Except I doubt you'll see numbers that good. Ever. MPG wise for that engine. Especially if you actually use much of that power with any frequency.
I happen to agree to an extent, I personally would NEVER get even close to 24mpg ever, because of my driving style. HOWEVER, I can tell you that it is possible for this drivetrain to get good numbers as such I posted.
Good gas mileage is high 30's. Good gas mileage for what something is does not mean good gas mileage overall.
I break it into sections. Since it is clear that there will just about always bee several TYPES of cars from saloons, hatchbacks, trucks, SUVs, and crossovers I feel it is a necessity to group these individually in terms of MPG ratings. If an SUV averages 20MPG city and 27MPG highway in any form I consider that decent enough MPG for the type of vehicle. Conversely, a small car that doesn't get in the high 20's city and the middle 30's highway is rather worthless. That is why I said the G8 with those types of numbers is DECENT on the MPG considering that it gets basically the same mileage as SIX CYLINDER saloons that even weigh less.
Power does not equal fun.
Your opinion. Mine differs. Power does not always equal fun--but it does add to the experience. And sometimes brute power is fun all by itself--just ask any classic muscle car owner.
Which can therefore be applied to any car, so what is your point?
So why aren't people yelling at the Germans, then? These get better mileage then the German sedans and similar mileage to some of the Japanese cars, so I don't understand why they are ignored whenever it is time to go on a "fuel mileage is the most important thing ever" speech and only American cars are on the rack.
Difference of opinion, really. I happen to agree, but not everyone has the same opinion of driving fun.
Pretty much agree with what you said.
How was I dictating? I pretty sure the first part of my statement started with "I feel". But really explain to me why one needs 400hp in a street driven car when you can have just as much fun, if not more, in a car with less power. I think the Lotus Elise is still the best example of this.
Like I said, not you specifically but the statement in general is what I was responding to.
Also where did I say anything about a hatchback?
My fault, I thought I read hatchback somewhere.
The price of oil is not going down and there are more and more people on this planet that will be consuming it, so really the last thing the automotive world needs right now is a high horsepowered car that gets poor fuel mileage. Even 24mpg is poor, hell my Cooper's 35mpg isn't what I would consider outstanding for the size of it's engine. If you some how disagree that the price of oil and consequentially the price gas is rising I will be more then happy to entertain your reasoning why.
If you take in the dollar per gallon price versus Europe lets say, 24mpg can be acceptable in the USA because when you add it all up we are paying less than they are but they are getting more mileage--so it reality using my brilliant half-assed maths its a wash.
If you do not disagree then why do you think cars are fine getting a rather poor 24 mpg is acceptable? This is an honest question.
Since I drive an old Camaro that now seems to be getting worse MPG every month, 24mpg is something I would like to have--and 30mpg would be very good. I drove a couple of Nissans, a Honda, and a couple of Focuses (Foci) so I remember what good MPG is. Hell, I'm even considering...*moans* getting one of
these or another Prelude for my next car. My ideas of a P71 Police Interceptor are wonderful and all but I remember vividly one thing about the one I owned before...if I got 12mpg it was a good day. I don't know if I want another gas hog.
I guess my statement was a bit confusing now that I read it. I wasn't talking about family sedans, but rather just making an observation on how you can have fun with less power.
You CAN have fun with less power on certain vehicles, however to simply ignore that you can have equal amounts of fun in a brute power vehicle is sort-sided me thinks. You can't have one without allowing to have the other.
Buy trucks and SUV's all you want, just do not bitch about the cost of fuel when it hits $4.00 per gallon this summer.
People will, and I will be the first to point out this fact. But, take Ford for example, they are putting a 6cyl diesel in the next F150 as well as the EcoBoost twin turbo setup--I can imagine seeing an increase in the MPG while still maintaining the functionality of the truck--people use pickup trucks more than you think. Boats aren't the only thing they are good for.
Poor fuel mileage is unacceptable no matter what. And with engineering you could have both performance and fuel mileage...hell the Audi R8 TDI showed that.
Because countries that either don't care or the price of petrol isn't high enough won't spend the money
if they don't have to. However, GM and Ford are slowly making the right kinds of moves, GM with the cylinder deactivations as well as direct injection and Ford with the EcoBoost plus direct injection. Changes are coming, everyone just has to be patient.
