Alfa Z-Cup - Johnnypenso and Carracerptp Z-Cup Co-Champions!

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BrandonW77
But I could be totally wrong and we could be back in paradise after the update tomorrow.
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It was never paradise. DC's, invisible drivers, lag, net code that doesn't like many routers. It's been there since day 1 and that's all we can hope to return to. It's this too frequent loss of grip that we can hope is improved although we have no idea since PD has yet to even acknowledge the bug... I'd be almost certain they are aware of it, but they are not about to publicize it... most likely it'll be fixed without even an annotation.

It's too bad though because a statement that they found an issue and made an improvement would at least reduce the placebo/hysteria. If they put it back to the "way it was" quietly without fanfare (which is likely) I guarantee drivers are still going to constantly complain every time they lose a few tenths on track.

And here I am contributing to the distraction... I'm just going to drive and forget the bug from now on. It will garnish no more of my time.
 
WRP001
It was never paradise. DC's, invisible drivers, lag, net code that doesn't like many routers. It's been there since day 1 and that's all we can hope to return to.
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Sorry, should have said "paradise". :sly:
 
Menown
As someone who is simply never going to be in contention for anything close to the top of the table, I'm happy to bail on the series to make room for those who are actually going to be in the race. I'll just feel bad taking up a spot in a 10 man grid and lapping 30 seconds behind the closest other person on the track.

I'll still show up for practice and stuff while we wait for a patch from PD, if that is even possible. I just won't tie up any slots in Friday races any more.
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Your spot is as important as anyone's. Please stay. I don't care to finish last cause of lag. I'd rather that then someone sit out.


Please reconsider and race with us. This problem will be resolved. I have faith. Front page exposure in GTP means PD and Sony stand up in attention.
 
BrandonW77
:ouch: 🤬 :ouch:

I'm beyond frustrated with this bug ruining our season. I guess we'll probably have to ditch the time change then which was going to be the highlight of the season for me.

:censored:ing bug. :grumpy:
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Just curious...not to ruffle feathers...what is the plan for the race venue this week, just so we can practice?

This bug is hitting everyone B, you're not alone, we just have to make the best of it and have fun out there. There is also a penalty built in if you have more than one monitor, too much of a "coolness" advantage over all us flat screen-ers :dopey:

WRP001
...I guarantee drivers are still going to constantly complain every time they lose a few tenths on track.
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Also not looking forward to this..."bug slowed me down" :yuck:
 
Also on the 720p. I would think we are better to run our monitors or TV's natural resolution. Myself it is 1080p. If I try to set things to 720p some device is gonna have to rescale that signal. Slowing it down to me.

Maybe I don't understand it, but seems less regulators or junctions for info needing reworked the better.
 
^I think your TV/monitor will be doing the stretching for you. Sure, it might add a few ms to the screen latency, but I doubt it would be anything major. I'm not saying we should mandate it out of thin air, but testing it might be worth the effort.
 
BrandonW77
:ouch: 🤬 :ouch:

I'm beyond frustrated with this bug ruining our season. I guess we'll probably have to ditch the time change then which was going to be the highlight of the season for me.

:censored:ing bug. :grumpy:
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Lets see if it affects anything before ditching the idea. OK?
 
CC570
Lets see if it affects anything before ditching the idea. OK?
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Yes, my statement that time/weather/dynamic lighting makes the problem worse was based on a report by CSLACR. Now I know him and trust he knows what he's talking about, but I haven't personally tested that dynamic lighting makes things worse... it does make sense though as it does make the lighting/shadow computations much more complicated.

Best thing to do is test, but the races are tomorrow so that leaves only today to do the test. Or use the tuesday race as a guinea pig. :scared:
 
CC570
Lets see if it affects anything before ditching the idea. OK?
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Yes, a test session would be beneficial IMO.
Love Sarthe, and I love night racing there more than any other track, so it would be great if it can be included.

Brandon, what are the room settings (race quality / mic quality - mics are moot now I suppose anyway)?
I didn't see them listed, sorry if I missed them somewhere.
 
I can show-up for testing today. I should be about 10+ seconds a lap slower with a DS3, so if I can hang on to anyone (presuming I'm unaffected) - it's pretty clear that the lag is there.
 
dsgerbc
I can show-up for testing today. I should be about 10+ seconds a lap slower with a DS3, so if I can hang on to anyone (presuming I'm unaffected) - it's pretty clear that the lag is there.
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Cool, I'll keep an eye on the thread, and if anyone want to jump in for a quick test I'll do my best to make it 👍
 
We can try a test of the time change tonight, but it will be dependent on how many people we get. The only way to really test it is if we get 10 or more people, everything will be fine with fewer than that. We can try using Tuesday's race as a test but if it turns out to be a problem then somebody who can only race Tuesday would be at a disadvantage as they'd only get to run in the bugged race, not really fair. I will run with the time change if I feel it won't be too much of a problem, this has been the race I'm most looking forward to this season.

@Hydro, I believe the room setting for race is "high", mics will be off.

Ok, enough about the bug talk, let's start thinking about the ORCA vs. WRS Special Event. First off, if you're interested in running this event (I hope all of you are) please make a post in that thread so we can get an idea of how many people are attending. We'll be running split rooms so we need to decide how they're going to be split/arranged.

During this week we need everybody to find some time to do some laps in "practice" mode and post your times. Take your time, get some practice in before you start really going at it so you can be comfortable with your lap. There isn't a prize for the time trial section, this is simply to determine how the drivers are going to be paired up. Also, don't feel like you have to be the fastest. Any points will help our team so we need all the drivers on the grid we can get!

More info and specifics can be found in the thread above and we will keep the majority of the special event discussion over there. There has already been at least one tune posted which should help out. I have a separate Alfa I'll be tuning for this event but you can feel free to tune your current car, just remember to set it back to default for Series races. Easy way to do this is with one of the settings sheets, just be aware that it will put Race Hard tires on as the default.


Go Team ORCA!! :)
 
One thing I would like to test is a room with 16 people using only one car from the recommended garage and see if that has any advantage at all. Maybe tonight we could set up the room to 16 people and see what happens when we go to the recommended garage. On the very slim chance that using that garage instead of our own will actually work, it could open up the possibility of running with that garage outside of the series in the ORCA Spot Race room to get in some decent racing. A lot of the cars in there are very good and you never know, this might be one way around the bug for some of us that want to race outside the series.
 
Johnnypenso
One thing I would like to test is a room with 16 people using only one car from the recommended garage and see if that has any advantage at all. Maybe tonight we could set up the room to 16 people and see what happens when we go to the recommended garage. On the very slim chance that using that garage instead of our own will actually work, it could open up the possibility of running with that garage outside of the series in the ORCA Spot Race room to get in some decent racing. A lot of the cars in there are very good and you never know, this might be one way around the bug for some of us that want to race outside the series.
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Sorry, that doesn't work. Shuffle is as close as we can get to more than 11-12 racers on track.
 
BrandonW77
During this week we need everybody to find some time to do some laps in "practice" mode and post your times. Take your time, get some practice in before you start really going at it so you can be comfortable with your lap. There isn't a prize for the time trial section, this is simply to determine how the drivers are going to be paired up. Also, don't feel like you have to be the fastest. Any points will help our team so we need all the drivers on the grid we can get!

More info and specifics can be found in the thread above and we will keep the majority of the special event discussion over there. There has already been at least one tune posted which should help out. I have a separate Alfa I'll be tuning for this event but you can feel free to tune your current car, just remember to set it back to default for Series races. Easy way to do this is with one of the settings sheets, just be aware that it will put Race Hard tires on as the default.


Go Team ORCA!! :)
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Just a quick follow up... This particular time trial is primarily about getting better driving this car at Fuji and preparing the *entire* team to do as well as possible in the event.

At the same time it's a fun internal competition which is why we don't post full lap times in the time trial thread until the week is over. You can get a pretty good idea how you are doing using the first two sector splits, but there is some mystery about the final lap/sector and thus overall result.

As you gets some laps in I would encourage you to post your splits -- even if they aren't that "fast" early in the week -- and then come back later as you improve your splits and post another set of splits (which will replace your previous entries). Hopefully we see all drivers getting faster through the week as information is shared and also as the competition heats up toward the end of the trial.

You will see yourself getting better by seconds or multiple tenths in the early sessions and by the end of the week you'll be working on the final couple tenths and really refining your lines. It's actually a very fun process that can improve your driving tremendously -- you'll notice it in any car when you return to Fuji in another series.

Ok, as Brandon said we'll keep further discussions in the time trial thread. Hope to see some of you over there asking/answering questions and posting splits. For reference here is what the "bad" guys are doing over there in the parallel WRS time trial. :lol:
 
I haven't even done a lap at Sarthe yet, so I likely won't get to start the TT until this weekend. Since the preliminary races are during our normal time slots next week, I'm assuming we won't be starting round 4 at Monza until 1/31, correct?
 
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EDIT: I've added a link to the WRS vs. ORCA Time Trial and Discussion thread to the OP. If you haven't done so already, please express your interest over there so we can get an idea of how many will be participating. I'm shown as the owner of the thread but WRP001 will be better able to answer any questions right now since he set it up and is much more familiar with the WRS system. 👍
 
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BrandonW77
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EDIT: I've added a link to the WRS vs. ORCA Time Trial and Discussion thread to the OP. If you haven't done so already, please express your interest over there so we can get an idea of how many will be participating. I'm shown as the owner of the thread but WRP001 will be better able to answer any questions right now since he set it up and is much more familiar with the WRS system. 👍
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Is the test race a Sarthe tonight?..
I did a 2 car race there in the alfa. The draft makes lap times not relevant.
I think one could have a lap 2 seconds faster than the field and still be dragged in with the draft.
This will have a very close finish 👍
I hope the day/night is still used, that would make it great for pictures.
 
Goodness, for the most part I usually just go straight to this thread on GTP, but just now I went through the "Online Events" section and couldn't believe how many leagues were cancelling/postponing/delaying things because of this bug. What did make sense to me was postponing things until after 2.03 to see if there are any fixes, but I doubt there will be. Have you put any thought into just pushing this race back a week and see what happens with the update as well as get some testing in? In my little GTP bubble I didn't realize how many were waiting for this to get fixed, lets hope it happens soon.
 
Bug or not, I would rather just keep racing. If the bug was effecting more than half the drivers each race, I could see pushing it back, but I don't think that's the case. I think a few people here and there might be having issues, but for the most part it doesn't seem to be having a huge impact on the races. carracerptp was one of the guys having issues with the bug, but still managed to win both races Friday night.
 
carracerptp
Is the test race a Sarthe tonight?..
I did a 2 car race there in the alfa. The draft makes lap times not relevant.
I think one could have a lap 2 seconds faster than the field and still be dragged in with the draft.
This will have a very close finish 👍
I hope the day/night is still used, that would make it great for pictures.
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Yes, we'll be testing at la Sarthe tonight and I should have the lounge open around 7pm EST. The more people we can get to participate, the better. Once we get a good sized group we'll do a 3 or 4 lap race with time change.

Agreed about the draft too, lap times won't matter that much as long as you're able to stay in the draft. Lots of opportunity to draft at this track so we should see some tight racing. 👍
 
By the way, my earlier issues with the G27 were solved by turning Active Steering on and off again. Now it lets me either save it or put it in the wall 100% by myself. I'd say I'm probably with 1-2 seconds of my DS3 times on average.
 
LancerEvo7
By the way, my earlier issues with the G27 were solved by turning Active Steering on and off again. Now it lets me either save it or put it in the wall 100% by myself. I'd say I'm probably with 1-2 seconds of my DS3 times on average.
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I bought my DFGT before I bought the game so it's all I've ever used with GT5. I used a controller with the previous versions but can't use one now to save my life. I would have thought the DS3>>>wheel transition would have been a piece of cake but given some of the settings, especially LSD that I see with DS3 tuners, I guess it's a whole different ballgame.

I should be around tonight for some testing. I am slower at night than during the daylight by about 3 seconds in the dozen or so laps I've run so far. If you put the clock on "60" you can do a whole day/night/day cycle in about 5 laps but it sure gets dark and light fast...:nervous:.

What does "active steering" do anyway? I've never used it but I see some guys in the TT's using it sometimes. Does it steer for you sort of like GT4 did with it's steering assist?
 
LancerEvo7
By the way, my earlier issues with the G27 were solved by turning Active Steering on and off again. Now it lets me either save it or put it in the wall 100% by myself. I'd say I'm probably with 1-2 seconds of my DS3 times on average.
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I'm a new wheel user and I found the best car to learn on is a Toyota 86.
 
Johnnypenso
What does "active steering" do anyway? I've never used it but I see some guys in the TT's using it sometimes. Does it steer for you sort of like GT4 did with it's steering assist?
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AS will help you recover from spins at times. Hard to describe and it's not quite as crazy as skid recovery force, but it's like a gentle hand guiding the car. It does reduce the "feel" you get from the car. It doesn't hurt lap times like TCS does and in general if other drivers are allowed to use the aid it can be a disadvantage NOT to use it over a long race. I'm not sure that I would ever use it for a time trial, but in races where it's allowed and the car is twitchy it can save you once or twice in a 30 lap race which is a big advantage. That said, I'd rather race in series where it's not allowed.
 
Oddly enough I used the old Toyota AE86. I just turned off all the aids and set it to pro/sim (back in GT4) I figured I would have to learn to use it that way in the end, so I did it from the start.

I won't be around tonight, too sick. I might drop into A-spec as I'm training myself not to use the flashing gear thingy. At least in a-spec I can pause every 1/8th of a second to blow my nose.
 
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