

well to be honest i dont really care if i cant beat 1.21 as i know there are always going to be people better than me at any game i play. For the sake of wasting bandwith im not going to continue with pointless arguements. You can say you won this argument if that makes you feel better too becuase im again not that bothered. I will come back with a vid proving i can beat 1.21 in a road car made buy a majour manufactuer with under 500bhp and on SM tyres. Thats the criteria right?

Spec...

 

[MasterDriver]

You guys are insane.. i'm telling the truth.. Like i said im' posting up a video of this replay taking by a digi camera tonight to shut you newbie chumps up... Obivously if u think its a bit too fast, you dont got skills to keep up

Specialized - yes thats the critera, its not about who can run the fastst lap in the STi its aobut who can Compete with the STi using a different car.. either way its getting interesting.

 

[Specialized]

You guys are insane.. i'm telling the truth.. Like i said im' posting up a video of this replay taking by a digi camera tonight to shut you newbie chumps up... Obivously if u think its a bit too fast, you dont got skills to keep up

a road car made by a majour manufactuer with under 500bhp and on SM tyres. Thats the criteria right???

Spec...

 

[blkacr05]

blkacr05 - your friend has been admonished TWICE in this thread for multiple posting without using the Edit button. Please do not do this.

sorry if i in any shape or form sound necrotic...... i will make sure to try my best in responding in one post.
yes the is the criteria for it and it isnt an argument we are opening this because we were wondering if it is true if the STI could be the one to be this fast around the track. we figured if we tried and couldnt and than maybe one of you guys could so we could get an idea of what is the best car for this track because in our trials nothing has compaired to the STI that is all. sorry to those who think that this is turning into an argument or battle.

This isn't going anywhere good, and it's getting there fast.

Take it to the WRS, which is an established place for proving your "skills". Prove who's a chump and who isn't there. Until then, simmer down and save it. And don't bother posting a videocam replay - go get a Max Drive instead. They're not that hard to find.

Maxdrive or memcard replays, independently verified, are the only thing that cuts any ice at all in the real OLR world.

i will try to find my max drive.

 

[Famine]

You guys are insane.. i'm telling the truth..

Yes, great. Clue: STOP saying it. It's written down on the screen in text format. It doesn't matter how many more times you say it, as the previous ones are still there.

The only thing you have left to contribute on this front is a replay of the laptime. Until then, I suggest that this "discussion" - from ALL sides - should move onto the back burner. The words mean nothing - only the replays speak.

However:

Like i said im' posting up a video of this replay taking by a digi camera tonight to shut you newbie chumps up...

Two points. Firstly you are the newbie here. By virtue of the fact that you are a newbie here.

Secondly, insulting people will lead nowhere but a ban.

Now, do as I suggest. Keep it buttoned about your time until you post a replay of it. Similarly, other people who challenge your time should also only post their time when they have a replay. I know Specialized and know that his next post will include his replay.


blkacr05 - Thank you!

 

[Duke]

You guys are insane.. i'm telling the truth.. Like i said im' posting up a video of this replay taking by a digi camera tonight to shut you newbie chumps up... Obivously if u think its a bit too fast, you dont got skills to keep up

This isn't going anywhere good, and it's getting there fast.

Take it to the WRS, which is an established place for proving your "skills". Prove who's a chump and who isn't there. Until then, simmer down and save it. And don't bother posting a videocam replay - go get a Max Drive instead. They're not that hard to find.

Maxdrive or memcard replays, independently verified, are the only thing that cuts any ice at all in the real OLR world.

 

[MasterDriver]

This isn't going anywhere good, and it's getting there fast.

Take it to the WRS, which is an established place for proving your "skills". Prove who's a chump and who isn't there. Until then, simmer down and save it. And don't bother posting a videocam replay - go get a Max Drive instead. They're not that hard to find.

Maxdrive or memcard replays, independently verified, are the only thing that cuts any ice at all in the real OLR world.

I think you guys are too hardcore, w/o enough to skill, to just believe someone trying to ask a valid question. I'm asking a question that tries to see what car can overtake the STi in this situation, No one said get crazy over a lap time, the point was What car can beat it NOT what HUMAN can beat it.

 

[Swift]

This isn't going anywhere good, and it's getting there fast.

Take it to the WRS, which is an established place for proving your "skills". Prove who's a chump and who isn't there. Until then, simmer down and save it. And don't bother posting a videocam replay - go get a Max Drive instead. They're not that hard to find.

Maxdrive or memcard replays, independently verified, are the only thing that cuts any ice at all in the real OLR world.

And before you ask, "Why isn't a vidcam replay good enough?" It's ok for general things. But when you want to say that "you're the best" you have to be able to show the exact proof. You could get a free video program right now and doctor the video. I'm not saying you would or that it was your plan, but it's possible.

To our knowledge, the GT4 replay encryption hasn't been broken. Hence, the ONLY proof excepted in the WRS is a replay.

I think you guys are too hardcore, w/o enough to skill, to just believe someone trying to ask a valid question. I'm asking a question that tries to see what car can overtake the STi in this situation, No one said get crazy over a lap time, the point was What car can beat it NOT what HUMAN can beat it.

One, Famine and Duke already asked you to relax and get some proof before bringing this up again.

Two, in the world of GT and for this discussion, the driver and car are not seperable. So to say that no other car can beat said time is to say that no other person can beat my time in said car.

But the thing that I find the most humerous, is that you're pretty new to these boards, though you may have been playing GT4 since the day it came out. But for some reason you think you deserve respect and can just jump in here and start up the best GT4 team on the planet. With no proof of the skills you posses or even a track record of posts that contribute to the community. All we get is, "...I got the skills and you newbies will see..." Well we, being the veterans haven't seen anything.

Now, take Famine and Duke's advise, SHUT UP! and come back when you have something more concrete then, "I can do this".

 

[Speed Drifter]

still using an sti the point is to get another car and it not be an sti to prove the theory wrong that the STI is the best awd car at this point.

err do you know why people are first trying it with the spec C WRX? First, they want to know what kind of challenge they're up to and what kind of laps that WRX is able to run. Second, they want to know if it's even possible to run laps as fast as you're claiming, or the skill level needed to do it.
Now after I've studied my opponent I'm ready to search for a suitable FR rival to crush down your record times

 

[Duke]

I think you guys are too hardcore, w/o enough to skill, to just believe someone trying to ask a valid question. I'm asking a question that tries to see what car can overtake the STi in this situation, No one said get crazy over a lap time, the point was What car can beat it NOT what HUMAN can beat it.

Who keeps throwing little jabs in like that one? Who was being so cute about the STi's parts list and settings? And who said they definitely had the skills to compete with the top drivers in the world?

Not us...

All we're saying is stow the attitude and the immaturity until you can back it up in a way the established OLR community accepts.

 

[NiZmOsPeCv]

Not to go off topic but the maxdrive usb flash drive is it any good and the track is opera right? I'll try it .

 

[blkacr05]

Not to go off topic but the maxdrive usb flash drive is it any good and the track is opera right? I'll try it .

yeah it is track opera........ yeah i had a max drive they are good.

 

[MasterDriver]

Now, take Famine and Duke's advise, SHUT UP! and come back when you have something more concrete then, "I can do this".

I've never really liked u. And let me put into perspective,
I DEFINETLY NEVER CHALLENGED ANYONE TO BEAT MY TIME!!! I ONLY CHALLENGED PEOPLE TO COMPETE WITH IT USING A DIFFERNT CAR OTHER THEN THE STI.. SO check yourself my little 16yr old friend

And i also think you MODERATORS have a serious problem with good drivers OUTSIDE of the little OLR ring that you guys founded.. You should be more polite to your guests we are the ones keeping this as one of the #1 GT sites..

Now lets please get back on TOPIC, and forget about who says waht and when...
The THREAD stands!!! Beat or Compete with the times i've provided within the set of Limits, meaning w/0 using the STi... Unless you want to just test yourself against a standing time then thats fine too. But this is primarly to determine a Competitor for the STI

 

[Speed Drifter]

Come on now, guys, you don't need to get so serious on this matter. to me it looks much like MasterDriver wasn't neither being too serious with his question when he originally asked which car could defeat his allmighty WRX
At first he didn't even give us proper settings for his car or other detailed guidelines how we should tune our cars when we try to beat his time!
I don't know about you but being that unspecific is a sign to me that the speaker isn't being overly serious with his subject. Let's take it a little easier and try to have some fun?

 

[MasterDriver]

Come on now, guys, you don't need to get so serious on this matter. to me it looks much like MasterDriver wasn't neither being too serious with his question when he originally asked which car could defeat his allmighty WRX
At first he didn't even give us proper settings for his car or other detailed guidelines how we should tune our cars when we try to beat his time!
I don't know about you but being that unspecific is a sign to me that the speaker isn't being overly serious with his subject. Let's take it a little easier and try to have some fun?

You are a ROCKSTAR, I LOVe U. Finally another normal individual.. IM me we will chat we can be GT buddies

 

[Swift]

I've never really liked u, Infact i think your DS drifting says it all. And let me put into perspective, I DEFINETLY NEVER CHALLENGED ANYONE TO BEAT MY TIME!!! I ONLY CHALLENGED PEOPLE TO COMPETE WITH IT USING A DIFFERNT CAR OTHER THEN THE STI.. SO check yourself my little 16yr old friend

This is so funny. Nothing better then when someone digs themselves into their own hole.

Now...where to begin?

1. I use a DF to race/drift in GT4 - If you did your research you would know that.
2. You did challenge others when you said, "you don't have enough skill" - That's the definition of a challenge, especially online
3. Check my profile for my age - you can click the avatar to check that out.

Man, that's just too good.

Anyway, the moderating staff is NOT trying to become your enemy. We enjoy and welcome new members and people that have skill and experience to bring to the table. But nobody likes a guy can't back what he's throwing out there. The proper way to do this would've been to come out with the proof and then ask if anyone could beat it. You ARE asking if someone could beat that time. It's a time YOU set with YOUR car. So someone would have to beat it with their own car. How is that not a challenge? It may be an inquisitive challenge, but it's still a challenge.

 

[Famine]

And i also think you MODERATORS have a serious problem with good drivers OUTSIDE of the little OLR ring that you guys founded.. You should be more polite to your guests we are the ones keeping this as one of the #1 GT sites..

Yes. We hate all good drivers outside the little OLR ring we founded (apparently). This is precisely why we're competing in the 9 Boards Challenge next month - the sixth such challenge - having hosted the last one, against several other boards, most of whom do not participate in our little OLR ring...

There is a difference though. All 9 Boards drivers are MaxDrive/XPort verified on all their races. In the "Put up or shut up" stakes, they put up, every time.


Now, I spent quite some time on another board before coming here. When we questioned a driver's time, one of two things happened:

• Driver verified time.
• Driver stalled verifying time, forgot, was reminded, stalled some more, then had a hissy fit. Time was removed, driver banned.

Last, but not least, we have 85,000 visitors. What's one less?

Now, please take the advice I gave you earlier. Just let it lie until such a time as you can verify your time - otherwise you end up looking more and more like driver 2 from the situation I described above.

 

[MasterDriver]

This is so funny. Nothing better then when someone digs themselves into their own hole.

Now...where to begin?

1. I use a DF to race/drift in GT4 - If you did your research you would know that.
2. You did challenge others when you said, "you don't have enough skill" - That's the definition of a challenge, especially online
3. Check my profile for my age - you can click the avatar to check that out.

Man, that's just too good.

Anyway, the moderating staff is NOT trying to become your enemy. We enjoy and welcome new members and people that have skill and experience to bring to the table. But nobody likes a guy can't back what he's throwing out there. The proper way to do this would've been to come out with the proof and then ask if anyone could beat it. You ARE asking if someone could beat that time. It's a time YOU set with YOUR car. So someone would have to beat it with their own car. How is that not a challenge? It may be an inquisitive challenge, but it's still a challenge.

it somehow always come down to arguing against people "In power", I wonder why??
let me just say this " I"M SORRY EVERYONE " enough with the flailing around of male genitalia

Now, please take the advice I gave you earlier. Just let it lie until such a time as you can verify your time - otherwise you end up looking more and more like driver 2 from the situation I described above.

Your advice does not apply here,
Ok once again let me explain, I'm not TESTING you wonderful drivers to see if your Better then me in a STi, I'm trying to see if any of you guys can beat or "COMPETE" <--- Being the KEY WORD with the time using something other then the ALMIGHTY STI... IF there is any confusion please read POST #1

 

[Dave_George]

I've never really liked u. And let me put into perspective,
I DEFINETLY NEVER CHALLENGED ANYONE TO BEAT MY TIME!!! I ONLY CHALLENGED PEOPLE TO COMPETE WITH IT USING A DIFFERNT CAR OTHER THEN THE STI.. SO check yourself my little 16yr old friend

And i also think you MODERATORS have a serious problem with good drivers OUTSIDE of the little OLR ring that you guys founded.. You should be more polite to your guests we are the ones keeping this as one of the #1 GT sites..

The phrase "When in Rome..." springs to mind.

When I joined this community last year I discovered the OLR section and joined in, I checked how my times compared with others and got racing (quietly).

Now, like it or not the system for OLR racing pretty much everywhere is to have some way of verifying things, it doesnt just apply to this site. So, if you are indeed a good driver, prove it. Come back when you have a CLEAN replay of your lap which we can have a look at, then, when and if all is good the challenge might be taken up.

To come here with your attitude and to disrespect the people who have to spend time cleaning up forums due to people like yourself (The mods) is in my opinion disgusting. I find the mod team here fair, level headed and more than accomodating of new people.

It is also obvious to me that you seem to have at least 3 personalities (SO FAR) which I find quite disturbing. I for one will not be spending any more time on this until at the very least a replay has been verified of the STI SPEC C lap.

David

 

[MasterDriver]

The phrase "When in Rome..." springs to mind.

When I joined this community last year I discovered the OLR section and joined in, I checked how my times compared with others and got racing (quietly).

Now, like it or not the system for OLR racing pretty much everywhere is to have some way of verifying things, it doesnt just apply to this site. So, if you are indeed a good driver, prove it. Come back when you have a CLEAN replay of your lap which we can have a look at, then, when and if all is good the challenge might be taken up.

To come here with your attitude and to disrespect the people who have to spend time cleaning up forums due to people like yourself (The mods) is in my opinion disgusting. I find the mod team here fair, level headed and more than accomodating of new people.

It is also obvious to me that you seem to have at least 3 personalities (SO FAR) which I find quite disturbing. I for one will not be spending any more time on this until at the very least a replay has been verified of the STI SPEC C lap.

David

NOte i have only 2 names - ONE FOR a racing team that i just made and this one.
Blackacr is my friend who lives about 45mins away from me in New Rochelle,NY

If you notice his time is differnt from my time. Also i said earlier i will supply a digicam replay after work today, that will have to do. I dont ahve a maxdrive and im' not posting this to race people with it. i'm posting it to figure out if anything can beat the STi.

Let me also sound like a child and say: They are the ones that started it...This is the truth. Infact before they posted everything was going well and a buncha people left good feedback, Just cause i Boasted about my skills it doesnt call for me to get flamed

But this isnt about ones Skillz its about the differnce in the cars.

 

[Famine]

Your advice does not apply here,
Ok once again let me explain, I'm not TESTING you wonderful drivers to see if your Better then me in a STi, I'm trying to see if any of you guys can beat or "COMPETE" <--- Being the KEY WORD with the time using something other then the ALMIGHTY STI... IF there is any confusion please read POST #1

Oh, but it does. You see, you have nothing to gain by posting any more words - only a replay will do - but everything to lose. The more you talk, the more people just shrug and think it's another mouth-and-trousers driver. Case in point:

I for one will not be spending any more time on this until at the very least a replay has been verified of the STI SPEC C lap.

See?

While you bang on about your ability to match the best in the world, and our relative lack of skill, all you're doing is being irritating, because you are not backing up your claims. This disinclines anyone from cooperating with you - because you are showing no cooperation yourself.


Now... Onto the science.

When testing scientifically, the key is to remove as many variables as possible from the test. You're asking for other drivers in other cars to try to match a time of yours in your car. What would be sensible is trying the other cars people suggest for yourself, removing any driver ability variable. I know that I am faster in an NSX-R than an Impreza SpecC, so for me the SpecC is slower. But the variable is me. YOU should now try the NSX-R. Then you'll have an idea for yourself how the car stacks up.

In fact you should test every car suggested thus far.

 

[Speed Drifter]

All right, I gave it a go with my trusty "Competition Yellow" colored RX7 Type RS-R FD with 493 horses, and fastest lap I was able to pull was 1'25.753 with lots of wheel spin in spite of careful throttle feathering
Again I didn't have any suspension or tranny upgrades and no nitrous either. 1'24 times should be easily possible with tighter LSD and full nos shots but I ran out of time already for today, maybe I'll try it tomorrow as well as transferring the replay save to my computer

 

[blkacr05]

Now... Onto the science.

When testing scientifically, the key is to remove as many variables as possible from the test. You're asking for other drivers in other cars to try to match a time of yours in your car. What would be sensible is trying the other cars people suggest for yourself, removing any driver ability variable. I know that I am faster in an NSX-R than an Impreza SpecC, so for me the SpecC is slower. But the variable is me. YOU should now try the NSX-R. Then you'll have an idea for yourself how the car stacks up.

In fact you should test every car suggested thus far.

that is the whole point i dont mean to keep going i am still going to try to post a vid but the point here is since you are faster with the nsx-r we want you to try to get this time because we wouldnt be able to pop out times with that car because we are at a handycap with that car at least i am because i havent driven it enough so those who are faster with the cars that they use we want to get on there......

 

[MasterDriver]

When testing scientifically, the key is to remove as many variables as possible from the test. You're asking for other drivers in other cars to try to match a time of yours in your car. What would be sensible is trying the other cars people suggest for yourself, removing any driver ability variable. I know that I am faster in an NSX-R than an Impreza SpecC, so for me the SpecC is slower. But the variable is me. YOU should now try the NSX-R. Then you'll have an idea for yourself how the car stacks up.

In fact you should test every car suggested thus far.

Thank you, But i know this.. i'm a programmer for godsakes! I made this thread for the reason, i said in the very first post. I tried 20 or so cars and couldnt find anything to stack up, so i'm asking other people to see if they can come up with something else.


As for your remark about my skills, I Boasted about my Skills ONCE!! and the othre times i was trying to defend myself to say, "Hey guys, Listen Its legitimate, its not impossible to get this time" Maybe with another car but not with the STi..

All right, I gave it a go with my trusty "Competition Yellow" colored RX7 Type RS-R FD with 493 horses, and fastest lap I was able to pull was 1'25.753 with lots of wheel spin in spite of careful throttle feathering
Again I didn't have any suspension or tranny upgrades and no nitrous either. 1'24 times should be easily possible with tighter LSD and full nos shots but I ran out of time already for today, maybe I'll try it tomorrow as well as transferring the replay save to my computer

Once again SpeedDrifter, Thank you for sticking to the post and i truly TRULY hope you get into the 1'22--->1'21 range, however, let me just say, im' doubtful the RX-7 will be able to break into that range


P.S. I disagree with what blackacr says.. Its a simple concept that i couldnt beat his time with anything buy his own STi.. Case In Point!

 

[Famine]

Thank you, But i know this.. i'm a programmer for godsakes! I made this thread for the reason, i said in the very first post. I tried 20 or so cars and couldnt find anything to stack up, so i'm asking other people to see if they can come up with something else.

And we have. But it makes no sense for me to test my suggestions because they will be faster than my SpecC but not necessarily faster than yours. I don't drive Opera much either, nor 4WD cars. You should drive my suggestions because I know that in my hands those cars are quicker than the SpecC in my hands - the question is are they quicker in yours. The only way to find out is for you to drive them.

It makes even less sense to aim for a time I have no reason to aim for...

 

[MasterDriver]

And we have. But it makes no sense for me to test my suggestions because they will be faster than my SpecC but not necessarily faster than yours. I don't drive Opera much either, nor 4WD cars. You should drive my suggestions because I know that in my hands those cars are quicker than the SpecC in my hands - the question is are they quicker in yours. The only way to find out is for you to drive them.

It makes even less sense to aim for a time I have no reason to aim for...

I guess so if you look at it like that... :-/, like i said its more of a car challenge.. Its still a good challenge to try.