2011 Formula One Grand Prix de Monaco

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The Outlaw
Yes...and that fact that people have little else to talk about (other than what Hamilton said), is IMO rather sad quite frankly.
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Little else to talk about? I think you mean people like to talk a lot about the off-track action rather than on-track. Perhaps its sad or perhaps that just being human, I think its clear we all like to talk about the human side much more than the sporting side...in any sport.
In other words of course Lewis' comments are provoking more reaction than a win by Vettel or a great drive by Kobayashi...thats the whole point of "controversy".
 
What do you guys think of Ferrari's line on Massa's crash?
Ferrari
Felipe Massa was less fortunate in the other Ferrari, knocked out of the race by a move from Lewis Hamilton in the McLaren.
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From my understanding, Lewis just swept past Massa who went onto the marbles then crashed?
 
F1 fan
If you don't know why words like these are dangerous then I can't help you. Hamilton's colour has never been an issue before. Suddenly he starts having some problems and that's what he (jokingly or not) blames it on.


I'm sorry, but if someone hints that they are a victim of racial prejudice, that is a big thing in my book. If he's joking about it, then he's crying wolf trying to get sympathy. One of my friends is Japanese and is currently getting harrassed because of this, so I don't take this kind of thing lightly.
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In his autobiography he says about how in his early karting days he was often prejudiced against because of his skin colour.

He also got excluded from his secondary school just because he was near where an "incident" happened, and put this down to racism.

I do agree that saying this was not really needed and probably shouldn't have said it, however using Ali G in the same sentence shows that he obviously wasn't being serious.
 
I feel there may be a dangerous precedent set. If the driver in front does not give the driver behind any space, then he can cause the driver behind a penalty. If Schumacher for example turned in as usual early on the race and not given Hamilton any space at the first corner, then Hamilton would have got a drive-through penalty. If Hamilton shut the door at the hairpin with Schumacher attempting to pass, Schumacher would have got a penalty.

I must say the McLaren is quite strong compared to last year as I reckon if it was the previous years car and tyres he might of had a puncture and broke his wheel off. Anyway I can't believe McLaren did that on the pits, call him in and then leave just as he was approaching the pit lane. Without that he could have been ahead of Webber and not been involved with the incidents further behind.

All in all, he got some good points and keeps 2nd in the championship, not bad for an eventful race. He got hit by Schumacher at the start which broke something at the back of the car, and a Toro Rosso car going into the back of him destroying his rear wing which ended up causing Petrov behind to crash and Red Flag the race.

It was quite eventful and you have to remember he only had contact with Maldonado a lap before the end so his interview must be fresh of Maldonado closing the door heavily and early. Maldonado must of either not seen, or planned to use all the curb to shut the door completely. It is funny seeing Hamilton raise his hands then realised Maldonado was then pointing the wrong way and quickly put his hand down. It would have been a great pass if Maldonado gave Lewis space but ended up being a penalty due to Maldonado shutting the door when they were alongside it each other which made inevitable for contact to be made which forced Lewis to cut the chicane and into a bollard.

I think he was expecting like Schumacher for him to give room but he had other plans, same like expecting Massa to give some room like he did for Schumacher but Massa ended up making contact with Webber and also closing any space Lewis had on the inside. Lewis did not dive down and not slow down enough to make the corner as he was quite clearly tight around the apex but he was powerless at the point of either Massa giving slight room or just simply turning in completely. It ended up being Lewis fault due to Massa not giving him space, same as Maldonado and in the public eye it will look calamitous but it could have been all so different. That is the risk with opportunistic overtaking moves and Lewis ended up not really paying that much of a heavy price in race points but his PR image would have been hampered heavily.

Maybe he can bounce back with a win next race but it will be interesting to see if FIA do something over Lewis's post-race comments.
 
Just clicked post reply on the first page. Have no idea who won. I just know Button lead Vettel then Vettel got it back and there was a restart or something with 6 laps left. I just saw that blacquejacque said it was a great race in an other thread. Can't wait.:dopey:
 
lbsf1
In his autobiography he says about how in his early karting days he was often prejudiced against because of his skin colour.

He also got excluded from his secondary school just because he was near where an "incident" happened, and put this down to racism.

I do agree that saying this was not really needed and probably shouldn't have said it, however using Ali G in the same sentence shows that he obviously wasn't being serious.
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Yeah, I meant in F1. It hasn't been an issue except where one or two spaniards were concerned. And no, I'm not talking about Alonso, just that idiotic Alonso fan.


saidur_ali
I feel there may be a dangerous precedent set. If the driver in front does not give the driver behind any space, then he can cause the driver behind a penalty. If Schumacher for example turned in as usual early on the race and not given Hamilton any space at the first corner, then Hamilton would have got a drive-through penalty. If Hamilton shut the door at the hairpin with Schumacher attempting to pass, Schumacher would have got a penalty.

I must say the McLaren is quite strong compared to last year as I reckon if it was the previous years car and tyres he might of had a puncture and broke his wheel off. Anyway I can't believe McLaren did that on the pits, call him in and then leave just as he was approaching the pit lane. Without that he could have been ahead of Webber and not been involved with the incidents further behind.

All in all, he got some good points and keeps 2nd in the championship, not bad for an eventful race. He got hit by Schumacher at the start which broke something at the back of the car, and a Toro Rosso car going into the back of him destroying his rear wing which ended up causing Petrov behind to crash and Red Flag the race.

It was quite eventful and you have to remember he only had contact with Maldonado a lap before the end so his interview must be fresh of Maldonado closing the door heavily and early. Maldonado must of either not seen, or planned to use all the curb to shut the door completely. It is funny seeing Hamilton raise his hands then realised Maldonado was then pointing the wrong way and quickly put his hand down. It would have been a great pass if Maldonado gave Lewis space but ended up being a penalty due to Maldonado shutting the door when they were alongside it each other which made inevitable for contact to be made which forced Lewis to cut the chicane and into a bollard.

I think he was expecting like Schumacher for him to give room but he had other plans, same like expecting Massa to give some room like he did for Schumacher but Massa ended up making contact with Webber and also closing any space Lewis had on the inside. Lewis did not dive down and not slow down enough to make the corner as he was quite clearly tight around the apex but he was powerless at the point of either Massa giving slight room or just simply turning in completely. It ended up being Lewis fault due to Massa not giving him space, same as Maldonado and in the public eye it will look calamitous but it could have been all so different. That is the risk with opportunistic overtaking moves and Lewis ended up not really paying that much of a heavy price in race points but his PR image would have been hampered heavily.

Maybe he can bounce back with a win next race but it will be interesting to see if FIA do something over Lewis's post-race comments.
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Are you actually suggesting that Lewis wasn't to blame at all?... *shakes head*..

And one more thing... "Could of" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You should say "could have".
 
terminator363
I missed the race could I catch it later somewhere?
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TSN will show highlights on sports centre... Will someone do me a favour and tell TSN that Lewis Hamilton is NOT the defending champion. Their ad for the Canadian grand prix implies that he is. I think they're getting confused because he won the Canadian Grand Prix last season. It's highly irritating though.
 
Wow what a race. Vettel was extremley lucky the last two days, but he was dominant every other race.
I think this is the end of Vettel's dominance. Canada is no-doubt a Mclaren track and this season I think they have developed better in high downforce then Red Bull, so I'm starting to favour them on medium downforce tracks, like Valencia. Also, 2 DRS zones from now on.
 
So another overtaking frenzy :D
Let's hope for rain in Canada, I wanna see some action!
 
The Outlaw
...and that fact that people have little else to talk about (other than what Hamilton said), is IMO rather sad quite frankly.
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You've missed out on a great thread then - lots of issues have been covered in detail and lots of posters have expressed some very different opinions in a sensible way.

Lewis Hamilton's comments take on an importance for a number of reasons;

a) The FIA has moved on from a period of horrendously xenophobic bias. '89 Japanese GP?

b) Racial discrimination has been a cultural foundation in parts of Europe. We've moved on from that and take great effort to stamp out its remnants - accusations of racism can leave to people feeling very upset.

c) Much has been made of Hamilton representing a minority in motorsports - mixed-race drivers of partial African origin rather than drivers of visibly European or Latin ethnicity

Hamilton's comments were almost certainly a joke, but making them in officially provided FIA press time was inadvisable. Regardless of whether he feels race is an issue he certainly feels (as he commented) that the stewards are victimising him. He'd already gone too far in his comments and should have wound his neck in.

Hopefully this will all blow over without too much incident - but something tells me that the motorsport press will recognise the important issues raised by that single silly throw-away comment.
 
F1 fan
Are you actually suggesting that Lewis wasn't to blame at all?... *shakes head*..

And one more thing... "Could of" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You should say "could have".
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He was slightly to blame I think for the Massa one, maybe it was a bit pointless of risking a little bit as Massa was much further ahead but the Maldonado one was pretty much like the Schumacher one, difference is Maldonado did not see him and was just concentrating on making the corner which he has said himself.

I saw this posted on AutoSport forum, the onboards of the incidents and you can see Lewis was not desperate in his moves, he relied on the other driver giving him some space like most drivers do when someone attempts to overtake you, not shut the door completely. The website is a bit slow but shows the onboards of both incidents.

http://www.f1arab.com/2011/05/29/hamilton-handed-post-race-penalty/

I agree with your last point but you can clearly read I said "could have" and not "could of" *facepalm*. If you are going to insult someone on their grammar then at least do it properly. People make mistakes online all the time, nitpicking posts to that degree and then criticizing it due to you reading what you want to see is not good for your credibility.
 
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No, actually you could clearly read "could of". I know you meant "could have", but "could of" is used quite a lot by people on the internet. It's incorrect and annoying. Hence why I corrected you.

Edit: My mistake. You didn't say "could of". You said "might of". Still makes absolutely no sense. "Might have" is correct.
 
Wow! What a race. I disliked starting over at the end. But, oh well.

How long before I see a gif of Vettle spraying the royal guard in the face with bug juice?
 
Great quote from McLaren;

Martin Whitmarsh
Immediately after the race he was very down and during a post-race TV interview he made a poor joke about his penalties that referenced Ali G. However, I'm pleased to say that he chose to return to the track a little while later to speak to the stewards about the joke. They accepted his explanation.
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For "chose to return to the track" you could probably read "led back by his ears with a team manager on either side" :D
 
I thought the restart at the end ruined the race, much like it did with the qualifying. It looked like the last few laps would have been some of the best racing this year with both alonso and button in a good chance to win, the restart with new tyres all round completely handed the win to vettel.

Nothing to take away from him and his great driving, but he was handed the pole on saturday and then the win today, rather than truly earning it.
 
F1 fan
No, actually you could clearly read "could of". I know you meant "could have", but "could of" is used quite a lot by people on the internet. It's incorrect and annoying. Hence why I corrected you.

Edit: My mistake. You didn't say "could of". You said "might of". Still makes absolutely no sense. "Might have" is correct.
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One minor mistake you managed to point out on quite a long post. I can live with that. I can say writing Spaniards without a capital letter for S is incorrect and annoying as well.
 
Just finished watching the BBC's F1 forum, turns out when Vettel stopped they put the wrong compound on! RBR/Vettel are amazingly lucky. Also 'Red Bull Floaterhome' is a rather unfortunate name.
 
saidur_ali
One minor mistake you managed to point out on quite a long post. I can live with that. I can say writing Spaniards without a capital letter for S is incorrect and annoying as well.
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At least I got the word right.
 
"Why can't all the drivers give way when I dive-bomb up the inside like Jenson usually does?"

That's all I got from the Hamilton interview after the race. He drives very aggressively, forces his car through gaps smaller than his car and expects the other driver to move out of the way. His move on Maldonado in particular was too aggressive. Lewis pulled the same move on Schumacher earlier in the race and he was lucky not to lose his front wing.

With Massa the initial move was marginal, it could have been seen as a racing incident. However, a drive through penalty was given to Di Resta for a near identical move and ontop of that, it resulted in the end of Massa's race. A penalty was deserved and for Hamilton to turn around and blame Massa?

To focus on the race itself (rather than Lewis' comments), I feel Button should have won. I'm clueless as to why he went onto the Super Softs on his second stop, it was clear that two stops would have sufficed. He had track position at Monaco, what were they thinking bringing him in so early? Why, when his pace was good, did they see the need to drop him into clean air on fresh tyres, when he was already in clean air on tyres that weren't that old in relation to Vettel's? Mclaren had the race in their hands and they gave it away when they made that pitstop. Safety car or no safety car, it was a stupid decision in my opinion. Once I saw it was the super softs I had my hands in the air and was shouting at the screen. Had the red flag not occured, I feel Alonso would have taken the victory though, Button's chances of winning were over as soon as he made that second stop.
 
saidur_ali
You didn't get the part of my post you were trying to correct right, not once but twice. Anyway, enough with the bickering. I will stop if you stop.
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Technically I did. I misquoted you as saying "could of" when you actually said "should of". Either way, the word you were looking for is "have".

Could have, would have, should have. I held my hand up and said I got it wrong, but regardless, my advice was sound.
 
Bigbazz
I thought the restart at the end ruined the race, much like it did with the qualifying. It looked like the last few laps would have been some of the best racing this year with both alonso and button in a good chance to win, the restart with new tyres all round completely handed the win to vettel.

Nothing to take away from him and his great driving, but he was handed the pole on saturday and then the win today, rather than truly earning it.
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Yep if that last crash didn't happen I think Alonso could have won because Vettel had basically no tires left.
 
Player7996
Yep if that last crash didn't happen I think Alonso could have won because Vettel had basically no tires left.
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I'm not so sure... Alonso was, as we saw, starting to really struggle with understeer in the mile-or-so before the accidents happened in the backmarkers.

I think Button could have been in a better position than the Red Bull AND the Ferrari. It's a shame that we never got to find out how that fight would end!
 
F1 fan
Technically I did. I misquoted you as saying "could of" when you actually said "should of". Either way, the word you were looking for is "have".

Could have, would have, should have. I held my hand up and said I got it wrong, but regardless, my advice was sound.
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This is why I said "part of my post" and if you replaced everything I wrote with "have" instead of "of" it would be very incorrect. Your advice was sound but clearly correcting the wrong part of my post. I wrote "have" correctly on 7 occasions on that post but you were aggravated by the one time you spotted me slipping up. I actually did the "of" mistake twice if you read correctly but I think I clearly demonstrated a good level of understanding through most of my post and errors can easily crop up when you are quickly typing a post.

Going back on topic, I think people at McLaren were thinking "What is he doing, someone shut him up." I think there would be no love lost between Lewis and Felipe. Similar incidents have happened between them like in Fuji 08, roles reversed. Lewis has still picked up 8 points which could help him win the title, depending on the effect the over-run ban has on teams if it does take place.

How wrong was Jason Plato making an example of Lewis Hamilton just recently.

http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/04/05/exclusive-interview-with-jason-plato-chevrolet

McLaren must have told Lewis off for making comments in the heat of the moment and he might be back to his usual McLaren scripted self and maybe more humble as well.
 

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