Your opinion on Racing Softs?

[Saidur_Ali]

I think it is easier to get the maximum out of racing softs as it removes a lot of skill in driving as fast as possible as you can go pedal to the metal so to speak and let the car and tyres do all the hard work. My first online race if I remember correctly was when I went to test the Spa track and everyone was using racing softs. I used a 787B, everyone was running similar powered cars and after first lap, I was like 3-4 seconds a lap faster than the people in the room. I think that is mainly due to people still driving like they are on slower tyres and not attacking the track with the car and not believing the car has the grip that it has.

If there was a TT run with say racing softs and comfort hards on the same combo of say 600PP with same car, I would say the times would be closer on the racing softs leaderboard as the top drivers in the game will have smaller areas to excel in with their extra skill level.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think it is easier to get the maximum out of racing softs as it removes a lot of skill in driving as fast as possible as you can go pedal to the metal so to speak and let the car and tyres do all the hard work. My first online race if I remember correctly was when I went to test the Spa track and everyone was using racing softs. I used a 787B, everyone was running similar powered cars and after first lap, I was like 3-4 seconds a lap faster than the people in the room. I think that is mainly due to people still driving like they are on slower tyres and not attacking the track with the car and not believing the car has the grip that it has.

If there was a TT run with say racing softs and comfort hards on the same combo of say 600PP with same car, I would say the times would be closer on the racing softs leaderboard as the top drivers in the game will have smaller areas to excel in with their extra skill level.

Another unrealistic example. Who in their right mind would take a 700-800 hp street car and race it around a track at 200+mph on comfort soft tires? Yes it can be done in the game, but it's not a realistic example or comparison of tire appropriateness. Compare the right tire on the appropriate PP level of car and I believe the skill level is close to equal.

Why is it that in the two current TT's there aren't thousands of guys clustered around the top time when the TT's are on RH and RS tires? Point and shoot, easy to drive...baloney. 99% of drivers can't get within 20 seconds of the top time at the 'Ring, even though it is by far the most popular track in the game.

 

[avens]

I find it so funny some people think using RS takes driving skills. Well, that's quite common in gaming really, for example cod and halo kids comparing it to quake.

I understand it's natural to defend your activities no matter how silly they are. I just hope those people do realize they are playing an arcade game and not even a simcade when using RS tires with ABS on.

That's why none of that tires supporters will achieve a top1000 finisher in GT academy: RS simply do not take driving skills to use hence you aren't getting better at the game, period.

Another unrealistic example. Who in their right mind would take a 700-800 hp street car and race it around a track at 200+mph on comfort soft tires? Yes it can be done in the game, but it's not a realistic example or comparison of tire appropriateness. Compare the right tire on the appropriate PP level of car and I believe the skill level is close to equal.

Why is it that in the two current TT's there aren't thousands of guys clustered around the top time when the TT's are on RH and RS tires? Point and shoot, easy to drive...baloney. 99% of drivers can't get within 20 seconds of the top time at the 'Ring, even though it is by far the most popular track in the game.

is it? Someone posted a video in which he matched F2010 real life cornering speeds only when using CS tires. Using worse tires than stock is also a common practice in GT academy and similar events.

and the ring is the worst example by far.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Another unrealistic example. Who in their right mind would take a 700-800 hp street car and race it around a track at 200+mph on comfort soft tires? Yes it can be done in the game, but it's not a realistic example or comparison of tire appropriateness. Compare the right tire on the appropriate PP level of car and I believe the skill level is close to equal.

Why is it that in the two current TT's there aren't thousands of guys clustered around the top time when the TT's are on RH and RS tires? Point and shoot, easy to drive...baloney. 99% of drivers can't get within 20 seconds of the top time at the 'Ring, even though it is by far the most popular track in the game.

What about running both tyres in say in lower PP and higher PP, surely that would be more fair by comparing like for like? I would say the average would be with similar tyres, racing softs would make the competition much closer in terms of lap time maximum. It is easier to go flat than have to vary the throttle. The lower PP cars, generally the cars can only go so fast so it is only going to get closer on a short track.

The TT's in general are not usually that competitive for quite a large chunk of the leaderboard. Not everyone has the fastest car and a longer track, skill level and setup also shows as well as time invested. Look at GT Academy, that is very competitive but you can see with Comfort Mediums and endless hours by everyone for quite a while, there is still over a second gap in the top 250 with so many people driving equal cars:

http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/academy/2011/ranking/

Skill level plays a bigger part. If the same event had racing softs with the same car I would have expected the competition to be much closer as it removes the difficulties of driving the car flat out.

 

[Rutter200_VR46]

Skill level plays a bigger part. If the same event had racing softs with the same car I would have expected the competition to be much closer as it removes the difficulties of driving the car flat out.

Hit the nail on the head there. 👍

 

[shmogt]

I don't think they are unrealistic at all it's just you would never put the best possible racing tires on regular cars in real life. I use them on virtually all my race cars for the simple reason of I want the car to be the best it can be. When you have the car fully maxed and as perfect as you can get the rest all lies in your hands onto how fast it can go. If I want to use worse tires I and skid around things I would just grab a drift car and focus solely on the skid. That's just what I personally like tho.

 

[yanaran]

Skill level plays a bigger part. If the same event had racing softs with the same car I would have expected the competition to be much closer as it removes the difficulties of driving the car flat out.

It makes sense to think that but it's actually the opposite. A few months ago I went back and looked at all previous WRS weeks and compared inter-divisional times (D1-2-3) and the trend was clear. The largest gaps between divisions where during weeks that had racing tires, and the weeks that were run on "low" grip were tighter (low here being sport tires most of the time, don't remember if there were any comfort-tyre events).

I think it's simply that softer tires lead to higher speeds, and that in turn requires more skill. At the time noone seemed that interested, so there wasn't much discussion about it.

 

[TankAss95]

I don't think they are unrealistic at all it's just you would never put the best possible racing tires on regular cars in real life. I use them on virtually all my race cars for the simple reason of I want the car to be the best it can be. When you have the car fully maxed and as perfect as you can get the rest all lies in your hands onto how fast it can go. If I want to use worse tires I and skid around things I would just grab a drift car and focus solely on the skid. That's just what I personally like tho.

True, but I try to avoid RS tires most of the time when driving. It's good practice when using lower grade tires (and far more fun, too).

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Hit the nail on the head there. 👍

Good to see someone agrees with me 👍.

It makes sense to think that but it's actually the opposite. A few months ago I went back and looked at all previous WRS weeks and compared inter-divisional times (D1-2-3) and the trend was clear. The largest gaps between divisions where during weeks that had racing tires, and the weeks that were run on "low" grip were tighter (low here being sport tires most of the time, don't remember if there were any comfort-tyre events).

I think it's simply that softer tires lead to higher speeds, and that in turn requires more skill. At the time noone seemed that interested, so there wasn't much discussion about it.

That is due to the factor of a more powerful car. If you ran the same combo with a lower grip tyre, I would expect larger gaps to appear with the same drivers.

 

[mikeonthebike]

Was quite sad over the weekend I tried for 30 minutes to find a 500pp room that I could have some fun in, but couldn't find one that wasn't using Racing Soft tires. Gets a bit frustrating really.

Needless to say that I can't wait for all these people that are used to running Racing Soft tires on their cars to complain about the tires that will be used during GT Academy.

Hahah!!! I can't wait to hear the grumbles

I disagree. For example, I believe it takes a lot more skill to get 100% out of Yellowbird on comfort or sports tires, than it does to get 100% out of it on racing tires.

Like someone else said, RS tires is just like pointing and shooting. It takes a lot more effort and skill when you have to delicately balance a car's weight, power and grip, as if the steering wheel and pedals are made out of butterfly wings.

good post

No one would take their $250,000 Yellowbird to the track and race side by side with other Yellowbirds with CS tires on unless you have both a death wish and extremely deep pockets, nor would anyone likely slap full blown racing slicks on a stock Mazda RX8 for racing.

Really, where would these yellowbird drivers purchase said Comfort soft tires? they don't exist in real world as a comfort anything, real world comfort tires would be sports tires.
That post says you don't grasp the reality of what people are talking about here.

People that think going around a corner at lightspeed on racing softs in gt5 and thinking it to be realistic are a very scary prospect if they ever get behind the wheel of a real car.

 

[yanaran]

saidur_ali: Possible, but there's no clear data to back that as a fact. You're never going to get GT Academy to run two events with the same car but different tires just to test a messageboard theory. Likewise the previous WRS weeks, which in my opinion is the closest you'll ever get to any structured data on the matter, don't really show that either (nor disprove it).

 

[Donald Rumsfeld]

I use the sports tire range (hardness level depends on my desired driving style) for most cars. I will use hard racing tires on race cars; I go to the soft racing tires if I am really getting my ass kicked.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

saidur_ali: Possible, but there's no clear data to back that as a fact. You're never going to get GT Academy to run two events with the same car but different tires just to test a messageboard theory. Likewise the previous WRS weeks, which in my opinion is the closest you'll ever get to any structured data on the matter, don't really show that either (nor disprove it).

You could always run two events side by side on GTPlanet. Something like the Zonda R event we both participated in. It is a high powered car. We could run on say Comfort Hards vs Racing Softs or say Comfort Softs vs Racing Hards. I wonder what the gap will be between all drivers. I think there is a high chance that the gap will be larger with the comfort tyres as people struggling with the racing tyres will find it tougher on the comfort tyres.

Fun fact here if I recall correctly:
There is a tyre better than Racing Softs in the game. I think it is called Racing Super-Softs but we can't access it.

 

[JBanton]

I still think they're alien technology.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The point is not what tires are unrealistic but more what combinations of car and tire are unrealistic. I'll readily concede it's pretty easy to drive a 450 PP car, tuned or not, on RS tires, but to me that's not a relative comparision of skills when it comes to tires. Low pp on hard tires, racing cars on racing tires is a more relevant comparison and if it was so easy on race tires, there wouldn't be 10-20-30 second gaps in online races and there are. Easy to dismiss the TT's when it's by far the largest sampling of drivers in the game, with 10's of thousands of drivers and again, if it was so easy, the leaderboards wouldn't be so spread out, and yet they are just as spread out on racing tires as they are with any other.

I race everything, from Vintage Cars on Comfort Tires to Race cars on RS tires, and the gaps in the field don't seem any bigger or smaller to me. The guys that are good on RS tires are the same guys that are good on CS tires. The guys that aren't good on RS tires are not good on CS tires. Skill is skill period.

What I secretly suspect is that a lot of guys who are so against racing tires, just aren't very good with them. They don't have the skill to enter a 600PP street car room and run 1:09's or 1:10's to be competitive, instead they are running around at 1:12 or 1:13 in the middle of the pack and mad because they aren't easily winning, instead they are being outdriven and just can't take it.

Yes I know about the Ferrari on Comfort tire example but again, it's the exception not the rule like the Yellowbird on a race track at 200 MPH on $195 street tires. What's a real life GT500 Q time? 1:52.xxx to 1:54.xxx? Something like that. So theoretically we should be going online and seeing rooms full of guys running 1:4X.xxx on RS tires in their GT500 car at Suzuka without driving aids. When you find that room let me know because I haven't found it yet in 17 months. In fact I'm hard pressed to find anyone below 1:55 and most guys 1:55 to 2.00. So there's what, 30 cars that disprove the unrealistic grip levels of Race tires?

It's easy to prove anything if you take 1 single data point and ignore the other 1000 data points because they don't fit your theory, or in the case of the TT's, 10's or possibly hundreds of thousands of data points. I don't believe there's anything unrealistic about the grip of the tires just unrealistic combinations of car/tire that can make cars relatively easier to drive.

 

[SAFFY]

Sorry if this was made before... >.>
But yeah, title; what's your opinion on Racing Softs?
I think they're quite unrealistic, but if people want to use them (in a somewhat realistic situation) go ahead, fine by me. However, I get annoyed when I see a road car with these slicks on - a Fiat Panda Super i.e. with Racing Softs - as if it's a touring car.
There's my opinion, what's yours?

It makes sense to use Racing Soft tyres on race cars, sports tyres on sports cars, and comfort tyres on normal cars i.e. Fiat Panda. However, if people don't want to simulate the experience of the car their driving by using the corresponding tyres then thats their way of having fun I guess.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

The point is not what tires are unrealistic but more what combinations of car and tire are unrealistic. I'll readily concede it's pretty easy to drive a 450 PP car, tuned or not, on RS tires, but to me that's not a relative comparision of skills when it comes to tires. Low pp on hard tires, racing cars on racing tires is a more relevant comparison and if it was so easy on race tires, there wouldn't be 10-20-30 second gaps in online races and there are. Easy to dismiss the TT's when it's by far the largest sampling of drivers in the game, with 10's of thousands of drivers and again, if it was so easy, the leaderboards wouldn't be so spread out, and yet they are just as spread out on racing tires as they are with any other.

I race everything, from Vintage Cars on Comfort Tires to Race cars on RS tires, and the gaps in the field don't seem any bigger or smaller to me. The guys that are good on RS tires are the same guys that are good on CS tires. The guys that aren't good on RS tires are not good on CS tires. Skill is skill period.

What I secretly suspect is that a lot of guys who are so against racing tires, just aren't very good with them. They don't have the skill to enter a 600PP street car room and run 1:09's or 1:10's to be competitive, instead they are running around at 1:12 or 1:13 in the middle of the pack and mad because they aren't easily winning, instead they are being outdriven and just can't take it.

Yes I know about the Ferrari on Comfort tire example but again, it's the exception not the rule like the Yellowbird on a race track at 200 MPH on $195 street tires. What's a real life GT500 Q time? 1:52.xxx to 1:54.xxx? Something like that. So theoretically we should be going online and seeing rooms full of guys running 1:4X.xxx on RS tires in their GT500 car at Suzuka without driving aids. When you find that room let me know because I haven't found it yet in 17 months. In fact I'm hard pressed to find anyone below 1:55 and most guys 1:55 to 2.00. So there's what, 30 cars that disprove the unrealistic grip levels of Race tires?

It's easy to prove anything if you take 1 single data point and ignore the other 1000 data points because they don't fit your theory, or in the case of the TT's, 10's or possibly hundreds of thousands of date points.

Your opinion is heavily based on cars performance, not the tyres directly. That is the problem, a car with higher performance levels will most likely cause for bigger gaps for people who can't handle the car. That is why if you use on the same car. both sets of tyres, it might in my opinion cause the gap gets bigger with comfort tyres compared to using racing tyres. Most people in GT5 who are competent enough to go around a track cleanly but maybe not very fast will generally find driving low PP cars easier than high PP cars.

The gaps appear online due to different skill sets, and if the person who can't handle the performance of the cars make a mistake, it will cost a lot of time. However if driver was using comfort tyres in the same car, generally people who are struggling already will be having even more of a tough time keeping it on the track so the gap will be bigger due to skill level required to master the car on comfort tyres is harder in my opinion.

The leaderboard you are referencing to is the recent seasonal I take it. Different setups, different cars, different quality of drivers, long track for drivers with more skill to show their pace advantage. The car is more important though as it is what is hard to master on this track. You are confusing tyres and cars performance as the reason why Racing Soft tyres are harder to master. It is the cars that cause large gaps to appear as mistakes cost more time in a faster car as you are generally driving at a much higher speed.

I don't race much online, maybe less than 20 total short 1-3 lap onlines races so far or something like that on GT5. Anyway I have quite a few very fast drivers on my friend list and generally they run on the lower grip tyres.

Racing soft tyres I don't have no problem with. Good fun the times I've used them, transforms cars to driving like the Red Bull RB6 sort of . I'm maybe more competitive with these tyres as I know they give me a lot of confidence to attack the track with the car. Racing Hard tyres are probably the most realistic out of the Racing tyres.

There is not much data to compare the difference due to different setups, different cars on different tyres on tracks to compare current leaderboard data. I find it strange that people using different cars is not a major issue in comparing gaps to drivers or is that so that it suits your theory to bolster up the numbers. Higher PP, means more of range of cars can be entered for the tens of thousands who participate. If you don't want to compare the tyres using the same car, then why not say about the cars being harder to master, rather than the tyres?

 

[Johnnypenso]

The 2J that dominates the Nurb TT would have more grip on wooden tires than many cars on RS tires. It also comes with a brilliant tune out of the box and only three gears and allowed me to crack the top 400 in one lap on warm tires with no setup. Easy to drive and sticks like glue and tens of thousands of people have the car and yet there aren't tens of thousands of people within 20 seconds of the leader. If racing tires were the great equalizer everyone thinks they are, point and shoot, and so easy to drive, then the Nurb TT would be much, much tighter than it is.

I don't race much online, maybe less than 20 total short 1-3 lap onlines races so far or something like that on GT5. Anyway I have quite a few very fast drivers on my friend list and generally they run on the lower grip tyres.

That tells me you have almost zero online experience about RS tire performance in online racing...lol.

 

[Bottoz]

I wonder if Johnnypenso has ever been to a real track, driven a race prepped car and seen/felt/driven the difference between all season tires, summer tires and racing tires.

I'll repeat this:
Racing Softs add too much grip.

Take a stock, untuned no oil change Z06, 458 or GT-R around Laguna Seca. No Tuning, using Sport Soft tires (similar to a R-compound DOT Tire). You should be able to mimic Randy Pobst's times of 1:34.4, 1:36.4 and 1:36.2. Now add Racing Softs. Now look at your lap times. Racing Softs are not real.

 

[Bushby_23]

I'll use them when racing, and everyone else is on them. If I go into a cruise lobby (or cruise in general), I chuck on comfort mediums at the most, unless the car actually comes with better tyres (semi slicks etc.) in real life.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

The 2J that dominates the Nurb TT would have more grip on wooden tires than many cars on RS tires. It also comes with a brilliant tune out of the box and only three gears and allowed me to crack the top 400 in one lap on warm tires with no setup. Easy to drive and sticks like glue and tens of thousands of people have the car and yet there aren't tens of thousands of people within 20 seconds of the leader. If racing tires were the great equalizer everyone thinks they are, point and shoot, and so easy to drive, then the Nurb TT would be much, much tighter than it is.

I don't race much online, maybe less than 20 total short 1-3 lap onlines races so far or something like that on GT5. Anyway I have quite a few very fast drivers on my friend list and generally they run on the lower grip tyres.

That tells me you have almost zero online experience about RS tire performance in online racing...lol.

It has very good low speed downforce so helps traction greatly. However in high speed corners, it lacks downforce compared to most high performance race cars in the game. It is hard to master the car no matter what tyres you are on and gaps between drivers is also heavily due to the track and it being hard to master with no mistakes. What do you mean by warm tyres? First lap is generally optimal conditions. I highly doubt tens of thousands of people have used this car on this TT. Even if they did, quite a few people just Gold the event for the prizes and leave it. That is why generally it is quite easy to get into top 50 of TT's running only a handful of laps due to lack of competitiveness. Generally only GT Academy leaderboards are seriously competitive. The tyres make it easy to drive, doesn't mean everyone is as fast as each other.

The main thing I don't know about is tyre wear as I have never had online races where I have to pit due to running out of rubber due to short races. I know how in general to get the most out of them over a single lap and that is to brake later and carry more speed into corners and be very hard on the power once getting traction.

By the way people can do low 1:50s in the GT500 cars qualifying with Racing Softs around Suzuka in GT5.

 

[Heath_1]

They make the car grip really well.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I wonder if Johnnypenso has ever been to a real track, driven a race prepped car and seen/felt/driven the difference between all season tires, summer tires and racing tires.

I'll repeat this:
Racing Softs add too much grip.

Take a stock, untuned no oil change Z06, 458 or GT-R around Laguna Seca. No Tuning, using Sport Soft tires (similar to a R-compound DOT Tire). You should be able to mimic Randy Pobst's times of 1:34.4, 1:36.4 and 1:36.2. Now add Racing Softs. Now look at your lap times. Racing Softs are not real.

Again, it's funny how you ignore the fact that racing tires don't seem to produce unrealistic times for GT500 cars on Suzuka, or the TT results which are thousands of data points but even that is not the point I'm trying to make. I wonder if you have actually read any of my posts because none of them were really about whether the grip was realistic other than the example of the GT500 lap times.

My point was and is, it takes a great deal of skill to reach the limits of a car with racing tires on the appropriate car as it does to drive a car with sports or comfort tires, at the appropriate level. Of course it's relatively easy to drive a 450PP car on racing tires just as it's easy to drive a car on CS tires at 300pp. Anyone who thinks it doesn't take much skill to drive 600+PP street cars with 700+ hp on RS tires just hasn't reached the limit of that car/tire combination.

By the way, for direct comparison purposes, what is Randy Pobst time in the Vette at Laguna, on RS tires, with a fully tuned suspension, adjustable LSD, adjustable transmission and upgraded drivetrain components?

 

[Mac K]

Again, it's funny how you ignore the fact that racing tires don't seem to produce unrealistic times for GT500 cars on Suzuka, or the TT results which are thousands of data points but even that is not the point I'm trying to make. I wonder if you have actually read any of my posts because none of them were really about whether the grip was realistic other than the example of the GT500 lap times.

My point was and is, it takes a great deal of skill to reach the limits of a car with racing tires on the appropriate car as it does to drive a car with sports or comfort tires, at the appropriate level. Of course it's relatively easy to drive a 450PP car on racing tires just as it's easy to drive a car on CS tires at 300pp. Anyone who thinks it doesn't take much skill to drive 600+PP street cars with 700+ hp on RS tires just hasn't reached the limit of that car/tire combination.

By the way, for direct comparison purposes, what is Randy Pobst time in the Vette at Laguna, on RS tires, with a fully tuned suspension, adjustable LSD, adjustable transmission and upgraded drivetrain components?

You keep saying Racing Tires, but there happens to be a fairly big difference in grip, etc when comparing Racing Hard to Racing Soft.

 

[Foxiol]

If this game adds qualification to races the point of having Racing Soft tyres will be more important as it is now. In real races drivers uses this type of tyres just to make a good time.
Then in the race is all about strategy because Soft tyres last less than Hard compound but at the same time you can win a second or 2...

This is all talking about real situations...in the game no one is using Racing softs thinking about strategy because most of you make 5 to 10 lap races and just care to win using that tyres. lol

If people care for a little bit of "realism" (long races like 50 laps or something with realistic degradation, races will be fun and entertaining.

My opinion about overall physics and tyres is that everything is a little bit exaggerated in the game but at the same time the purpose of it, is to have an a idea in how hard is to race in real life in a virtual environment.

Too much grip or not the effect is realistic. Drive with a wheel and you´ll see.

 

[Ghoa$t]

Again, it's funny how you ignore the fact that racing tires don't seem to produce unrealistic times for GT500 cars on Suzuka, or the TT results which are thousands of data points but even that is not the point I'm trying to make. I wonder if you have actually read any of my posts because none of them were really about whether the grip was realistic other than the example of the GT500 lap times.

My point was and is, it takes a great deal of skill to reach the limits of a car with racing tires on the appropriate car as it does to drive a car with sports or comfort tires, at the appropriate level. Of course it's relatively easy to drive a 450PP car on racing tires just as it's easy to drive a car on CS tires at 300pp. Anyone who thinks it doesn't take much skill to drive 600+PP street cars with 700+ hp on RS tires just hasn't reached the limit of that car/tire combination.

By the way, for direct comparison purposes, what is Randy Pobst time in the Vette at Laguna, on RS tires, with a fully tuned suspension, adjustable LSD, adjustable transmission and upgraded drivetrain components?

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that point, but the way you presented it made it sound like the people who prefer to not use Racing(softs) tires due to the unrealistic levels of grip it gives certain cars, only do so because they're not skilled enough to "find the limit of the car" on racing tires...

What I secretly suspect is that a lot of guys who are so against racing tires, just aren't very good with them. They don't have the skill to enter a 600PP street car room and run 1:09's or 1:10's to be competitive, instead they are running around at 1:12 or 1:13 in the middle of the pack and mad because they aren't easily winning, instead they are being outdriven and just can't take it.

Understand that at the end of the day, the tires don't really make a difference, the fast guys will always be fast no matter the tire/car combo. It's just that, as far as this game goes, lower pp road cars with lower grip tires makes for better/closer racing than high pp super cars with high grip, and in most cases, unrealistic tires.

 

[Bottoz]

Johnnypenso keeps talking about "thousand points of data", but is only focusing on GT500 @ Suzuka.

Here's another example: take the 07 GT-R @ Nurburg Sports Hard challenge. Many people can achieve that time. Now add Racing Softs... now look at your lap times. Racing Softs add too much, unrealistic grip.

As for Randy's times at Laguna in a tuned Z06. I don't have that data, so I'm not going to bring it up. But feel free to take a STOCK Evora, 458, Z06, LFA or GT-R and mimic THESE times. For R-compound under 100 treadwear tires, select Sports Soft. For others, just use lower grip in game tires. Make no changes to the car, except for Racing Softs. Now look at your lap times. RACING SOFTS ADD TOO MUCH, UNREALISTIC GRIP.

When it's all said and done, GT5 has done an ok job in this game. It's not a perfect SIM... just a game. One thing is for sure though, in GT5, Racing Soft tires are out of this world.

 

[avens]

I think Racing tires as a whole are out of this world.

No one thinks it's even sad that the correct tires for the F2010 are CS and not RH, RM or RS? Or that in GT academy cars use worse tires than stock, but people think the correct ones are always better than those?

In the end the best solution is to consider changing tires as a modification to the car itself, which somehow isn't in GT5.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Johnnypenso keeps talking about "thousand points of data", but is only focusing on GT500 @ Suzuka.

Here's another example: take the 07 GT-R @ Nurburg Sports Hard challenge. Many people can achieve that time. Now add Racing Softs... now look at your lap times. Racing Softs add too much, unrealistic grip.

As for Randy's times at Laguna in a tuned Z06. I don't have that data, so I'm not going to bring it up. But feel free to take a STOCK Evora, 458, Z06, LFA or GT-R and mimic THESE times. For R-compound under 100 treadwear tires, select Sports Soft. For others, just use lower grip in game tires. Make no changes to the car, except for Racing Softs. Now look at your lap times. RACING SOFTS ADD TOO MUCH, UNREALISTIC GRIP.

When it's all said and done, GT5 has done an ok job in this game. It's not a perfect SIM... just a game. One thing is for sure though, in GT5, Racing Soft tires are out of this world.

How are the tires out of this world when the GT500 laps times are very consistent in GT5 vs. real life on RS tires? How do you know what the laps times of the Gt-R would be the Nurb on real RS tires? You don't, you're just pulling stuff out of the air because there's no real life example to compare to in the game.

 

[Bottoz]

It's so hard to explain the feeling of tires to someone who's never been on track.

I do see that GT5 people are hitting 1:52s on Suzuka with a GT500 class car with Racing Softs. The only official real world times I can find are on the SuperGT website... I found a 1:54 in qual. So... that's 2 seconds on magic Racing Softs. At Fuji, last year they ran a 1:34. What are the top notch GT5 drivers doing? I don't know. Perhaps GT5 has goofed up the GT500 cars, or the tracks.

The reason I brought up the 07 GT-R challenge was to use it as a baseline. 'They' say it was on Dunlop SP Sport tires... a decent summer tire. PD thinks that a treadwear 240 summer tire is equal to an in game Sport Hard. I'll agree with that. Now add Racing Softs... it completely changes the characteristics of the car. Racing tires do add grip for sure, but the ammount of grip added by Racing Softs is unrealistic. Once again, if you've ever been on track and compared, felt or tested tires and felt a car with all season, summer and racing slick tires you'd see the light... Racing Softs add too much grip.