WTF! GT4 is NOT online

[Famine]

that's why there's level of dificulty even for newbies like you ^_^.

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so that means the AI driver has to be just as good as you.. this is the way to go, not just following a perfect line 100% of the time

If this is your idea of GT3's AI drivers, you've really not played enough of it.

If yet to see ANY AI driver in ANY race take a perfect line on any track. I have, however, seen AI so dumb that it drives straight into walls, and spins off on the same corner every lap.

 

[(G)]

No online in GT4? Well.....


What was the name of that lan tunnel posted earlier?

 

[nasanu]

I was looking forward to GT4 more than I have any other game in my life. Now that there is no online I could hardly give a stuff about GT4. I am extremely dissapionted. I simply can not go back to single player racing, it feels pointless like oval racing. Good thing there is forza then.

Absolutly shattered...

 

[Hajaz]

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[TruenoAE86]

Bah, this is really bad! I mean Online is the only thing that made GT4 different from GT3. GT3 is already so easy I doubt it will take long to completely destroy the AI HP for HP in gt 4. I can already see myself underpowering my street cars for pro races cus of poor driving and stupid tire selection/pit strategies. GT4 is now just GT3 with better graphics and more cars. So dissapointing.

 

[askia47]

that's why there's level of dificulty even for newbies like you ^_^.
if this was AI simulation we'd have a VERY hard time wining most of the time. and that would be just FINE with me, as long as it doesn't stop you from finishing the game, but really, it's the other way around, the more challenging, the most fun, and the better you get.
as long as those challenges come from genuine AI and not cheating like in evry other game, where their cars would just be faster all around.
Forza promises to have REAL AI, that's suposedly bound to the same laws of physics the player is.. so that means the AI driver has to be just as good as you.. this is the way to go, not just following a perfect line 100% of the time, and not by making their cars faster and ignore the laws physics in the game. hopefully GT4 went this route... but it looks to me that instead of improving the MUCH needed AI (specially now that they fukced us over with no onilne play).
so lets get this straight:
no online play means no good oponents, so unless they have genuine AI (more like AI for the first time in their games) the game will get boring fast... there's no fun in beating 100% predictable oponents, and this has always been the case in the GT series. if they didn't get AI right, all they'll have in the end is an extremley nice looking game with great playability but no fun to go with it.

so what if the ai is awesome, how will you view the series. will it tide you over till next year?

 

[askia47]

Bah, this is really bad! I mean Online is the only thing that made GT4 different from GT3. GT3 is already so easy I doubt it will take long to completely destroy the AI HP for HP in gt 4. I can already see myself underpowering my street cars for pro races cus of poor driving and stupid tire selection/pit strategies. GT4 is now just GT3 with better graphics and more cars. So dissapointing.

you dont know that... the game could take you months to complete, just in time for online.

 

[Dave A]

I'd like the AI to be adjustable, take that idea from earlier where depending on your win ratio the AI would choose better cars than yours, but instead of better cars, just improve the AI skill level if it gets oo tough then you starts losing your win ratio will reduce and the AI will slacken off a bit so you can win again, eventually you'll hit a balance where your wining some and losing some and the races are all close.

 

[PjotrStroganov]

you dont know that... the game could take you months to complete, just in time for online.

If the Ai is implemented well that is.

 

[askia47]

If the Ai is implemented well that is.

of course, hopefully the ai will be reramped for the lack of online

 

[Rapidone]

you dont know that... the game could take you months to complete, just in time for online.

That's a good point. GT3 took me over 2 months to complete playing almost none stop, but I was playing in the online racing forums aswell.

If we take our time with GT4 and enjoy it, we should have a full garage of 1000 cars ready, when the online addon is released.

 

[Cosmic]

250 cars is enough in my garage

 

[Famine]

I mean Online is the only thing that made GT4 different from GT3.

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GT4 is now just GT3 with better graphics and more cars. So dissapointing.

That looks to me as if GT4 has more than just the one thing making it different to GT3...

Of course GT2 wasn't just GT with better graphics and more cars? And wasn't that highly disappointing? And look how few copies it sold too. But more importantly look at how PD tried to do too much and rush the game out for baying public hounds only to release a bug-ridden hash.


I guess extracting more graphical performance from the PS2 than anyone thought possible, 50 discreet tracks and nearly 800 cars - all displayed using this unparalleled graphical performance from the PS2 - just isn't enough for some people, eh?


How many people complaining about the lack of "true" online racing in this thread have actually bothered to drive every single car in GT3? How many of you have driven all of the Arcade cars - the ultimate levellers - and participated in online databases, such as those at GT3Times, Racing-Line and the Arcade Car Database at GT Racing Point, databases which are policed for cheats by eminantly qualified racers and replay verifiers to determine the very limits of human capability in the game? How many?

If you don't participate in these databases - which is basically the GT3/GTC/GT4P equivalent of what you'd call "true" online racing - what makes you think that any one of us who do would want to race online against you? How can you know how good you are unless you are racing against the glitterati of GT3 - Arco/Wiese, jmr, Max. E, Mr. P, Slowpoke and the like? What makes you think that online racing against a bunch of numpties whose idea of car control is smashing into you on the inside to turn a corner? Online racing for you will be a hollow experience - filled with hollow victories and hollow losses because you don't want to participate now, so the people who are actually any use don't want to participate against you in the future.


Now shut up your inane, brain-dead whining and be thankful for the game that is about to come out. And remember, the first Gran Turismo only came about as Kazunori Yamauchi wanted a decent racing game for himself. You don't have to buy it, but if you own a PS2 I suggest you probably should.

 

[tiptopcream]

xlink kai
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I joined up today but I can't get it to configure my PS2. This will work with GT4 right? I've played Toca 2 on Xbox using XBC and the play is as smooth as butter, prays GT4 is the same.

 

[Cosmic]

That looks to me as if GT4 has more than just the one thing making it different to GT3...

Of course GT2 wasn't just GT with better graphics and more cars? And wasn't that highly disappointing? And look how few copies it sold too. But more importantly look at how PD tried to do too much and rush the game out for baying public hounds only to release a bug-ridden hash.


I guess extracting more graphical performance from the PS2 than anyone thought possible, 50 discreet tracks and nearly 800 cars - all displayed using this unparalleled graphical performance from the PS2 - just isn't enough for some people, eh?


How many people complaining about the lack of "true" online racing in this thread have actually bothered to drive every single car in GT3? How many of you have driven all of the Arcade cars - the ultimate levellers - and participated in online databases, such as those at GT3Times, Racing-Line and the Arcade Car Database at GT Racing Point, databases which are policed for cheats by eminantly qualified racers and replay verifiers to determine the very limits of human capability in the game? How many?

If you don't participate in these databases - which is basically the GT3/GTC/GT4P equivalent of what you'd call "true" online racing - what makes you think that any one of us who do would want to race online against you? How can you know how good you are unless you are racing against the glitterati of GT3 - Arco/Wiese, jmr, Max. E, Mr. P, Slowpoke and the like? What makes you think that online racing against a bunch of numpties whose idea of car control is smashing into you on the inside to turn a corner? Online racing for you will be a hollow experience - filled with hollow victories and hollow losses because you don't want to participate now, so the people who are actually any use don't want to participate against you in the future.


Now shut up your inane, brain-dead whining and be thankful for the game that is about to come out. And remember, the first Gran Turismo only came about as Kazunori Yamauchi wanted a decent racing game for himself. You don't have to buy it, but if you own a PS2 I suggest you probably should.

Agree!! 👍 Well said 👍

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

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So they tell us its online then whack! LAN play only, what a crock of ****.

This must be wrong,they told that you could play online at GT4!(hope it).

 

[35mm]

This must be wrong,they told that you could play online at GT4!(hope it).

Even after 255 posts, you still doubt it...?

 

[3rdgenracerX]

The removal appears to be due to a problem with Net and servers in parts of ASIA and Europe though, no mention of U.S, so did it work there fine?
If it did the problem is not the code, Its the servers and the broadband network.
This is Something PD are not in control of.
And if they are not in any way able to directly change this, How can you be sure that PD will ever release Online, what will they wait for?
unless of course they could possibly be having to scrap what they have got now and write a complete new set of code with a downgraded online element that works with all the faults of Euro/Asia Net problems.

I have a theroy, maybe Kaz didnt mention anything about the North American network since PD never mentions anything about us? When was the last time that they really mentioned anything specific about NA? Oh yeah I remember, last year when they said we had no chance in heck of getting GT4rolouge. PD has never really mentioned anything about North America in the past, why would they change that now?

 

[PjotrStroganov]

That looks to me as if GT4 has more than just the one thing making it different to GT3...

Of course GT2 wasn't just GT with better graphics and more cars? And wasn't that highly disappointing? And look how few copies it sold too. But more importantly look at how PD tried to do too much and rush the game out for baying public hounds only to release a bug-ridden hash.


I guess extracting more graphical performance from the PS2 than anyone thought possible, 50 discreet tracks and nearly 800 cars - all displayed using this unparalleled graphical performance from the PS2 - just isn't enough for some people, eh?


How many people complaining about the lack of "true" online racing in this thread have actually bothered to drive every single car in GT3? How many of you have driven all of the Arcade cars - the ultimate levellers - and participated in online databases, such as those at GT3Times, Racing-Line and the Arcade Car Database at GT Racing Point, databases which are policed for cheats by eminantly qualified racers and replay verifiers to determine the very limits of human capability in the game? How many?

If you don't participate in these databases - which is basically the GT3/GTC/GT4P equivalent of what you'd call "true" online racing - what makes you think that any one of us who do would want to race online against you? How can you know how good you are unless you are racing against the glitterati of GT3 - Arco/Wiese, jmr, Max. E, Mr. P, Slowpoke and the like? What makes you think that online racing against a bunch of numpties whose idea of car control is smashing into you on the inside to turn a corner? Online racing for you will be a hollow experience - filled with hollow victories and hollow losses because you don't want to participate now, so the people who are actually any use don't want to participate against you in the future.


Now shut up your inane, brain-dead whining and be thankful for the game that is about to come out. And remember, the first Gran Turismo only came about as Kazunori Yamauchi wanted a decent racing game for himself. You don't have to buy it, but if you own a PS2 I suggest you probably should.

Much of what you say is how you enjoyed the GT games. A bit harsh to say that this is the way of enjoying GT and being a real enthousiast. If you didn't mean it that way, please say so, but that is how your reaction comes over on me.

Instead of reacting like this, and actually lowering yourself to the level of some members here, you could try to imagine what effect this announcement has on people. Remember that Sony has been boasting about the online mode and how it would be integrated in the offline mode. Cancelling this (at least for the first version) rips apart the expectation of a lot of gamers, who really where looking forward to measure themselves with other people they have compared lap times with for years. To put it simple: a promise will create expectations. Breaking a promise will get people pissed of. I will not justify their reactions, but I can understand their emotions.

 

[The359]

KY never "promised" anything.

 

[askia47]

xlink kai
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this will let me play gt4 online with other people over the world?!

 

[Hajaz]

I joined up today but I can't get it to configure my PS2. This will work with GT4 right? I've played Toca 2 on Xbox using XBC and the play is as smooth as butter, prays GT4 is the same.

yup, if gt4 has lan mode as advertised on the japanese site, it will work on kai.
Considering new PS2s dont have an ilink port, lan is the way to go for sony

If youre having trouble getting it to work, i recommend posting your exact setup and problem on our forum, or visting our irc channel #xlink on efnet and pming one of the ops

 

[askia47]

so this works for lan games only?

 

[Ruf CTR]

I think PD is playing the fool.... The reason they didn't put in online mode b/c they said the European and Asian "network" wasn't the way they wanted it to be, right???

So what is going to make the online version better when it comes out than what it is now??? They don't have the control over the European and Asian network in their hands, so what are they going to do about it???

Like someone said before, will us Europeans (i also live in Holland/ The Netherlands) and Asian guys get a stripped down online or what???

I ask this again b/c we didn't get an answer of the question some guy asked....

 

[The359]

So what is going to make the online version better when it comes out than what it is now??? They don't have the control over the European and Asian network in their hands, so what are they going to do about it???

Sony will be improving their network constantly. In a year's time it will be up to par.

 

[Ruf CTR]

Sony will be improving their network constantly. In a year's time it will be up to par.

This i understand, BUT, i thought that the problem was with the network (the WWW, as Sony doesn't use their own private gaming network), so what changes can PD make on the WWW??? They don't have any control over it...

 

[The359]

The problem is that Sony's networks aren't fast enough. Hence Sony will be making them faster.

 

[Dave A]

Sony can have it changed and updated, the decision to remove GT4's online and release it at a later will not have been made over lunch, and it is a big thing for Sony and PS2 online is not faring too well, especially compared to X-Box's Live. If Sony didn't have a plan for the network to be improved for PS2 and they were just going to sit on it as it was until PS3 then I don't think they would've mentioned GT going online next year, they may have forced a very below par online mode into GT4 as it is just to say PS2 has GT4 online. even if it was only a rankings board and no actual online races, thety would've put something in GT4 to make that claim.

 

[heero 12]

So they promise us for a year and drop an anvil on our heads? I hope the push it back and make online mode.

 

[tiptopcream]

Sony will be improving their network constantly. In a year's time it will be up to par.

Its up to par now... WRC4 supports 16 players online at the same time on Sony's servers, PD have come up with a feeble excuse saying Europe and Japan is weak, yet everyone who goes online needs broadband in these regions. Its laziness or they can't code net code for toffee.