I was wondering where the heck you went I share pretty much the same view. Have I changed my mind about Standards? Nope. They're still resolutely last-gen models. Are some of them fun to drive? Yep. Is that "all that matters"? Nope, not for me anyways. It plays an important part, but given the times we're playing GT5 in now, I want a bit more than what Standards can offer. Even the Premiums are behind the curve when it comes to other games (model detail aside), so Standards definitely don't cut it once you look past the physics... again, for me. The Caterham, the Prowler, the Tank Car... fun to actually pitch against competitors now. And my workhorse M3 is finally great to drive. But I still can't admire it from anything than a huge distance away (unlike the '07 model), and I can't sit inside it as I drive. So I hardly touch it. What I want to know is after all the talk about how much effort has been put into the interiors of Premiums... why do we have to resort to glitching to get the camera inside? Another perfectly rational decision from PD... And yes! Bring back B-Spec how it was in GT4... make it optional, not mandatory as a poor excuse for lack of actual series in the game! IncredibleMind - Labeling those who don't share your personal opinion on the game as trolls simply for expressing criticisms isn't a wise choice. Many of the users I've seen who are critical of Standards are people who have been around the boards, and playing various iterations of GT, for years. As has been mentioned a few times over the course of this thread (though, really, nobody should be expected to read the whole thing ), we criticize precisely because we do like the series, and want to see it get better .