2008 Montreal Grand Prix

[darkfinal]

We should probably have an F1 sub-forum post-race gentleman's agreement - noone posts anything until you've slept on it

As long as you keep in mind everything I've said since the incident is fruit of my frustration...

BTW, I can't help but laugh at the way Hamilton reacted after crashing into Kimi's behind, at 0:35:



I just imagine him thinking "Awww, crap... *Finger-splay* Damn, sorry... *Headcant* I ****ed it up."

(I know, I'm horrible. )

 

[mipuumal]

Karma my ***.

Honestly, anyone comparing this incident and Kimi vs. Sutil in monaco either knows very little of F1 or is out of their mind.

Kimi made a mistake under braking, Lewis did the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

No he obviously didn't do it intentionally, that is just crazy talk. However the incident was SO dumb that a +10 grid penalty is more than warranted.

And Hamilton's so called apology "...if I ruined his race" Uhh... IF?

Can't wait for the next line of BS he gives to the media after all those articles of how he "feels like a veteran" etc. Maybe if he is that rusty he should retire already.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

If Raikkonen doesn't get a penalty for taking out Sutil, then Hamilton shouldn't get a penalty for taking out Raikkonen.

The irony is that if he was penalized he wouldn't have been in this wreck.

Of course it isn't, but you have to agree with me on something: Heidfeld is a nightmare for Alonso. I always remember the Spaniard getting stuck several times in the past years like that, like a big white wall of concrete.

I remember last year at Hungary he made several attempts to pass Heidfeld.

 

[Only_in_f1]

I'd like to ask why wasn't Kimi and Robert in single file?

They can't go side by side without going out of the white line, can they?
I respect that Robert or Kimi wouldn't like to concede the place, but I didn't think you could let the driver leave his pit box with an on coming driver next to or coming towards the path of the leaving driver, non?

Im not defending Hamilton beacuse it was a stupid, but very funny, thing to do.

 

[Lee]

Hell of alot of fanboy-ism going on in these here pages. 👎

I really feel for Heidfeld, you could see on the podium and post race he felt it was his. Kubica however was due thsi win and he couldn't have picked a finer track to win at than Montreal after last season, hats off to the fella. 👍

Elsewhere, I applauded DC as he crossed the line, hopefully this is the start of his comeback this season, this result was his first points score of the season! Also Barrichello seems to have hit some form, being the most experienced driver counts in times like these, whichs gets me onto..

..Lewis. Now, call me crazy/fanboy/whatever, but I firmly believe it was McLaren who cocked up big time here. Lewis done what he should have done and that was to keep his eyes on what's happening infront of him. This can be seen by the fact he BRAKED when he realised Kubica and Raikkonen where stationary, you can see this by the front left locking up before impact. The team failed to realise the red light and notify their driver. Great show of calmness by Kimi though, like a few people have already said, I would have done a little more than just point to the red light if I was him.

Other notibles, Glock, great job with 4th in testing conditions. He only had one mistake which yes, did cause his team mate to loose a place, but it was hardly intentional. Felipe was brilliant entertainment, his oppourtunistic move on Heikki and Vettel (?) was superbly placed, with the right front on the grass!

 

[Motominded]

in an interview with david coulthard, he did say that Mclaren should have warned lewis about the red, but he should have also paid more attention.

 

[Brett]

There seems to be a lot of hate being thrown at Lewis Hamilton. I cannot defend Hamilton, as it was a dumb mistake. But, I would like to know why race control likes to put the red light up there in the first place, especially considering the light comes a little out of nowhere.

It seems to me that there is a good lack of communication between race control, drivers, and the teams. There should be a better way of going about telling drivers of the pit lane exit being closed. Maybe instead of putting the lights off to the side of the pit lane, they should put them above the exit, much like the lights at the starting line. Either way, the FIA needs to come up with a better solution to this problem to prevent any problems like this occurring. And then again, it may have just been poor communication between Lewis and those talking to him over the radio.

With all of that said, incidents like this should not happen; but they do and everyone should just move on from it. I was upset that Kimi got taken out of the race, but it was not near enough for me to get overly worked up over it. Racing accidents happen all of the time and it stings a little more for one to happen in pit lane. There is also a lot of being in the right place at the right time in racing too and looking back on Kimi's career, he has not exactly been in the right places at the right times often.

Aside: If anyone wants another recent example of something similar to today's incident, just check out this year's Indy 500.

Now with that part of the race out of of the way , I have to say great job to BMW today. 👍 BMW did a wonderful job of switching Nick Heidfeld's race strategy over to a one-stopper. It was a good switch and almost produced a win for Quick Nick. Also, nice job of today by Robert Kubica! 👍 He did a good job of driving the car and not putting a wheel wrong. Kubica always caught a very nice break in not getting caught up in the pit lane shenanigans. The win today is a well deserved one and one that had been coming his and BMW's for a while. It really could not have come at much better of a place either considering what occurred last year.

David Coulthard achieved a nice result today in getting onto the podium. I guess he did it somewhat quietly as I had not even really noticed him throughout the race. Also, a good result for Red Bull Renault getting the points for a third place finish. 👍 Looking back to qualifying, it sure was a shame that Webber crashed at the end of Q2 and did not get a chance to qualify higher than tenth. Starting higher than tenth could have definitely given him a better result.

Fairly nice drive by Timo Glock to get a fourth place finish, but had one bad bit of driving slowing down his teammate. Had it not been for that, then it would have been a better result for Toyota. Not much to say about Jarno, other than I am surprised he did not spin in the race, at least not that I remember. Good result for Toyota getting a fourth and sixth place finish. They need to finish in the points more often.

Disappointing day for Ferrari, partly brought on by themselves. Had they not messed up Felipe's fueling, then he might have been able to finish a spot or two higher. Kimi getting taken out by Hamilton on pit lane only added insult to injury. There is not much else to say about their day. Oh wait, Massa had a nice pass getting two guys in one corner. You do not really see that too often outside of the opening lap on the opening corners and it was neat to see that during the race.

I guess good race for Honda? Getting Barrichello to a seventh place finish has to be seen as somewhat good for them considering how bad that car looks on track.

Nice drive by Vettel to go from starting on the pit lane to secure a point. He really cannot seem to catch many breaks when it comes to a race weekend. It always seems to be a problem with the car's reliability, someone punting him off track, or in today's case, a self-inflicted wound. Hopefully these problems will disappear and we can really get to see his talent.

Other than all of that above, it is shaping up to be a very good rest of the season. It is going to be a battle between Ferrari, BMW, and McLaren for the Constructor's Championship and a battle between Robert, Lewis, Felipe, and Kimi in the Driver's Championship. There is also some exciting battles to be had for the fourth spot in the Constructor's between Red Bull, Toyota, Williams, and Renault (that is if they can get some results). The rest of the season should be exciting and I for one am looking forward to it.

And sorry for the long post!

 

[MustangSVT]

It seems to me that McLaren should've been all over the radio to Lewis yelling "red light!!" just after him leaving the pit stall. Same goes for Rosberg.

 

[mipuumal]

How do you know what was and was not said over the radio... Everyone assumes that there were zero instructions.

 

[nissan tuner]

its obvious that there was zero instructions. if his spotter had warned Hamilton about the red light, he wouldn't of rear end anyone.

why would you think anyone would want to give up the driver's championship lead like that if they knew to avoid an obstacle

 

[mipuumal]

its obvious that there was zero instructions. if their was instructions,Hamilton wouldn't of rear end anyone.

Oh ofcourse... during his driver's ed he was given instructions about speeding yet he still SOMEHOW (god only knows how, I can't wrap my brain around it) managed to drive around speeding in france during the winter.

 

[Lee]

Doesn't beat a certain someone's well documented drink binges no?

 

[MustangSVT]

Oh ofcourse... during his driver's ed he was given instructions about speeding yet he still SOMEHOW (god only knows how, I can't wrap my brain around it) managed to drive around speeding in france during the winter.

If his team actually told him as he left the pit "Lewis, watch for the red light at end of pits!" and he ignored it then that's just an idiot move. I'm assuming they said nothing.

 

[Kylehnat]

I'm still confused as to why teams are not watching that red light like a hawk, and screaming at the driver as he leaves the pits. Seems like a pretty easy thing to stay on top of, yet we've seen so many of these mix-ups in the last year.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Awesome to see Kubica win. Finally, someone other than the Usual Suspects wins a race. Last time we had that was Jenson Button at Hungary in 2006.

If his team actually told him as he left the pit "Lewis, watch for the red light at end of pits!" and he ignored it then that's just an idiot move. I'm assuming they said nothing.

I think "Lewis, watch out for the red car in front of you!" might have done a little bit more ...

 

[Brett]

I'm still confused as to why teams are not watching that red light like a hawk, and screaming at the driver as he leaves the pits. Seems like a pretty easy thing to stay on top of, yet we've seen so many of these mix-ups in the last year.

Seems like a pretty simple concept huh? Apparently, it isn't!

 

[Philly]

I'm still confused as to why teams are not watching that red light like a hawk, and screaming at the driver as he leaves the pits. Seems like a pretty easy thing to stay on top of, yet we've seen so many of these mix-ups in the last year.

I'm confused as to why the team should be the one to tell him the light is red. He is the driver and should be watching where his car is going. Especially if there are cars stopped at said red light in front of him.

Sounds like the classic case of somebody shunting somebody at a light while changing CDs. Maybe the FIA should make the steering wheels a little less complicated.

 

[Bollocks#999]

I loved the bit where Lewis couldnt admit he made a mistake, or remember what happened.
"Sorry if I ruined Kimi's race"? WTF did he think it was going to do, enable the Ferrari to continue without its rear wing? Peanut

A 10 place grid penalty for France is nothing more than what he deserves

 

[Blake]

That was an awesome result. Kubica has been doing a great job all year and fully deserves the win and championship lead! :tup: Great job BMW, and great drive Kubica. I really hope he can keep it up, because he’s been the best driver all season so far.

I also hope BMW can keep pace with McLaren and Ferrari, see if we can’t have 3 teams still fighting for the title at the end of the season.

What's with the whole red light situation anyway? Why is it always Canada?

The pit exit feeds onto the track at the exit of turn 2, so you can feed awkwardly into traffic when you stop under safety car. They put the red light on to make sure everyone feeds in behind the snake.

That does it.


*Add to ignore list*

If Raikkonen doesn't get a penalty for taking out Sutil, then Hamilton shouldn't get a penalty for taking out Raikkonen.

Apparantly I'm wrong

Yes you are. Apart from the fact that it was avoidable, think what would have happened if Lewis was first in the queue… He may just have driven straight through a red-light and got DQ’d.

And to the “if it was avoidable it wouldn’t have happened” comment: are you serious? Lewis had heaps of room to slow down if he had seen the cars in-front stop. Accidents are avoidable with perception—it applies to the road and it applies on the race-track. Running into the back of someone is one of the most unforgivable accidents, whether it’s under braking for a hairpin or at a red light in pit lane. It is 100% your responsibility and 100% avoidable.

So what happened to Sutil? His brakes caught fire or something?

Gearbox problem. The brakes catching fire was just because they were running very hot and with no air to cool them they decided to suffer from spontaneous carbon combustion.

Seems like a pretty simple concept huh? Apparently, it isn't!

As F1Racing cynically pointed out a few months ago: F1 is too sophisticated for spotters. They have telemetry and thousands of sensors feeding data to their Death Star battle stations on pit wall – why do they need spotters?

 

[Kylehnat]

They should just add another blinking light to the steering wheel .

Technical Director: "Okay, boys, we have a new light on the wheel. If the pitlane is red-lighted at the end, this new LED will flash orange three times at 4-second intervals. Once the pitlane light is green, the LED will flash blue two times at 3-second intervals. This should end any confusion."

 

[Heldenzeit]

Halmilton crashed into Räikkönen while following in his dad's footsteps.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=107455

 

[m7ammed]

http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=James_Allen&id=42949

Red mist

Lewis is kicking himself tonight for ramming Kimi Raikkonen on the way out of the pits. It’s cost him 10 points and he’s got a grid penalty for France which will be very costly as I expect a Ferrari 1-2 there.

Ron Dennis confirmed to me that the team told Lewis to watch out for the pit lane exit light being red, but his mind was on the fact that a slow stop had meant both Raikkonen and Kubica had got in front of him and he was set to rejoin third.

He was focused on the flow of cars moving towards the exit and didn’t see that Kimi had stopped. He missed Kubica by inches, but – luckily for him – hit his main title rival, who could not score any points as a result.

For this he has been given a 10-place grid relegation at the next race, as has Nico Rosberg.

This is interesting in light of Raikkonen’s collision with Adrian Sutil in Monaco, which cost the German five points, but did not attract a 10-place grid drop for Kimi here in Canada… Figure that one out.

Raikkonen had started to show race-winning pace before that first round of pit stops. On the harder tyre he was consistently faster than Lewis in the laps leading up to the safety car and he could definitely have won the race.

Well its confirmed the team did tell him.

Congrats to BMW , was so happy yesterday and not just to win but a 1-2 is just icing one the cake . I really hope BMW could keep the momentum up just to keep the championship alive till the end of the season

 

[Studentdriver]

It’s cost him 10 points...

This is interesting in light of Raikkonen’s collision with Adrian Sutil in Monaco, which cost the German five points, but did not attract a 10-place grid drop for Kimi here in Canada… Figure that one out.

Thank God for American television.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

The pit exit feeds onto the track at the exit of turn 2, so you can feed awkwardly into traffic when you stop under safety car. They put the red light on to make sure everyone feeds in behind the snake.

Ah so it needs some sort of Herman Tilke redesign

 

[JohnBM01]

I think I picked either Hamilton or Raikkonen to win... and neither finished. I was saddened that Kazuki Nakayama didn't post his best-ever finish. Perhaps sad Honda or Toyota didn't win (both need a win). It actually turned out to be a storybook ending for Kubica. After media finds nothing better to do than to show a vicious crash, Kubica came back to kick plenty of ass in Montreal. A song I'd probably play for Kubica's race would probably be (and I know 90% of the world (generalization) hates hip-hop) would probably be "Stronger" by Kanye West. Kubica had that vicious crash at Montreal last year, but that evil nightmare of a year ago did nothing to ruin Kubica's progress in winning this race. Now the F1 boys can return to Europe and make ready for racing at Magny-Cours.

It may be just me, but I'm actually a LITTLE glad there's no race next week. I always say that Father's Day weekend is about and only about Le Mans for me. I don't care about NASCAR at Michigan, some other series someplace else... it's Le Mans. Much like how electronica junkies have their sessions, the remainder of Sunday will be my version of a recovery session. The Canada race was pretty wicked for as much coverage as I was able to see. FOX will do the Grand Prix of France in two weeks time. And one last thing- congratulations to David Coulthard on a great drive palcing 3rd (I believe).

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Question: who, if anyone, parked it in the Wall of Champions this year?

 

[Blake]

Question: who, if anyone, parked it in the Wall of Champions this year?

No one.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

No one.

I'm shocked my ownself. I half-expected Piquet Jnr. or Nakajima to do it ...

 

[Muzaffar]

*skips well over 8 pages worth of bull:censored: and post my view*

Quite likely, I say I was right when I said there was no rain during the race. I'm a psychic!

Anyways, I did watch the race live at 1am today (and later had to go to school at 7 ) so I couldn't bother to post until now. But straight to the point, Kubica did wonderfully well to take that victory in style. Not only did he make history as the first ever Polish winner and the first Win for BMW (as a manufacturer) as well as Sauber, and to top it all of, he came to Montreal to win after a horrendous accident same time last year. Nick really was outshadowed by Kubica during the race and now has to be the #2 driver in the team since Kubica is leading the WDC.

About the Alonso accident, it was clearly neither Nick or Alonso's fault. It was clearly the Renault having problem and buckling up during the corner. The commentator said that Alonso had a gearbox problem similar to Piquet and a miss shifted that it causes the rear wheel to suddenly accelerate and spin the car around. Although the damage was little (his suspension was still in tact) but the gearbox had failed him and it was a retirement. Just when Alonso started to perform at his best, the car just had to fail on him!!!! No wonder Alonso is pissed at Renault! Either Renault build a proper car for him or he jump ships and go to another team. (even if its for the worse)

The pit lane fiasco is just plain absurd and stupid. You probably think Hamilton was wrong and Kimi was right, but I totally blame the FIA for the stupid 🤬 up rules!!!! (yeah, Mosley, you should kill yourself because of that!) I'm not saying that Hamilton was the victim (no, its a father and son thing. It happened to his father, so the son had to suffer from it as well. ) he was probably thinking the pit lane was open, but then suddenly Kimi braked hard to stop for the red light (and probably avoiding Kubica as well) and Hamilton got spooked and tried to avoid hitting either car, but was unlucky enough to hit Kimi. Big deal, this is not the last you'll see of these "wacky races" here in Canada? (eh? )

But the FIA, I mean they really have sunk really low in order for that rule to stay. I mean which 🤬 moron thought it was a good idea to close the pit lane when the safety car is out? If people were in an accident during that lap or running low on fuel and had to get their car to the pits when the safety car came out, the pits is closed. If they enter when the pit lane is closed, they get a drive through penalty. (okay, fair enough. If they wanted to make pit stops fair, so be it) Then, when the pit lane does open, the exit of the pit lane is closed for a few seconds, I mean WTF? How do you expect everyone to be "Mr. Perfect" and follow there rules a 100%? You know your making more hassle for yourself and make others suffer from it. I wish they would stick to one of the earlier rules from pre 2000, back then, F1 wasn't really complicated and everyone was happy with how F1 was run. Now its just utter rubbish.......

For the other finishers, well done DC for keeping 3rd and make it another podium for Red Bull. Probably a crucial finish that would help them improve as a team. 👍 Good drive by Toyota, Massa, Reubens, and Vettel for finishing in the points. Too bad Massa's brilliant effort was wasted because of the fumbling pit stops and miscalculated fuel strategy, cause he would have been up there if things went his way. The same can be said about Heikki, but I think that was really not McLaren's day to remember. Good work for Glock to finish 4th (even if he did fumbled Trulli during the late stages) and finally show what he is made of...... for once. I was surprised that Honda was 1st and 2nd for a few laps during the race, and was thinking that they would be finishing in the points, but was sad to see Barrichello throwing it away near the end, would have been a well deserved 4th place if you ask me.

According to ESPN.com, Hamilton and Rosberg will be penalized 10 grid spots at France.

Okay, but that was unnecessary. It was not both drivers fault for hitting one another. The FIA can shove that penalty up their poop shoot for they were the one making the red light...... Sometimes its just unfair for a organization being totally bias, but this is a corrupted world and sad to say that Ferrari will always be the one smiling. 👎

 

[Metar]

Aside from Monaco, I'd have to look Heidfeld-Alonso battles up so I'll go with what you're saying

He struggled to pass him at the Hungaroring, and Heidfeld put an embarrassing pass on Alonso at Bahrain last year, as well.

But the FIA, I mean they really have sunk really low in order for that rule to stay. I mean which 🤬 moron thought it was a good idea to close the pit lane when the safety car is out? If people were in an accident during that lap or running low on fuel and had to get their car to the pits when the safety car came out, the pits is closed. If they enter when the pit lane is closed, they get a drive through penalty. (okay, fair enough. If they wanted to make pit stops fair, so be it) Then, when the pit lane does open, the exit of the pit lane is closed for a few seconds, I mean WTF? How do you expect everyone to be "Mr. Perfect" and follow there rules a 100%? You know your making more hassle for yourself and make others suffer from it. I wish they would stick to one of the earlier rules from pre 2000, back then, F1 wasn't really complicated and everyone was happy with how F1 was run. Now its just utter rubbish.......

Okay, but that was unnecessary. It was not both drivers fault for hitting one another. The FIA can shove that penalty up their poop shoot for they were the one making the red light...... Sometimes its just unfair for a organization being totally bias, but this is a corrupted world and sad to say that Ferrari will always be the one smiling. 👎

WTF are you smoking?

The red light, as unusual and confusing as it is, is a necessary safety-precaution to prevent drivers getting out of the pits and sneak into the middle of the safety-car procession. In a track like Montreal, the pit-lane cuts through the last chicane and the first two corners, so a fast stop will see the driver exiting about exactly where the non-stopping cars will be.

And yes, the FIA can perfectly expect the drivers to be "Mr. Perfect", simply because they're the best. They're the elite, some of the fastest single-seater drivers worldwide - something like a red light shouldn't be too difficult to follow?