2011 Formula 1 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix

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Seriously. Is there any point in watching tomorrow? :rolleyes:
 
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Seriously. Is there any point in watching tomorrow? :rolleyes:

Just watch what's going on at the back and the midfield. Ignore the front if you think that Vettel winning away is bothering you... In the end, he might be the one to provide some good entertainment tomorrow.
 
If only Perez had been beat out by both Williams, then all first six rows would be held by same team cars. First five is still pretty cool though.
 
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Seriously. Is there any point in watching tomorrow? :rolleyes:

So? If he pulls a big lead right away the TV coverage barely even follows him. You still get to watch all the other close racing going on.
 
That Turn 10 is also in my opinion a silly corner but at the same time very challenging. Hopefully they would do something with it because it has caught up many drivers throughout its life and are waiting for more serious incident down at the corner.

They say it's due to safety reasons, with there being little to no run-off. With the low cornering speed any impact is unlikely to damage the safety cell or break the wheel tethers or anything like that, so it's pretty safe in that respect. However, I would challenge the safety of that corner on the grounds that back injuries can occur with the kerbs being so high. We've had drivers slip discs and what not in other formulas from impacts like that (Though it happens very rarely).

I think the whole corner needs to be reconsidered.

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Maybe it needs to go around the cathedral and along Northbridge road so it bypasses that corner completely. (Though that would probably block the other bridge, which would cause more traffic problems for road users). Or it could go an alternative route alongside 'Esplanade park' after turn 8, to bypass that section and rejoin at turn 13, though this might shorten the overall track length to below FIA requirements.
 
Do you know what the definition of insanity is?

It's when you do the same thing over and over and expect different results. Honestly, I'm amazed that we're fourteen races into the season and you haven't worked out that Vettel is unstoppable just yet.

Well, i'm a hopeful type of person, who will keep on hoping that things turn around and change for once. Why am I insane now? Only person who is probably insane is you for that new username of yours. :lol:
 
They say it's due to safety reasons, with there being little to no run-off. With the low cornering speed any impact is unlikely to damage the safety cell or break the wheel tethers or anything like that, so it's pretty safe in that respect. However, I would challenge the safety of that corner on the grounds that back injuries can occur with the kerbs being so high. We've had drivers slip discs and what not in other formulas from impacts like that (Though it happens very rarely).

I think the whole corner needs to be reconsidered.
Maybe it needs to go around the cathedral and along Northbridge road so it bypasses that corner completely. (Though that would probably block the other bridge, which would cause more traffic problems for road users). Or it could go an alternative route alongside 'Esplanade park' after turn 8, to bypass that section and rejoin at turn 13, though this might shorten the overall track length to below FIA requirements.

I think a chicane on the straight before it would work and allow a smother curve, or as Brundle said go through the golf club, its only golf afterall!
 
Well, i'm a hopeful type of person, who will keep on hoping that things turn around and change for once. Why am I insane now? Only person who is probably insane is you for that new username of yours. :lol:

He uses it on another forum, so I think it just is something he wants to use on other forums too. Who knows.
 
They say it's due to safety reasons, with there being little to no run-off.

There's plenty of room on the inside of the corner so why not if they replace the chicane with a smoother curve on Turn 10 and connect cleanly to Turn 12 that will become Turn 11? However then the circuit will lose the specialty of ''Singapore Sling''...

If they reduce the height of the curbing, drivers will take advantage over it unless they place something to prevent the drivers from cutting the chicane. If they keep the same height, there's a high chance of what's happening earlier to Kobayashi to happen again or perhaps waiting for something a whole lot serious in race condition.
 
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Seriously. Is there any point in watching tomorrow? :rolleyes:

If the only reason to follow racing was to find out who the winner is, there would be no point in watching any races at all because we can simply read the results afterward. Watching a race is for the actual racing and not just who comes out in first place. Not only are proper race fans interested in second place, third place, fifth place, and tenth place, but very much in how we got to those results.
 
What the hell was Lewis Hamilton playing at on that outlap? He seriously compromised Felipe Massa's lap because Massa slowed right down to let Hamilton go. But speed is carried through that final corner, onto the main straight and into the flying lap. Since Massa slowed right down, he'd be slower going onto the straight, and thus set a slower flying lap. And that's not mentioning the way Hamilton nearly collided with him at Turn 19.

This isn't the first time we've seen Lewis Hamilton do this in qualifying. At the end of Q2 in Belgium, he muscled Pastor Maldonado wide coming out of the Bus Stop. Hamilton made it to Q3 with that lap, but Maldonado was elminated in 16th place. Maybe Maldonado would not have made it to Q3, but with the track drying out as that session went on, he stood a real chance of moving up a few rows - maybe even out-qualifying Rubens Barrichello for 14th on the grid. But Hamilton forced him wide, out onto the wet track, which would have cost Maldonado a lot of time.

Hamilton simply has no respect for the other drivers. When he joined the back of the queue in the Singapore pits, it was his mistake. All McLaren had to do was look down the end of the row and see the two Ferraris queued behind Button. Common sense dictated waiting, which Vettel did. But even then, what was stopping Hamilton from cruising around for an entire lap and letting the other three go? For some bizarre season, he felt he had to be sandwishced between two Ferraris in order to set a good lap time when he should have backed off and gotten himself into clear air.

It's been said before, and doubtless it will be said again: Hamilton simply cannot see beyond his front wing, and I'm having a really hard time justifying it when he does soemthing like this. His fans will doubtlessly come up with some inane excuse, but I'm losing a lot of respect for Hamilton he just doesn't care about anyone else on the track. His ans will say he has the right to set a competitive lap time - but if that's true, then so too do the other twenty-three drivers have that right.

Maybe it needs to go around the cathedral and along Northbridge road so it bypasses that corner completely. (Though that would probably block the other bridge, which would cause more traffic problems for road users). Or it could go an alternative route alongside 'Esplanade park' after turn 8, to bypass that section and rejoin at turn 13, though this might shorten the overall track length to below FIA requirements.
This (a rough approximation) is what needs to be done. If they're going to remove Turn 10, they might as well go all the way and get rid of all the chicanes along the waterfront.
 
Their take on it was that Massa was in the way and that Hamilton therefore was unable to build optimum tyre temperature and also reach an optimum speed before starting the lap.

It was just dumb.
 
Very, since Hamilton would need to negotiate two more slow corners before opening the throttle as wide as it could go.
 
This is what to do with the track. Extended turn 7, chicane a bit before turn 10, other side of the esplanade bridge and better overtaking into what was turn 14. The chicanes before and after the grandstand have been straightened a bit and the final corner curved more.
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Nice take on the track I like it, but I kind of enjoy the cars bouncing the curbs it creates a challenge and reminds me of other autosports that have that same issue. Nascar @ Sonoma and Watkins Glen or V8 Supercars at Bathurst and various other tracks. Just a fun thing to watch but I can also see why others don't like it.
 
The curb hopping is better suited for closed roof racers. Open wheel is too rigid to have them bouncing over anything.

Also, that 5 spot grid penalty on Liuzzi is a bit pointless now with him qualifying 24th.
 
I think Brundle was referring to the building in front of the chicane. The reason why the chicane exists is because there is no run-off for cars to go down - if someone over-cooked it, they'd be nose first into the armco at speed. There is no real solution to the problem short of reconfiguring the circuit to bypass the offending corner, or tearing down the building opposite the chicane to allow for run-off.

But I do like the idea of moving the chicane up the road a little bit. It could be modelled on the ones across the back straight at Surfers' Paradise; the cars slow down, but not to a complete halt.
 
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94818 Could be bad if it rains, the light hitting the spray would be terrible, probably would need a cancelation or postponement.

But I do like the idea of moving the chicane up the road a little bit. It could be modelled on the ones across the back straight at Surfers' Paradise; the cars slow down, but not to a complete halt.

Yeah thats what I meant, just don't make it terrible like that thing on the Baltimore Indy circuit.
 
While dangerous, it would be quite exciting to see Singapore under wet conditions.
 
My satallite dish just got punt out by the lightning this morning for the second time...
Seems i'm gonna miss this live race. :grumpy:
 
The curb hopping is better suited for closed roof racers. Open wheel is too rigid to have them bouncing over anything.

Also, that 5 spot grid penalty on Liuzzi is a bit pointless now with him qualifying 24th.

It's a standard penalty given to a driver post race if the stewards see him as responsible for an on track incident. If he starts 19th, 20th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd or 24th, he'll start 24th anyway.

Here's to hoping someone can beat Vettel off the line.
 
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