WTF! GT4 is NOT online

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Quote:Originally Posted by Cosmic



Wow! Online gaming is not avaible
So sad....I mean , as I sad in another thread : There is so much things to do , you don't need to get online .... Maybe it does suck that there is no online gaming avaible but c'mon!

I still goign to buy it!


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Oh yes, i forgot about Taking lots of pretty pictures and watching the AI race for me.

Quote:Who care's about the crapy AI? If the ai would good as you/me then it would be almost impossible to win




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At least it would be a challenge.

exactly!

what racers want is to be challenged, not all these useless modes that have been created as a compensation for what they still haven't been able to do!!!

there's no way to know what the ai will be like yet, but if i was gonna make a bet, i would bet on the kind of ai you have to race using an underpowered car to get any kind of challenge from when the game hits the stores, but we will see.
that whole thing was fine with me, because i thought i was going to get my challenges from the online mode, not the ai. now they have no online mode, so where is the challenge going to be?

yesterday i learned about the NOS addition which is in itself a disgrace to have in a racing-game -- it would have been ok, if it was limited to drag racing (it might still be) and they had already finished the important parts of the game, which is cars, tracks, physics, ai and online.. not NOS, drag, photo mode, b-spec and drifting <- LMAO, look at those priorities.

this is one letdown too many, Sony and PD! i finally ran out of patience with this one and people need to hear about this... 👎

people who are actually into real auto racing instead of photograpy, spectating and nitrous oxide: you should check out GTR instead, it will even get here before GT4 does: http://www.simbin.se/games/

 

[king jame II]

Hey fellas, im sure we'll all be able to get GT online w/ the vast amount of tunneling equipment out there. Its just going to take a little bit of time and a few very computer inclined people to make it work. Dont worry so much, its still goin to be a great game.
James-

 

[Jedi2016]

... and they had already finished the important parts of the game, which is cars, tracks, physics, ai and online.. not NOS, drag, photo mode, b-spec and drifting <- LMAO, look at those priorities.

this is one letdown too many, Sony and PD! i finally ran out of patience with this one and people need to hear about this... 👎

Icing on the cake, man... GT4 will still have the physics, the cars, the tracks, etc.. that's still the main priority. What do you expect them to say in a press release? That GT4 will have great cars, tracks, physics, etc? We knew this LONG ago, that's not "news". Hence, they let the press release concentrate on previously unannounced features.

You people are starting to sound like the Star Wars fanboys that are whining about the new DVDs.

It makes zero sense to me why someone would choose to NOT buy a product because it has MORE features than they were counting on.. that is just rediculous. And judging from the responses, I'm not the only one who doesn't give a rat's ass about online play... I wouldn't have used it in any event, so the fact that it's missing makes absolutely no difference to me, and others like me. One less thing to skip past on the menus.

 

[code_kev]

Nice one PD idiots.

MS must be pissing their pants in laughter.

 

[SaintKamus]

Mabey PD wernt happy with the quality of online play? Kaz is a perfectionist and wouldnt put anything in the game that wasnt up to scratch. They better have so bloomin amazing AI to make up for it though.

Edit: I cant seem to find it on GTworld.com, are you talking about a different site?

he claims to be a perfectionist, but if he really was one, GT3 would've never got released the way it did, because for a "simulator" GT3 was anything but.

GT4 will still be good, just not nearly as good as it could've been...

 

[code_kev]

LOL everyone gives it the "he's a perfectionist line" as if it's some sort of excuse

 

[SaintKamus]

Icing on the cake, man... GT4 will still have the physics, the cars, the tracks, etc.. that's still the main priority. What do you expect them to say in a press release? That GT4 will have great cars, tracks, physics, etc? We knew this LONG ago, that's not "news". Hence, they let the press release concentrate on previously unannounced features.

You people are starting to sound like the Star Wars fanboys that are whining about the new DVDs.

It makes zero sense to me why someone would choose to NOT buy a product because it has MORE features than they were counting on.. that is just rediculous. And judging from the responses, I'm not the only one who doesn't give a rat's ass about online play... I wouldn't have used it in any event, so the fact that it's missing makes absolutely no difference to me, and others like me. One less thing to skip past on the menus.

what a pompus prick you turned out to be, "because I won't use online, then other people won't either!" sounded like a true arrogant prick. just because YOU wouln't use it, it doesn't mean millions of people wouln't.
i mean, it's not like adding online would make your $hity AI drivers go away ok?
PD blew it with this, end of story. YES the game will still be good, YES people will still play it, who cares? that's not the fu-cking issue at hand here.

 

[GTXLR]

LOL everyone gives it the "he's a perfectionist line" as if it's some sort of excuse

Hes a perfectionist till SONY turn up the Thumb Screws and forces a release.
Ala GT2, GT3 and now GT4!

 

[SaintKamus]

I'm disapointed however not too fussed about it.

After just reading that there will be over 650 cars and NOS.......it makes up

And all those facilities........fantastic.


Mr Kaz if you are reading this now I can truly understand why you've pulled it out, wait for PS3 and then you can perfect what is already perfected 👍

might want to pull your tongue out of his ass right about now, waiting for a fu-cking PS10 wouln't make the lag go away.
all he had to do is include various online modes, "true online racing" in wich only low latency players would be able to compete, and "stream online racing" in wich you watch the stream of other cars being updated at various check points of the track (you can't crash into them, but it would look smooth even on laggy connections), in this mode you'd also have a 100% lag free replay, that would be 100% accurate.
i can't belive he couln't think of something like that, it's very easy to implement, and while it doesn't compare to lag free play on a LAN, it's still a hell'uva lot better than playing versus stupid AI.
what would be the point of having 5 other players if they are just ghosts? easy, if you are overtaken your reaction might be to push the car harder, and doing so could end up in you making a mistake, and watching the reaplays of this would be VERY fun (it was VERY fun in F355 challenge, but you couln't see the ghosts while playing, only in the replay, but it CAN be done easily).
and the "real racing" could be left to people who have very low latency, say less than 80 MS.

 

[Jedi2016]

Heaven forbid I don't jump on the "PD Sucks" bandwagon because it's missing online play... all I did was offer an alternative opinion, and I get called a "pompous prick" for it... that's a new one.

So would you rather I actually participated in this forum, or should I simply lurk and leech the vids and screencaps?

 

[civicgsir]

Hes a perfectionist till SONY turn up the Thumb Screws and forces a release.
Ala GT2, GT3 and now GT4!

EXACTLY!

I'm sure SONY had a bigger hand in this decision than what's being let on.
it very well could be one of a couple things:

1. they are real close, maybe a month or two from finishing it, but they would miss the christmas shopping season & hence miss out on some serious bank.

or

2. they have the online ready & set to go, but they want squeeze as much money out of this game as they can. (ie: network adaptors & the additional disc your likely to have to buy in order to play online)

who knows?

 

[Dave A]

Your all stupid, "GT4 is going to be letdown of biblical proportions" wtf, it's failed to implement one feature at launch which it WILL bring in at a later date when it will work well. Yes it's a dissapointment but it's not going to ruin a great game, which at the end of the day will be a great game because of the way the cars drive, thetracks and how the game is structured with regards to your progress. Online isn't needed to make a great game, and it hasn't been needed in any previouse GT game. And your all missing the bloody point, KY could quite easilly have held GT4 back again to get the online part right, but we would be waiting till mid 2005 for it then, at least now we get GT4 and then the online when it's up to the job. Quit complaining about getting the game now instead of summer 2005.

 

[cudadude2]

Hes a perfectionist till SONY turn up the Thumb Screws and forces a release.
Ala GT2, GT3 and now GT4!

Yeah, well, otherwise I guess He'd never release the game

b

 

[naruto]

I bought the network adaptor for GT4 since Dec
now telling me no online feature ....

Damn it me too!

 

[boombexus]

might want to pull your tongue out of his ass right about now, waiting for a fu-cking PS10 wouln't make the lag go away.

Speaking of tongues, you need to watch yours. No swearing.


Thanks
–Management

 

[Famine]

what a pompus prick you turned out to be, "because I won't use online, then other people won't either!" sounded like a true arrogant prick. just because YOU wouln't use it, it doesn't mean millions of people wouln't.
i mean, it's not like adding online would make your $hity AI drivers go away ok?
PD blew it with this, end of story. YES the game will still be good, YES people will still play it, who cares? that's not the fu-cking issue at hand here.

Please stop insulting other members and trying to bypass the swear filter.

Just because YOU have the equipment to go online with a given PS2 game doesn't mean that "millions" of people do.

Jedi 2016 looked at other responses in this thread before saying "judging from the responses, I'm not the only one who doesn't give a rat's ass about online play". How does that make him pompous, when he's using actual written evidence? You're the one making assumptions.

 

[Draykov]

More confirmation:

Sony drops online from Gran Turismo 4

 

[Jedi2016]

Seems pretty straightforward to me, especially if online problems were the cause of the delays. Personally, I'd rather have the game to play sooner than later, rather than waiting for another six or eight months for them to polish just one feature of an otherwise finished game.

 

[Draykov]

Seems pretty straightforward to me, especially if online problems were the cause of the delays. Personally, I'd rather have the game to play sooner than later, rather than waiting for another six or eight months for them to polish just one feature of an otherwise finished game.

Well, I'll still buy it, no question there. I can't say I'm happy about paying an extra $25 for an online game later that may or may not even has as many features. I mean is that supposed to be like an expansion pack that requires the hard drive or what? Seems iffy. I will be happy to have a GT4, online or no, before the year's end though.

 

[The359]

You know what, if GT4 DID come with online play, we'd have a thread just like this blaming PD because the online play would be so lagged and so crappy that it'd be useless. Did no one read the part of the articles that said that the Sony networks in Europe and Asia aren't up to the task of handling 6 cars online at the same time without huge amounts of lag?

People are going to complain about everything.

Give them a year to perfect it. Heck, give them 2 if they can make it kick ass 👍

 

[Robin]

^ Yeah I agree.......its better to not have it than to have it and its rubbish!.....PD thought that it would be better to get it right.....they probably thought that it would be better to wait and have stuff like 16 cars on the track instead of 4........improvements like that would be well worth waiting for......

 

[tha_con]

lol...man some of you guy's need to RELAX, lmao. You act like you are going to spend your entire day playing GT4 online...it's not really THAT serious...whoa....you guy's are touchy. Since none of you work for PD, or Sony, I see not how you can speak for them or judge their actions, it's really childish, stupid, what's another good word...moronic? I dunno just makes me laugh.

Also, I'm 100% positive that the GT4 online will retail under 40, more than likely at 30 bucks, it's going to be GT4 with out all the play modes, only online play, very similar to Twisted Metal Black: Online. I know I have doubters out there, but think of this, PS2 will be at the end of it's lifespan, and both Microsoft and Nintendo plan to release their new consoles in late 05/ early 06...sony doesn't plan to release until at earliest, late 06, a year behind everyone else...so if they do release GT4 online, it will be their tool to make the PS2 last just a bit longer.

Also, GT5 is already in production, and I'm positive that we'll see it at next years E3, along with information on PS3 yada yada, and I'm going to be there

And Code Kev...you are so an MS fan boy...maybe one day MS will make their own console...instead of making a PC from spare parts and calling it a "console"...oh wait...nope, they won't....

 

[RoyalBobcatGTO]

This is the best news!!! Online was definately going to wreck gt4 since it would depend on the people you play against. Who wants to play against someone you don't know who just keeps ramming you.

 

[GTXLR]

OK OK.
Ive calmed down a bit now.

Its just really annoying, The whole pitch of GT4 was online.
Even before GT3 was completed the talk from PD was online features, it was originally rumuored to be called GT online.
Then we had E3 2003 and the problems became apparent that some difficulties were being experienced, which pushed the game back beyond the anticipated Dec 2003 release.
Then comes E3 2004 with the announcement of November 2004 with online still vaunted.
Sony talks of online trading of cars in Press conference, PD talks about sharing your Fantastic Photos as being one of the elements of the Online Arena.

Shortly after KAZ in an interview states he is now happy he has overcome the Online problems of 2003.

Now all of a sudden some baloney about SONY servers (why the hell hadnt SONY invested here), or net problems in ASIA and Europe (does he mean lack of Broadband availability/use).
All sounds rather lame to me.

And yes I am still dissapointed and the lack of Online to me is a big 👎

Maybe we will see an Online Version, Or maybe we wont, if what ever the net Problems are arent sorted out soon, cant see PD investing too much manpower and commitment to a working on an online expansion pack, that will have limited market especially when they have GT4 portable and GT5 to be working on.

If the game Had it already included you could have expected people to purchase a net adaptor, to experience GT4 online. Even here in this thread you can see the diversity of people, some of whom planned to get into online later on in their GT4 experience, Some from the start, even some of those who say stuff online, may have been swayed if it had been anygood, and seen or heard people here talking about it.
As an add on disc its likely to sell only very limited numbers, only to truly hardcore GTers, and most of all mostly only to those who already have NET connected there PS2, therefore missing out some of those players in the 1st and 3rd groups mentioned above, Although this could also be beneficial in some aspects with most idiot noobs who just want to Sod about online most likely wont buy the Add on disc.

For all our sakes i just Hope PD have done something Marvelous with the opposition AI routine If not the only thing worthwhile could well be Photo Mode, because id rather look at nice high res pictures of cars than watch the scenery go buy as i Lap the AI again.
In fact no, scrap that, theres only one mode i need, even if i have to complete the game to get it.
A fully fledged Featured and selectable event generator, with rock hard AI opponents (preferablly on a sliding scale much like PRD).
For that I would be willing to trudge through all 200+ competitions/events, even against crud AI.

 

[CrAcKaJaP206]

Man i still can't believe this.

I for one am someone who must have online play on MOST games, some games i can enjoy without online(like Fable and GT3). But like I stated b4, this is 2004, damn near 2005, online gaming is not an extra feature, it is the standard. Especially for racing games.

Yes i know not everyone has the capabilities to enjoy online play, but that still does not make it ok for it to not be in a game in 2004. Like i said either way, do not doubt GT4, it will be an awesome game, but in MY eyes it has greatly lost its value, and i can only hope that the online addon will finally give us the chance to enjoy GT4 online.

Oh well Forza will fill my online void.

 

[l33tc4k30fd00m]

The whole pitch of GT4 was online.

Actully KY has always seemed a little bit "uh... yeah guys... about that..." whenever he has been asked about online. This hasn't surprised me in the least and it shouldn't have surprised any of you either.

There is something to learn from all of this and that is...

HYPE KILLS.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Actully KY has always seemed a little bit "uh... yeah guys... about that..." whenever he has been asked about online. This hasn't surprised me in the least and it shouldn't have surprised any of you either.

There is something to learn from all of this and that is...

HYPE KILLS.

That is exactlly right, he often said he could never fix the problems with online play completely. So, why is this such a big shock?

Could it be a framerate issue? Is Kaz still shooting for 60FPS with online play? Seems silly not to lower it to 30, or even 24, if he's having trouble with online play. I'm sure lowering the framerate down should solve some problems he'd having with it.

 

[GTXLR]

Actully KY has always seemed a little bit "uh... yeah guys... about that..." whenever he has been asked about online. This hasn't surprised me in the least and it shouldn't have surprised any of you either.

There is something to learn from all of this and that is...

HYPE KILLS.

This is a recent attitude from KAZ, the original Plan over 3 years ago was for a product called GT Online, KY Himself stated 'when GT3 Is out we will have a short well earned break, then we will be working on the next GT, GT online'

I have learnt something, and that is i should trust my instincts.
When i heard initially back at E3 2003 just how bad the online element actually played, i was convinced Online wouldnt make it, as the problems they had were net related problems that werent going to be sorted out easily. I was quite harshly criticised for my cinisism about Online making the grade at the time, and over time allowed my self be swayed away from that belief, substantiated by Sonys insistance that the game would feature network play.

 

[Dave A]

Agreed, KY has never praised the online aspect, he's always turned his attention away from it and back to the single player game. As for his recent comment that he'd soreted out the onoline problems, I'm guessing thats when they decided to produce GT onlione as a seperate game and release it at a later date when it was all ready.

 

[Omnis]

to think.....fable could have been a diamond in the rough like animal crossing.

HYPE SUCKS! i hate hype....even though im all hype for gt4.

im just keeping my prayers that gt4 will not be disgraced due to a fable-ism.