2011 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix

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The only thing that Senna must not do is jump his car like those before him at Renault..."looks at Petrov and Heidfield"

I do have to say, Renault has been involved in many F1 accidents this year. Petrov-Malaysia, Petrov-Monaco, Heidfeld-Canada, Heidfeld-Europe, Heidfeld-Hungary. And Kubica had his accident before the year began...

Bad omen much? :eek:
 
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The time on these 2 pieces of paper are the same...

Does that imply it was for the same incident - or is this merely the time the pieces of paper came off the printer?

C.
 
The time on these 2 pieces of paper are the same...

Does that imply it was for the same incident - or is this merely the time the pieces of paper came off the printer?

C.

The time of incident on the paper is the same but the actual time of report is different by a minute as you can see on the top part of each report. FIA really need to have better explanations on the actual report as they are more or less identical, just different penalties for infringing the same rules. They should say why.

More reactions http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/14691716.stm.

Good to see they have kissed and made up :sly:. The interviews I've seen and read about Maldonado seems like his intention was to maybe square up with Lewis to wave fists but ended up going badly wrong quickly. It is so easily done as Mücke has shown. You might not have the intention to crash into someone but it ends up happening so quickly. It's good that this did not happen at flat out speeds and that Lewis managed to qualify reasonably well even with the damage. The final lap he did is not inspiring to me if the car is going to behave like that in race day and hopefully it was the damage causing it, otherwise the car itself could break apart in the race if dry unless Lewis backs off a bit.
 
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Heidfeld's last memory of driving an F1 car is driving out the pits, then jumping out due to fire and his F1 career could be on the verge of going up in flames. Would be good to see Heidfeld have a better memory (One last drive this season at least) and I hope that Renault does not catch fire anytime soon for both Senna and Petrov's sake. Good to see the Senna name back in F1 and also in a familar liveried car.

Well at least we now know that when a driver in a renault has it go up in flames there career will end soon after :lol:. I agree though somewhat sad for Nick to have it end like that. Yeah if Senna does good in this livery it will be haunting to say the least :lol:

I do have to say, Renault has been involved in many F1 accidents this year. Petrov-Malaysia, Petrov-Monaco, Heidfeld-Canada, Heidfeld-Europe, Heidfeld-Hungary. And Kubica had his accident before the year began...

Bad omen much? :eek:

Let's hope Senna breaks the cycle 👍
 
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Well at least we now know that when a driver in a renault has it go up in flames there career will end soon after :lol:. I agree though somewhat sad for Nick to have it end like that. Yeah if Senna does good in this livery it will be haunting to say the least :lol:

That is why Kubica has still a chance of returning ;). Bruno Senna is doing amazingly well to have reached this position considering the journey he has had in motorsport and hopefully he shows in the next few races it is not just his name but actual talent that got him there. I think it is talent waiting to be unleased as he was sort of forced to take about a 10 year break and with less experience he is fighting up there already and found his way into a decent team even with quite a few set backs. Hopefully he can progress well in a better environment and a team with much more experience than HRT.
 
Really pleased for Senna. To do that without much time on the Pirelli tyres is fantastic, although with the ever drying track, maybe there was a little bit of luck mixed in? Either way he's done well to be up there.
 
Hamilton gets a reprimand and Maldonado gets a 5 spot grid penalty. Guess that means Maldonado was at fault for the incident.
 
Hamilton gets a reprimand and Maldonado gets a 5 spot grid penalty. Guess that means Maldonado was at fault for the incident.

Well the incident after La Source definately wasn't hamiltons fault. Either I Maldonado was annoyed, tried to overtake him back and missjudged it, or he did it on purpose.

Very, very foolish of Maldonado. He is lucky to have only the 5 place penalty.
 
Definitely wasn't Hamilton's fault. Was just curious how the FIA would decide on that.

Hamilton probably made that move the right to try to get Maldonado off of him, but only Hamilton knows why he did that quick move to the right.

Hopefully the race is exciting, but it's Spa and there's always something exciting during the Belgian GP.
 
Senna really surprised me. After seeing how his old teammate did compared to Kovaleinen I wasn't expecting anything from Senna. He beat Petrov in Q1 and Q3, and Q2 could easily have been determined by the timing of everything. He was very smart and was good with the tactics involved with qualifying. Let's see what they can do tomorrow.👍


Also, Alguersauri was brilliant today, but I fear he is on a 90-100% dry setup.




Anyways, I said Button win a few days ago and I stick with it. Altough I had tought Webber was going to get pole.



Tomorrow= Rain, safety cars, bit of dry, thiller of a race.

For the first lap, if it's dry, Hamilton will have the lead going up the Kemmel straight, wet and Webber will have the lead on lap 2.
 
MS is starting last but he should attack and go for points. Alonso will want to get podium and Button is starting at P13. Hope tomorrows race is intresting :)
 
The whole Hamilton vs Maldonado incident reminds me of Alonso on Petrov at Abu Dhabi last year. I think that Hamilton's move on the inside of Maldonado was a bit aggressive, but Maldonado's lap was already compromised by the Lotus ahead of the Williams'.

The move after La source was clearly deliberate in my opinion. Maybe he didn't intend to do damage or even make contact, but it's clear that it wasn't just a mistake either, he turned into Hamilton, it doesn't take a british commentator to come to the conclusion that Maldonado was at fault here. An on-board from Maldonado's car would be good, only the stewards would have had access to this. Say what you will, but Pastor got the penalty so it's fairly clear it wasn't Lewis' fault. From the eyes of the stewards this was the case, and they did have the on-board from Maldonado's car available to them.
 
In other news, (I don't believe there's a thread for this) but Romain Grosjean sealed the GP2 title early.
 
Oh how I would love to see either Alguersuari or Senna win this. With Vettel behind in 3rd, of course. :D
 
Its completely impossible for Senna to win, I don't think I could take that! Thats beyond my imagination :lol:.
 
I love to talk weather, so today there's a chance for a patcy rain and perhaps a heavy one before the end of the race. So for those who were already on a wet setup, still a safe one.
 
You haven't a clue, have you? Let's break down everything that is wrong with what you're saying.

No you know what, you don't have a clue.

If you think its better to have an impact rather than back off good for you. Obviously you fail to notice that drivers back off hundreds of times a race because, maybe for some crazy reason, they actually want to finish. Your taking 'backing off' as freaking out and running away which is simply not the case and not at all what I was talking about.
 
No you know what, you don't have a clue.

If you think its better to have an impact rather than back off good for you. Obviously you fail to notice that drivers back off hundreds of times a race because, maybe for some crazy reason, they actually want to finish. Your taking 'backing off' as freaking out and running away which is simply not the case and not at all what I was talking about.

But why do you have to back off even more when you already have done so and are being overtaken? This is on an in lap as well, there was no need for Maldonado to go alongside him other than waving fist reasons.

Anyway here is a video of Vettel's pole lap. Good to see the commitment and amazing to see how late you can brake even in damp conditions.

 
'There's no place for that kind of driving on a race track'

Unless you're Lewis Hamilton, then it's completely fine.
 
'There's no place for that kind of driving on a race track'

Unless you're Lewis Hamilton, then it's completely fine.

Yeah, but all the collisions he causes are just poor overtaking attempts. Maldonado's was an act of RAGE!

He always looked like an angry person. Didn't expect these things from a minister.
 
'There's no place for that kind of driving on a race track'

Unless you're Lewis Hamilton, then it's completely fine.
There's a difference between an aggressive lunge down the inside of a slower car, and deliberately chopping across the front of a car resulting in an avoidable accident.
 
Great qualy! Good to see Vettel on pole again (I'm probably the only one saying that at this point)! Great drives from Bruno and Jaime. Great to see the Senna name doing well in the Black and Gold again. Looks like Button forget to set a good enough lap in Q2, and Alonso must've been too busy eating an ice cream sandwich to get higher than 8th. If the start of the race is dry, we'll see Seb and Lewis battle it out at the start, with Vettel using the RB7 to get ahead.
 
I'm just waiting for Hugo Chavez to come out and say that Maldonado is the victim of an American conspiracy.
 
Okay you know what? Who wants some Montreal hardcore RAIN! No red flags, no safety car, no BS... who wants this race to become a CLASSIC?! Right now, it says of a 20% chance of rain at Spa...:yuck::yuck::yuck::yuck::yuck:
 
I want a classic :). We don't necessarily need rain during the race to have a good race at spa. Maybe a strong enough downpour during the night to wash away the rubber that has been laid down or a slightly damp surface at the start.

I want to see a beast of a race though. We have Alonso and Button quite far back. Could be a recipe for a classic. Maybe we'll see something good from Schumi too.
 
I thought Senna did very well for it being his first race in a while. In Q2, the way he kept sliding the car around constantly really reminded me of Ayrton...

Rain would make this an amazing race, but if it doesnt I think Vettel will walk away into the sunset...
 
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