2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix

[Stevisiov]

I don't think the Hamilton - Maldonado incident is perhaps so clear cut although responsibility for the contact has to reside with Maldonado looking at the footage.

Also Button looked like he'd been crying in that interview

Indeed it did.

 

[Anghammarad]

Hamilton clearly steered right into Maldonado after La Source when the latter was going past.

 

[Müle]

Hamilton clearly steered right into Maldonado after La Source when the latter was going past.

You're either trolling, or you're grossly misinformed.

 

[homeforsummer]

Well, di Resta and Button's qualifying results both screwed by bad team calls.

Good to see Senna doing that well though, he should be chuffed with 7th.

Hamilton clearly steered right into Maldonado after La Source when the latter was going past.

He jinked right for sure just after the hairpin but Maldonado actually physically drove into the side of Hamilton.

 

[Stevisiov]

Hamilton clearly steered right into Maldonado after La Source when the latter was going past.

He appears to yes, but this was a few hundered metres before the contact which appeared to be Maldonado driving offline and eventually into the Mclaren.

 

[Prince.M5]

No wait, look at the incident again all I can see is that after they both pass the La Source hairpin even before Maldonado intended to pass Hamilton, Hamilton make a quick weave to the right. Once Maldonado got alongside Hamilton, Hamilton turned a bit to the right and they both made contact. At least that's what I see... They both have serious issues.

 

[F1 fan]

You're either trolling, or you're grossly misinformed.

He isn't any of those. Watch the replays again and you will see Hamilton turning into Maldonado very clearly. Both were being hot headed and stupid. Both deserve penalties in my eyes, but Hamilton seems to be avoiding blame once again. Maldonado was moving over slowly, Hamilton turned into him.

 

[Anghammarad]

You're either trolling, or you're grossly misinformed.

Here's what happened.

Maldonado was on a fast lap, as was Hamilton. He had no obligation to let Hamilton past. Hamilton went by anyway. After La Source hairpin on the following lap when Maldonado came alongside Hamilton the latter steered straight into him. It was more than obvious in the replays.

 

[Lizard]

I would like to see the on board shots before making a judgement on Maldonado and Hamilton.

 

[Stevisiov]

I'm sure the stewards will be able to decide with all the data they have. I wouldn't be surprised if they found both driver guilty to be honest. It's hard to imagine Hamilton getting the brunt of the blame from the stewards looking at the video though.

 

[C-ZETA]

Maldonado was on a fast lap, as was Hamilton. He had no obligation to let Hamilton past. Hamilton went by anyway. After La Source hairpin on the following lap when Maldonado came alongside Hamilton the latter steered straight into him. It was more than obvious in the replays.

I know what's happening here.

HATERS GON' HATE

Although it did look a little like Hamilton steered into him. Still, Maldonado tried to cut to him first, he started it, it's really his fault it got like that.

Besides which Hamilton got the hurt on his car anyway.

 

[RTSolvalou]

Ok, to add to my previous statement, I don't care who was to blame for part one, but for part 2 yes I think Hams was to blame.

 

[homeforsummer]

Here's what happened.

Maldonado was on a fast lap, as was Hamilton. He had no obligation to let Hamilton past. Hamilton went by anyway. After La Source hairpin on the following lap when Maldonado came alongside Hamilton the latter steered straight into him. It was more than obvious in the replays.

The bit you're missing out there is that Maldonado went significantly offline to hit Hamilton, whereas Hamilton only veered steadily right.

They were both being dumb, but Maldonado was being dangerous.

 

[Anghammarad]

HATERS GON' HATE

Eh, hokay

 

[F1 fan]

I know what's happening here.

HATERS GON' HATE

Or more likely, once again Hamilton is involved in a controversial move and some people still think he's faultless. It can't be coincedence that it's almost always him involved. He's just too hot headed. As is Maldonado. Today, the two big crybabies of the field just made themselves look silly.

 

[Müle]

He isn't any of those. Watch the replays again and you will see Hamilton turning into Maldonado very clearly. Both were being hot headed and stupid. Both deserve penalties in my eyes, but Hamilton seems to be avoiding blame once again. Maldonado was moving over slowly, Hamilton turned into him.

Here's what happened.

Maldonado was on a fast lap, as was Hamilton. He had no obligation to let Hamilton past. Hamilton went by anyway. After La Source hairpin on the following lap when Maldonado came alongside Hamilton the latter steered straight into him. It was more than obvious in the replays.

Here's a nice, quick diagram for you guys

Maldonado intentionally cut-off Hamilton and drove right into his side-pod.

That was on an in-lap, during qualifying, and should be AT LEAST a 1-race ban.

 

[C-ZETA]

Lewis Hamilton on the Maldonado incident
"I'll have to look at it. The Williams was just sitting there, it was very slow. I had to try and get past, which I did. I saw Maldonado approaching quite quickly - he happened to swipe across me. My front wing was quite damaged. I'll sit here and wait for the stewards to call me up rather than going back to McLaren. Once the flag was out and the red light was on there is no need to be racing. There should never be an incident but unfortunately there was."

Since he said it he should know what happened. Hamilton hasn't been particularly 'correct' but you never know.

 

[F1 fan]

Here's a nice, quick diagram for you guys

Maldonado intentionally cut-off Hamilton and drove right into his side-pod.

That was on an in-lap, during qualifying, and should be AT LEAST a 1-race ban.

Intentional or not, Lewis could have backed down, instead he chose to turn in towards Maldonado. This is very clear in the replay. I think they were both being stupid, but to say any of them were innocent is wrong. They were playing bumper cars. Maldonado tried to squeeze Hamilton, Lewis decided to turn in on him.

EDIT:

Since he said it he should know what happened. Hamilton hasn't been particularly 'correct' but you never know.

He also claimed innocence at Monaco. Lets see if his opinion changes in the next few days once he's calmed down.

 

[Müle]

This shows Maldonado cutting across Hamilton after Hamilton made a quick move to his right.

Looks to be about 90% Maldonados fault.

(note: I made my diagram before i saw this video)

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Hamilton's main problem could be his fast sector 1 time in Q1 with yellow flags. Anyway first incident with Maldonado, the onboard shot shows clearly Maldonado steering more and more right when he sees Hamilton alongside him.

The incident after the lap, Hamilton was turning right as otherwise he would be on the grass and heading into the barriers which Maldonado headed to after contact as he was closing the door. This is what I remember seeing on the live coverage anyway.

 

[boiltheocean]

Hamiltons initial pass was fine, he went for the space left open by Maldanado, got infront then Maldanado shut the door, stupid move by Maldanado. After the hairpin Hamilton did move across towards Maldanado as if to have some sort of fist waving contest, this isn't rare and nothing happens. However as Hamilton then straightened out again Maldanado decides to move across forcing Hamilton towards the wall, finally running into him with nowhere to go. If you think the collision is Hamiltons fault then you must be blind or a regular passenger on the Hamilton hate bandwagon.

 

[C-ZETA]

He also claimed innocence at Monaco. Lets see if his opinion changes in the next few days once he's calmed down.

That was a racing incident, Hamilton just went in too hard there and clattered Maldonado out. Though it was out of the points. His only points so far

I'll tell you something, from that video it looks slightly like they were heading for each other. But again, see my other post. Maldonado made the first strike and that's what sparked it off.

 

[Müle]

Updated diagram

 

[F1 fan]

This shows Maldonado cutting across Hamilton after Hamilton made a quick move to his right.

Looks to be about 90% Maldonados fault.

(note: I made my diagram before i saw this video)

I'd wait to see the different replay angles. In that one, it looks mostly Maldonado's fault, but from the angles I saw on tv earlier, Hamilton definitely turned very sharply which doesn't come across very well from that angle.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Hamilton was out of order with that move over to Maldonado but Maldonado went about it the wrong way, he should've waited until they were out the cars and give him a good punch not push him to the wall at one of the most dangerous track sections.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I think Maldonado was full of rage after getting slowed down by his teammate and to add insult someone overtaking him in a matter of a few seconds on his final qualifying lap.

 

[F1 fan]

Hamilton was out of order with that move over to Maldonado but Maldonado went about it the wrong way, he should've waited until they were out the cars and give him a good punch not push him to the wall at one of the most dangerous track sections.

I think in this case, Maldonado was the instigator, but clearly Hamilton shouldn't have turned in like that.

 

[C-ZETA]

BBC SPORT
Pastor Maldonado's take on his incident with Hamilton: "It was a difficult moment, there was no reason from my side to have contact and from the side of Lewis. It wasn't rainy conditions and we need to understand what happened. There was no need for contact after the chequered flag." When asked if he agreed with Hamilton's claim he had deliberately moved into his McLaren, Maldonado responded: "No, no, I don't."

...

 

[Robin]

This is one thing I've noticed about Hamilton, even if it isn't his fault he would still rather slam into the other car and shout about it to prove a point rather than try and avoid the accident.

I really think he could have just slammed the brakes as he saw Maldonado closing in from the right hand side, they had already been fighting in the corner so it doesn't take a genius is figure out was was coming on the straight.

But Hamilton is too pig headed to make the move which saves his own skin, its bizarre.

As for the rest of qualy, very surprised by Senna and Martin Brundle's 'senior moment' was quite hilarious.

Robin.

 

[Prince.M5]

Well when you were on a potentially good final lap, getting bogged down by your team-mate, then being overtaken by someone else just to avoid a contact with your mate - if I was Maldonado, I'd be pretty angry too but in my opinion, they're both at fault. 50/50. That's my view on it and I wouldn't be surprised too if I see a heavier penalty for Maldonado... That's it.