Zeta News 2.0: New VF Commodore and Chevrolet SS

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The problem with RWD/AWD cars that are decontented into FWD is that they usually suffer from far too many interior compromises to be that useful.
 
It should, given the wider tyres, adjustable between softer and stiffer MRC, and who knows what else. It's also lighter and has bigger brakes than a 599 dreams of. It should be one of the fastest cars around the Burger in history.

err, ZR1 is heavier than Z06 since it's more of a GT car like Ferrari 599/612..
 
err, ZR1 is heavier than Z06 since it's more of a GT car like Ferrari 599/612..

:lol: ZR1 is lighter. Carbon Fiber everything makes sure of that...................right?:scared:
 
Since Z06 has a lot of carbon in it, and there's going to be at least 25kg of supercharger under the hood.... that's a tough call.
 
Eh? FR AND FF?

Like..

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Careful now. A *lot* of metal bending went on under the R40 to get the V8 to fit. It wasn't pretty.

Re-engineering a FWD platform to accept RWD is not fun. This is why things like the Ford C1 platform do have scope for four-wheel drive, but invariably using a transverse powerplant up front - which means FF or AWD, but not necessarily RWD.
 
-> How come there will be a RWD Impala? GM said themselves the there will be no RWD Impala?

-> I would think that this car would be the successor to the Opel Omega, I may be wrong thou. :indiff:
 
RWD Impala...Let's make it a 2 door vert, drop it to the ground, slap on some airbags, wire rims and way too much gold and call it new age SoCal.
 
-> How come there will be a RWD Impala? GM said themselves the there will be no RWD Impala?

They say a lot of things and then do the exact opposite, and it drives me crazy more often than not. These photos seem like pretty decent evidence that they're tinkering with something RWD, and its hard to say what exactly it will be.

It could be Alpha, but the "hybrid chassis" is too good to believe that it isn't true...
 
The Camaro Debut is Coming: August/September

Indy Camaro 2008
General Motors, Chevrolet Division and the Central Indiana Camaro Club would like to announce an exciting new development in the Camaro world. We have now been authorized to release information that the new production Camaros will be in attendance and unveiled at the Indy 08, Back at the Brickyard Event in September. The car will be unveiled at the event and many different models/engine combos will be available for the general public to review. Expect to see many different color combinations as well.

The 'Back at the Brickyard' Event will be happening in Indianapolis Indiana from September 19-21, 2008 at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Hundreds of Camaros, Firebirds, and Pace Car owners will be in attendance to celebrate the unveiling and enjoy this historic event. GM Dignitaries will be in attendance as well to discuss the design, engineering, marketing, and accessories for this new model of Camaro. Vendors will also be on hand displaying their products.

More on the event here, I may have to go...

BUT, then there is this:

Autoblog
We've contacted GM to inquire about the validity of this story, and they tell us that the production Camaro will not debut at this event. It will actually debut BEFORE then at a place TBD. Hmmm... what event takes place before September that would be an appropriate place to debut an iconic muscle car? If you'd all like to meet us at the Coney Island restaurant on Woodward Ave. the Thursday before the Dream Cruise, we'll buy you a coney.

I'd bet about $95 that it'll debut at Woodward in mid-August. Then it will show up in Grand Rapids for our Dream-Cruise the week after. Then it will head down to Indy two weeks later.

The first cars are supposed to be on the roads in Detroit by the end of the year, the main bunch of 'em beginning to roll out in late February or early March.
 
To be honest, I know exactly what it will look like so I don't really care much for the official debut unless something crazy happens there like a SS with an LSA debuting with announced official 'Ring times.
 
Hybrid Commodore Confirmed

Holden, the company that last year sold more V8s than any other time in its 60-year history, will sell a petrol-electric Commodore "within two years" - but it wants the Federal Government to give hybrid cars a tax break.

In a surprise announcement today, General Motors's Asia-Pacific boss Nick Reilly, in Australia for an annual review, said the company would introduce hybrids in the next couple of years.

"Our strength in hybrids tends to be in the larger vehicles so that's where you'll see them first," he said.

" [A hybrid Commodore] could be one of the first hybrids that you will see. I would put
a time frame on that of probably a couple of years."
However, he said, not all car buyers were prepared to pay a premium to drive an eco-friendly car. Hybrid vehicles typically cost about 20 to 30 per cent more than a car with a regular petrol engine.

"Hybrids don't make sense unless you have incentives," he said. "Part of our submission to the Federal Government review into the automotive industry is that there should be some benefit to the consumer."

He said the government should consider tax reductions for so-called "green cars". For the past 30 years, the import tariff on four-wheel-drives - among the thirstiest vehicles on our roads - have attracted a lower tariff than more fuel-efficient passenger vehicles. Today, for example, most 4WDs attract a 5 per cent tariff and most cars attract a 10 per cent tariff.

Despite the push for a more economical Commodore, whose sales are at a 14-year low, Holden said it was also still committed to building V8 performance cars.

"We're going to stay very strong [in V8s]," Reilly said. "You don't wipe out a love and heritage that [Australians] have for those vehicles.

"Although large car [sales] have shrunk by 40 per cent we will still produce high performance cars because it's part of a our heritage and it's what we know. A lot of people in Australia still enjoy them, and we're not reducing our efforts in that area."
 
Hybrid Commodore Confirmed



Now I'm listening. Maybe this will deter the soft Corolla buyers to good cars again.
 
Its not a huge surprise, really. They're talking about doing 2.0T Hybrid versions of the G8 and Camaro here as well. My guess is, however, that GM will end up doing a "drag and drop" of the Two-Mode system out of the Chevy Suburban into the Commodore/G8 given that they already share engines and transmissions. Only difference is, AFAIK, they don't have a RWD version of it available yet. Not like its hard...

I believe that same article discussed HSV going to diesel power, right? There is a lot of talk of them using it in North America too, especially with that new 4.5L unit coming soon.
 
I believe that same article discussed HSV going to diesel power, right? There is a lot of talk of them using it in North America too, especially with that new 4.5L unit coming soon.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=52467
“We’re evaluating our options [regarding greener cars],” says HSV managing director Scott Grant of moves by HSV to reduce its environmental footprint. “We’ve got to consider changes in the market conditions and certainly diesel is becoming an important part of our future.”

HSV still believes it is largely immune to a strong consumer backlash against larger, thirstier cars, but admits the company must evolve, especially for the all-important younger generation, which is generally more environmentally conscious than those over 30.

Using around 15 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres travelled – 50 per cent more than an average family car – the performance-oriented, Holden-based HSV V8 range includes some of the thirstier cars on the market.
Grant says HSV is conducting feasibility studies on a range of alternative engines.

“We’re still in the feasibility stage so we’re nowhere near confirming what direction we’ll go [diesel, hybrid, etc],” says Grant, while confirming that the added maturity of diesel engines may ultimately make them more appealing to HSV.

Diesel engines typically have much more torque (pulling power) than petrol engines.

“We’re looking at what diesel propositions might be available within the GM network and outside the GM network,” says Grant. “We’re looking at cost and the business case that would need to go with it and also the right timing to introduce that change.”

General Motors recently unveiled a turbo-diesel V8. As well as some 230kW of power (well shy of the 300-plus kilowatts from current HSVs) the diesel V8 musters 700Nm of torque, about one-third more than the current V8 petrol engines.

Grant also says HSV is evaluating hybrid engines, although he thinks the added maturity of diesel technology may ultimately make it a more logical choice.
 
A diesel HSV? I dunno, that's pushing it. (I wouldn't hate diesels so much if the fumes didn't kill your brain cells so much)
 
Meh, I like them for the torque. I'm hoping that they shove the 4.5L in the G8 in the next year or so, it would help them duck under the CAFE standards easily in the States.
 
The only problem is, at least here, diesel is super expensive compared to petrol. Last night Petrol was $1.40 a litre, and diesel was $1.79. By the time this comes out diesel wil be well over $2.00, and if it doesn't offer a SIGNIFICANTLY reduced fuel comsumption no one is going to want to pay $130+ for a tank of fuel.

Does/Can the diesel engine has cylinder deactivation?
 
That I'm not sure of. I think Mercedes was experimenting with it, but I have no idea if its a valid option. Either way, diesel is expensive here, but my guess is that the success of that powerplant will depend on the use of the 2.0T and what that will give out.

The meeting point is that system that GM and Mercedes are both working on where it takes the idea of a diesel engine (no spark, combustion) but with petrol fuel. I forget what its called...
 
The only problem is, at least here, diesel is super expensive compared to petrol. Last night Petrol was $1.40 a litre, and diesel was $1.79. By the time this comes out diesel wil be well over $2.00, and if it doesn't offer a SIGNIFICANTLY reduced fuel comsumption no one is going to want to pay $130+ for a tank of fuel.

Does/Can the diesel engine has cylinder deactivation?

Quoted for truth.
 
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Production is Underway, Apparently

...However, these are all pre-pro mules that will be given to company heads and testers before we see the full debut next March...
 
The anticipation is killing you, isn't it, YSSMAN?
 
Jesus it is... And with Dad building his barn, it makes it even worse, because is like he knows that hes making room for it... And now he teases me with the 'I don't know if I'll have money' thing. Great.

Either way, I should just save all of my money for now and just buy a 2.0T Camaro when that comes out. Which reminds me:

This guy has driven them, talks about whats coming ahead of the debut in August
 
Friend of mine has ordered one... cancelled his Challenger order to do so too! He expects it to be on the boat sometime in April 2009. And of course, first thing I'll be doing is driving the Mercury over to do a photoshoot (and, uh, test drive!) Then, well, we'll see about my financial situation. :D
 
I occasionally forget that we're exporting these suckers all over the world. Its supposed to be GM's premium coupe everywhere it goes, which makes me wonder:

Will they sell it as a Chevrolet too?

Because I doubt they'd ditch the GIANT gold badge on the face of the car...
 
Why shouldn't they? Chevrolet is their best shot. It's less because Chevrolet still has a decent image (it doesn't - not with the Daewoos which make up most of their lineup), but rather because other brands - Pontiac, Cadillac - are even less suited.
 
YSSMAN is getting one? That may be one more reason to drag the VW out with me one year.

Will they sell it as a Chevrolet too?

"Cadillac Camaro" just doesn't have the same ring to it. :indiff:

Nameplate-wise, all I could see is Pontiac GTO, but you can't market a car designed to look like one thing as something else, especially seeing how proud GM seems to be with the heritage of the car or whatever.
 
YSSMAN is getting one?

*Thor (my Dad) is probably getting one first. He said he'd had his name on the list before, but the way hes been talking lately, I'm beginning to question it.

Me on the other hand?

If they keep 'em cheap enough, maybe I'll get one on lease... Who knows...
 
I occasionally forget that we're exporting these suckers all over the world. Its supposed to be GM's premium coupe everywhere it goes, which makes me wonder:

Will they sell it as a Chevrolet too?

Because I doubt they'd ditch the GIANT gold badge on the face of the car...

It's definitely staying as the Camaro from Chevrolet. They said that when questioned about whether Holden would get their own version of the shortened coupe wheelbase. Nay they say, it will be the Chev Camaro everywhere.
 
I'm praying they do a RHD version. It won't bother me to get a left-hooker, but RHD would be spot-on.
 
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