2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix

[Saidur_Ali]

Everyone has an ego. Lewis' is growing out of control. Istanbul 2010 was an accident, today was deliberate.



He has been impressive, but he has no experience of the tyres. I expect him to fade like Maldonado has done after qualifying strongly. I may be wrong. He has some speed, but lets not forget he is in the fourth of fifth best car. Tomorrow will tell.

Hamilton was now deliberately crashing into Maldonado, OK... Vettel t-boned Button last year at this race, if Hamilton did the same would it be deliberate from your point of view? I'm seeing that Vettel bias and Hamilton hate already so cover up.

 

[F1 fan]

Please, just stop. You're just another one of these anti-hamilton people who find fault for him in every little thing he does. Nowhere did Hamilton deliberately hit Maldonado.

He intentionally turned in on him. If this was a road traffic report, guess what would be written down in the report.

Hamilton was now deliberately crashing into Maldonado, OK... Vettel t-boned Button last year at this race, if Hamilton did the same would it be deliberate from your point of view? I'm seeing that Vettel bias and Hamilton hate already so cover up.

Again, you're making assumptions. Vettel lost control of the car at spa last year. More brain fade than anything else. There's a clear difference between someone losing control and hitting someone, or someone turning in towards someone and hitting someone. Again, take off your "assumption" cap before responding to me.

Just try to view every post for what it is, rather than judging it by what you perceive to be my character.

 

[Müle]

He intentionally turned in on him. If this was a road traffic report, guess what would be written down in the report.

So you can read his mind now?

Give me a break.

 

[C-ZETA]

He intentionally turned in on him. If this was a road traffic report, guess what would be written down in the report.

What it would say is 'M25 closed in [insert number here] lanes, even though the incident is cleared, and you STILL have to do 50 '

Hamilton did not intentionally turn in to Maldonado, he was hassled in and was forced to turn out into Maldonado, who might have been turning into him before, but again we don't know. What I do know though is Maldonado started it and he's the one who's to blame for causing the whole racket in the first place.

 

[Peter.]

Please, just stop. You're just another one of these anti-hamilton people who find fault for him in every little thing he does. Nowhere did Hamilton deliberately hit Maldonado.

And you're pro-Hamilton it seems, so if Lewis ever gets into an incident like this, you go and try to blame it on the other driver involved.

And don't get into mind reading now. None of us can do it, which includes you. So you can't go around stating as fact that Maldonado deliberately turned in on Lewis. You have no onboard footage of it, so please calm yourself down before you upset even more people.

I'm not so sure Ferrari have gone for a wet setup for Alonso and a dry for Massa. A more logical choice would have been the oother way around what with the forecasts available when quali started. I just think that Alonso made a very poor qualifying session.

Oh, and the performer of the day is obviously Senna

Thing is, it has rained every session this weekend, and is believed to rain once again tomorrow, so it's not so much of a gamble, but thinking ahead rather. If it does rain, which it very likely will, Alonso will be 1 step ahead of everyone with dry setups.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

He intentionally turned in on him. If this was a road traffic report, guess what would be written down in the report.



Again, you're making assumptions. Vettel lost control of the car at spa last year. More brain fade than anything else. There's a clear difference between someone losing control and hitting someone, or someone turning in towards someone and hitting someone. Again, take off your "assumption" cap before responding to me.

You are again starting to show your true colours, started off reasonable now it is deliberate and intentional by Hamilton to turn in and hit Maldonado.

I know Vettel lost the car but going by your post history, Lewis seems to be always in the wrong while for Vettel you can make excuses for him all day long. What about contact with the Force India last year too.

 

[Alex.]

I hate when this happens. A Mainstream driver gets into an incident with a not so mainstream driver, and the latter is blamed for it. They were both at fault to some extent, but Lewis made the first move. No penalty for Maldonado, or at least it shouldn't be so.

Very pleased with that qualifying. Massa outqualifies Alonso 2 out of the last 2! As for the Hamaldonadolton incident it was 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other, you want fries with that?

 

[UK-Gamer]

His lap was dead before the first contact. Barrichello was being held up by Kovalainen, which in turn forced Maldonado into a bit of a hold up. Hamilton went for a pass, and you wouldn't blame him with a car that is much much faster, and hit Maldonado. His lap was already not at the best it could have been before the first incident.

Well Hami added insult to injury, plus Maldo went wide. I'm on Hamilton's side on this one and don't see how others can see fault in this today?

 

[Müle]

And you're pro-Hamilton it seems, so if Lewis ever gets into an incident like this, you go and try to blame it on the other driver involved.

And don't get into mind reading now. None of us can do it, which includes you. So you can't go around stating as fact that Maldonado deliberately turned in on Lewis. You have no onboard footage of it, so please calm yourself down before you upset even more people.

I can at least realize when it's his fault. Monaco was his fault. This isn't his fault.

lol @ saying I need to "calm down." Good one, kiddo.

 

[C-ZETA]

I've taken a look at it again.

Hamilton looks like he's taking a normal line down through that half corner towards Eau Rouge...Maldonado looked like he went straight on there TBH. Maldonado's fault there now I've taken a better look at it.

 

[UK-Gamer]

I've watched that vid about 100 times and all I can see is Hami making a slight adjustment to stay out of the grass/barriers and Maldo cuts straight across him.

 

[Peter.]

I can at least realize when it's his fault. Monaco was his fault. This isn't his fault.

lol @ saying I need to "calm down." Good one, kiddo.

I'm not saying it's Lewis' fault entirely, but he is not completely innocent. You are blaming Pastor entirely for this incident, accusing him of intentional collision, and exaggerating whatever movements he made. You're twisting the story to fit your opinion.

And yes, you do need to calm down, because you're stirring up things in this thread.

 

[Adam41]

Barrichello was being slowed by Kovalainen which slowed up Maldonado. Maldonado tried to get a good run on to the straight by taking a wider line, because he was up Rubens' backside and he thought he had enough time to do another lap. Hamilton was on a flyer, so Hamilton has the right of way and he took the chance to overtake. Maldonado's problem.

Hamilton's jerk to the right after the hairpin was uncalled for and he shouldn't have done it. It probably only aggrevated Maldonado more.

From this point, Quali is now over. Hamilton is going slower than Maldonado, and therefore shouldn't expect to slow down any more. How on Earth does he know that a driver is going to turn towards him (Hamilton may have turned towards him, too) when the chequered flag has been waved? You wouldn't normally see a driver overtaking another on an in-lap, the corner after the chequered flag has been waved.

Until there's a reverse angle of the one already being shown in this thread, then I can't really comment on who turned into who.

My thoughts.

 

[Müle]

I'm not saying it's Lewis' fault entirely, but he is not completely innocent. You are blaming Pastor entirely for this incident, accusing him of intentional collision, and exaggerating whatever movements he made. You're twisting the story to fit your opinion.

And yes, you do need to calm down, because you're stirring up things in this thread.

Why are you singling ME out, though? Look, right above your post!

I've watched that vid about 100 times and all I can see is Hami making a slight adjustment to stay out of the grass/barriers and Maldo cuts straight across him.

I'm not the only one who agrees!

 

[F1 fan]

So you can read his mind now?

Give me a break.

No, I can't read his mind. What I can see is video evidence. Both were being stupid in this case. Had Hamilton backed out of it, he would have just made Maldonado look stupid. Maybe when he turned in, he expected Maldonado to react and turn away, but clearly the best option was to just back off.

You are again starting to show your true colours, started off reasonable now it is deliberate and intentional by Hamilton to turn in and hit Maldonado.

I know Vettel lost the car but going by your post history, Lewis seems to be always in the wrong while for Vettel you can make excuses for him all day long. What about contact with the Force India last year too.

Spa last year was a terrible weekend for Vettel. Every once in a while a driver has one. Button at Korea in 2010 for example. Clearly we are just on opposite sides here, but in terms of this little debate we are having, you are to blame as much as I am. I'm not placing blame on any one driver. I'm saying both were at fault. Trouble is, I said that in my first reaction to the incident and the Hamilton fans would have none of it. Since then, I've been responding to them.

So if my recent posts seem a bit one sided, it's because no one has said Pastor wasn't to blame. I said they were both to blame, but a few people won't accept any responsibilty on Hamilton's part.

 

[Akmuq]

Right, Hamilton had let Maldonado through coming out of La Source, before Maldonado was through Hamilton had moved to the middle, but he went out to the left again. As the track was turning towards the right, Hamilton was moving inwards towards the racing line. Maldonado decided to turn left, Crash, Bang, Cablam! Maldonado goes through Hamilton's front wing.

100% Maldonado's fault, it was a right turn, not a left turn. He should be kicked out of the race but he'll more likely get a 10 place grid drop instead.

And then we get one of his trademark radio messages. [insert name] just tried taking me off... That was deliberate".

How can you tell it was deliberate Lewis? Can you read people's minds? Can you read mine?

Wow, we almost managed 5 days before F1 Fan has critisized Hamilton in the GP thread. That must be a new record.

 

[F1 fan]

Wow, we almost managed 5 days before F1 Fan has critisized Hamilton in the GP thread. That must be a new record.

So are you saying he wasn't to blame for any of it? May I remind you that personal attacks are forbidden by the AUP? Have you even read all of the posts in this thread?

 

[Müle]

So are you saying he wasn't to blame for any of it? May I remind you that personal attacks are forbidden by the AUP? Have you even read all of the posts in this thread?

I fail to see any personal attacks in that post.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Spa last year was a terrible weekend for Vettel. Every once in a while a driver has one. Button at Korea in 2010 for example. Clearly we are just on opposite sides here, but in terms of this little debate we are having, you are to blame as much as I am. I'm not placing blame on any one driver. I'm saying both were at fault. Trouble is, I said that in my first reaction to the incident and the Hamilton fans would have none of it. Since then, I've been responding to them.

So if my recent posts seem a bit one sided, it's because no one has said Pastor wasn't to blame. I said they were both to blame, but a few people won't accept any responsibilty on Hamilton's part.

Can Hamilton not have a bad weekend then and if it does it shows his true colours? I'm also a fan of Vettel by the way. I know you a fan also so I find it amazing you find acceptable for one driver to make errors but if the other does the same it is amplified by a huge number and it is because that is his true colours being shown.

I've still kept my intial reaction and I see now many other posters are getting to that view after seeing more onboard footage. Hamilton is at fault for not avoiding Maldonado is the jist I'm getting from you but if anyone is trying to hit someone intentionally it is Maldonado. You only have to see the view of Maldonado turning in on Hamilton on the final corner of the lap and it looked quite deliberate as he could see Hamilton beside him and Maldonado was the one going on to the grass afterwards the corner later. He wouldn't have if he had no intention to squeeze Hamilton.

 

[Akmuq]

So are you saying he wasn't to blame for any of it? May I remind you that personal attacks are forbidden by the AUP? Have you even read all of the posts in this thread?

Yes I have actually. And it wasn't a personal attack, it was a fact.


Anyways, I found a video which is slightly better then the one already posted a couple pages back. The reverse to the old video is on it but it ain't that clear. Anyways, here.

 

[C-ZETA]

May I remind you that personal attacks are forbidden by the AUP?

That was a personal attack to you?! Looks like your sense of humor isn't actually an entity of the world

 

[UK-Gamer]

Now can everyone accept Leiws was turning in for the corner and Maldo ploughed into him.. or is there some sort of explanation of how Hamilto is acting badly ect.?

 

[Ardius]

I have to say I'm pretty shocked to see this forum throw their full criticism at Hamilton in this incident. Is everyone high or drunk? (or the majority it seems).
I've been pretty critical of Hamilton this year, especially his Monaco GP. But here today, he did nothing seriously wrong. Maldonado had a right to be annoyed with that last corner but taking your frustration and crashing into another driver on the track is totally unacceptable.

Those who are saying Hamilton could have/should have backed off and let Maldonado past towards Eau Rouge....what? Maldonado came across the track and into Hamilton! How on earth is he meant to avoid that?

There is no justification for what Maldonado did. Even if we assumed he didn't intentionally crash into Hamilton, he knew he was there and he wasn't on a fast lap, so why did he move across the track towards him? Both of them were on in-laps, there was no reason to drive that close to each other so I don't see many legitimate excuses Maldonado can give.

Anyway, I'm very very happy to see Bruno Senna doing so well. So many doubts and criticism all because of a name, he is a good driver, not just there on name. I hope he doesn't throw it all away tomorrow and keeps up the good form.

 

[F1 fan]

That was a personal attack to you?! Looks like your sense of humor isn't actually an entity of the world

Perhaps I over reacted, but it seems it is becoming a trend to make some sarcastic post about me in the race threads. And as for Akmuq, there was one personal attack where he called me out in one thread before. I answered his angry little post in a calm manner leaving it open with a question. I don't know whether he saw it or not, but there was no response from him.

Point is we have a bit of history.

Edit: Ardius, if you were referring to me, my posts clearly state that I think both drivers were to blame. It's just that when I claimed Hamilton was partly responsible It started a big chain of posts that has mostly ignored Maldonado's guilt. I think around an hour ago, I labelled Maldonado the instigator, but still that's no reason for Hamilton to turn in on him. Today he could have been mature, backed off and waved his fist at Maldonado, instead he turned in towards him and made no attempt to slow down on what was a cool down lap.

He's a world champion and a household name worldwide. Today was a good chance to show some class. He didn't take it.

 

[Akmuq]

Perhaps I over reacted, but it seems it is becoming a trend to make some sarcastic post about me in the race threads. And as for Akmuq, there was one personal attack where he called me out in one thread before. I answered his angry little post in a calm manner leaving it open with a question. I don't know whether he saw it or not, but there was no response from him.

Point is we have a bit of history.

What?


*Off to the previous GP threads*

 

[F1 fan]

What?


*Off to the previous GP threads*

It was quite a while ago, so you may have to search a while if you really want to. Despite my involvement in some heated debates on GTP, I think some people make me out to be worse than I am.

 

[Akmuq]

It was quite a while ago, so you may have to search a while if you really want to. Despite my involvement in some heated debates on GTP, I think some people make me out to be worse than I am.

Whatever, I searched for like 10 minutes and decided there was no point whatsoever.

 

[Feschka]

Same scene, imo it's quite unclear what they're doing both...

 

[UK-Gamer]

Same scene, imo it's quite unclear what they're doing both...

Its quite clear, Hami makes an adjustment to take the corner (look at when the camera follows after impact, if he kept going straight he would've been in the grass/barriers). Maldo is clearly going the wrong way into Eau Rouge.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Today he could have been mature, backed off and waved his fist at Maldonado, instead he turned in towards him and made no attempt to slow down on what was a cool down lap.

He's a world champion and a household name worldwide. Today was a good chance to show some class. He didn't take it.

Waving fists is hardly mature. How slow do you want him to go, maybe slow enough to stall? Maldonado overtaked him on the cool down lap to be alongside him. It looks like Hamilton shown him the direction to turn but Maldonado still steered towards Lewis and Lewis was steering away from the edge of the track and they both converged and hit each other.

The commentators thought Maldonado was in the wrong and that should make the general public think what was Maldonado thinking, I doubt many will be thinking Hamilton not showing any class for being the 'victim' in this.