2011 Formula One Grand Prix de Monaco

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Had the red flag not occurred I was thinking tha Vettel and Alonso were headed for a shunt. I didn't think Alonso would've been able to make a clean pass -- tires or no, Vettel was showing no signs of leaving the door open. So Button would've won, or Kobayashi if Button had been close enough to be collected when the leaders came together.

Ideally, red flag rules should be a standing start and no tire changes. Reward the guys who think ahead, not the ones who gamble.
 
Directly after an adrenaline filled race or whatever sport people do, they say stupid things.
 
Good race, better than Indy 500 will be, LOL.

I think the overtaking penalties are over the top when you consider how tight Monaco is....no safe places to pass. I was hoping Alonso would get by. But it was by far the best race so far this year in F1.
 
TenEightyOne
@Duffers: What rule? The car can be worked on. In all other sections of the rules that includes changing tyres...
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About the fact that with Bridgestones etc. that wouldn't have mattered as much. But with the Pirellis in completely killed the fight for the lead. There was no point restarting because of that.
 
UK-Gamer
The comment which really got overlooked was the one where he said
"These drivers are frickin' ridiculously stupid"
Yet the joke is the one that gets turned into a frenzy :rolleyes:
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This I agree with more. He's not going to make any more friends in the drivers meetings...
 
TenEightyOne
Stewards said to be furious at Hamilton's comments. They look like a joke on paper but don't sound much like one when you hear him say it.

A silly thing to say in a post-race interview. If the stewards take that as an accusation they can McLaren (by dint of being Hamilton's bosses) under 13.7;
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The Ali G comment was daft, and I share your concern that the stewards may not see the funny side of it at all... I think Hamilton's other comments, however, and his general attitude that he is being unfairly treated by the stewards, are likely to get him into alot of trouble. It is slightly ironic that Lewis goes on to say that he will 'try to keep his mouth shut'... a bit late, I fear.

Here's the interview on the BBC website, by the way... (incase the YouTube version is taken down, as it probably will be...)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13588664.stm
 
Touring Mars
The Ali G comment was daft, and I share your concern that the stewards may not see the funny side of it at all... I think Hamilton's other comments, however, and his general attitude that he is being unfairly treated by the stewards, are likely to get him into alot of trouble. It is slightly ironic that Lewis goes on to say that he will 'try to keep his mouth shut'... a bit late, I fear.
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Yup, Freudian addition perhaps?

I believe he intended to joke - but that it was a joke that was inappropriate for the situation. Hopefully it will be put down to racing temper!
 
The guy's a human being - let him be. It's sorry state of affairs when even such high-profile sportsmen can't speak their minds in an interview without having to fear consequences from the powers that be.

It's an even sorrier state of affairs when people have it in for somebody because to the colour of their skin. Thank God the FIA is French and not Spanish. Mind you, morally speaking, the FIA aren't much better than FIFA...

If I were him, in protest, I would conduct all interviews by simply reading pre-prepared lines from a sheet on paper on a clipboard, with boring, predictable and emotionally ambiguous answers.
 
designate-19L
The guy's a human being - let him be. It's sorry state of affairs when even such high-profile sportsmen can't speak their minds in an interview without having to fear consequences from the powers that be.

It's an even sorrier state of affairs when people have it in for somebody because to the colour of their skin. Thank God the FIA is French and not Spanish. Mind you, morally speaking, the FIA aren't much better than FIFA...
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Or accuse a nation of racism on the actions of a few?

Good one.
 
UK-Gamer
I think if the race ran it's cause, Vettel wouldn't have won. He is a great driver but luck has been there for his benefit.
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You can never know that. He was doing a good job up until the red flag.


UK-Gamer
So? It's called "being human" as long as he laughs about it you know he ain't serious.
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He sounded serious. Have you seen the interview? He's being idiotic.

UK-Gamer
Quite obvious who you would've chosen...
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I'm a Vettel fan, but his long stint on the softs was very impressive. Button only got into the lead due to a botched pitstop at rbr. He was fast because he was on the faster tires.

What else do you want me to say?

Enigma
I could be wrong but didn't the British fans vote Alonso the driver of the day at the last race or maybe it was the one before that?
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Well, I've now explained why I don't think he was the driver of the day.

DwightSchrute12
Hamilton's interview already up on youtube for those who didn't see it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD8T8_JR4Mw
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Interesting watch. I see an apology coming.

Dravonic
Ridiculous. Just ridiculous. He is still trying to convince people he's not at fault. Can't freaking believe it.
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He's an idiot.
 
It worries me that Hamilton is fastly becoming a typical UK 'Celebrity' and not being much of a sportsman.

It may well be to do with the fact that his F1 career has been all set for him. Button on the other hand is a great ambassador and very humbling, probably due to the tough years he endured with great proffesionalism at BAR/Honda.
 
designate-19L
Don't be so naive.
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You really should follow your own advice. Hamilton has reached a turning point. He either backs off or becomes an official jackass. You really have to be naive not to understand this. The time to be understanding and shrug off his snide comments as temper is long gone. Hell, many people already officially put him in the jackass bin and I can't blame them.
 
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designate-19L
Don't be so naive.
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I've studied Spanish language and culture, I know that political correctness has not permeated their culture as much as it has here. But to judge a nation as racist is not valid on the actions of a few, or else you could judge the UK on the actions of the BNP's past actions.

Naive I most certainly am not.
 
F1 fan
You can never know that. He was doing a good job up until the red flag.
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It was looking increasingly like the Chinese GP.



F1 fan
He sounded serious. Have you seen the interview? He's being idiotic.
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He chuckled, wasn't being serious.



F1 fan
I'm a Vettel fan, but his long stint on the softs was very impressive. Button only got into the lead due to a botched pitstop at rbr. He was fast because he was on the faster tires.
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I was impressed with that aswell, but as every lap progressed Fernando had more digs.

I am a McLaren fan so you might think I'm blindly sticking up for Lewis, but I think he is a great driver with a baby's attitude and why you are hyping over a joke is unbelievable. Yet nobody mentioned when he call other drivers "Ridiculously stupid".
 
designate-19L
The guy's a human being - let him be. It's sorry state of affairs when even such high-profile sportsmen can't speak their minds in an interview without having to fear consequences from the powers that be.

It's an even sorrier state of affairs when people have it in for somebody because to the colour of their skin. Thank God the FIA is French and not Spanish. Mind you, morally speaking, the FIA aren't much better than FIFA...

If I were him, in protest, I would conduct all interviews by simply reading pre-prepared lines from a sheet on paper on a clipboard, with boring, predictable and emotionally ambiguous answers.
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My problem isn't so much with him whining about Stewards decisions not going in his favour or that he a generally terrible weekend.
My problem is with his attitude that "its their stupid fricking driving". Sorry Lewis, but you were at the least...the very "freaking" least 50% to blame for those incidents if not entirely to blame.

The black comments and all the rest just make it media iced cake, if I was McLaren, the FIA, the stewards, Maldanado, Massa....I wouldn't be too happy with Lewis right now.

Drivers are entitled to vent their frustration and its always nice to see/hear a driver make it clear in public. But just like Rubens Barrichello, with Lewis its always the wrong time, wrong place, wrong words, wrong attitude. Someone seriously needs to slap him silly as the repeated steward meetings have clearly not taught him anything.

Other than that, great race, one of the best at Monaco and an amazing fight between Vettel, Button and Alonso, fantastic to watch. Great drives from Kobayashi, Sutil, Maldanado, Barrichello and even in some ways Schumacher.
Its nice to see Vettel not winning through absolute dominance but having to fight tooth and nail for his victories, he whole heartedly deserved this win once again (not that winning by a huge margin isn't deserving, its just nice to see someone actually have to fight for it).
 
I'm not hating Vettel, if he could hang on the entire race with those tyres, he would have done an amazing job, but I wouldn't see that happening.
 
UK-Gamer
It was looking increasingly like the Chinese GP.
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How? Alonso barely got a look in.

UK-Gamer
He chuckled, wasn't being serious.
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I think he was. He's trying to blame everyone else for his problems, he's behaving like a total jackass, then he plays the race card. He's shown very poor character this weekend.

UK-Gamer
I was impressed with that aswell, but as every lap progressed Fernando had more digs.

I am a McLaren fan so you might think I'm blindly sticking up for Lewis, but I ]think he is a great driver with a baby's attitude and why you are hyping over a joke is unbelievable. Yet nobody mentioned when he call other drivers "Ridiculously stupid"
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Because he is a role model for young kids. Particularly, young black kids. He has been incredibly immature and is setting a bad example. It's going to make black kids think it's okay to talk like that.

As for him calling other drivers "ridiculously stupid", I've said this before, he seems to think that this is "the Lewis Hamilton show" and not formula one. His ego has outgrown him. He's ridiculous, and despite being very talented and (mostly) exciting, I wouldn't be sad to see the back of him in F1.

Ardius
My problem isn't so much with him whining about Stewards decisions not going in his favour or that he a generally terrible weekend.
My problem is with his attitude that "its their stupid fricking driving". Sorry Lewis, but you were at the least...the very "freaking" least 50% to blame for those incidents if not entirely to blame.

The black comments and all the rest just make it media iced cake, if I was McLaren, the FIA, the stewards, Maldanado, Massa....I wouldn't be too happy with Lewis right now.

Drivers are entitled to vent their frustration and its always nice to see/hear a driver make it clear in public. But just like Rubens Barrichello, with Lewis its always the wrong time, wrong place, wrong words, wrong attitude. Someone seriously needs to slap him silly as the repeated steward meetings have clearly not taught him anything.

Other than that, great race, one of the best at Monaco and an amazing fight between Vettel, Button and Alonso, fantastic to watch. Great drives from Kobayashi, Sutil, Maldanado, Barrichello and even in some ways Schumacher.
Its nice to see Vettel not winning through absolute dominance but having to fight tooth and nail for his victories, he whole heartedly deserved this win once again (not that winning by a huge margin isn't deserving, its just nice to see someone actually have to fight for it).
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Well said.

Rossticles
The Vettel haters are out in force.
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They have much less ammunition now. 👍. Hamilton was a disgrace today.
 
I have a feeling if everyone's favorite driver was in Vettel's position, on track and the same tire wear, at the red flag they would want a rule allowing tires to be changed as well.

Hamilton's loyal aren't complaining about his rear wing being repaired. He could have gotten black flagged for racing with it damaged, albeit for only one lap.
 
poolhaas
I'm not hating Vettel, if he could hang on the entire race with those tyres, he would have done an amazing job, but I wouldn't see that happening.
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I agree... we'd seen Alonso's front tyres losing grip horrendously in the last few corners before the SC, I believe Vettel would have been in that position too. Button had fresher tyres to take advantage.

That leads me to think that without the SC the race could have belonged to any of the three of them - and that's why the way the race ended was so unfortunate.
 
It was remarkable how much grip Vettel had in the last corner, always pulling away from Alonso, DRS didn't have any effect here.
 
Rossticles
The Vettel haters are out in force.

I have a feeling if everyone's favorite driver was in Vettel's position, on track and the same tire wear, at the red flag they would want a rule allowing tires to be changed as well.
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Not hating Vettel at all. And I'm against changing tires no matter who is at the first place. Wouldn't make any sense to make a rule to give any particular racer an advantage. Which is exactly why I'm against this rule in the first place, it gives a free pit stop to everyone, and as this race just showed, that doesn't mean its fair.
 
Rossticles
The Vettel haters are out in force.
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I'm not sure who this remark was directed at, but it's pretty unfair in any case. I think that most people here didn't like the tire change business because it wrecked what might have been a nail-biting race to the finish, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with hating Vettel or any other driver.
 
F1 fan
I think he was. He's trying to blame everyone else for his problems, he's behaving like a total jackass, then he plays the race card. He's shown very poor character this weekend.
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I can't believe you're suggesting someone who referenced Ali G was being serious. Take a reality check there. Ali G. Serious. C'mon :rolleyes:

Because he is a role model for young kids. Particularly, young black kids. He has been incredibly immature and is setting a bad example.
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Young black kids can't be comfortable in the fact they are black and make a joke? Do you consider The Offpsring's "Pretty Fly" a negative impact on young white kids?
As for him calling other drivers "ridiculously stupid", I've said this before, he seems to think that this is "the Lewis Hamilton show" and not formula one His ego has outgrown him. He's ridiculous, and despite being very talented and (mostly) exciting, I wouldn't be sad to see the back of him in F1.
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Criticising the other drivers was way, way out of line by him. And that I concur. But you wouldn't miss the driver that made the most effort to overtake at Monaco. Wait, is that Kobayashi in your 'tar? Oh, it is...
 
F1 fan
How? Alonso barely got a look in.
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He did once or twice, but Hamilton only needed 1 chance to get Vettel in China.


F1 fan
I think he was. He's trying to blame everyone else for his problems, he's behaving like a total jackass, then he plays the race card. He's shown very poor character this weekend.
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It seems we'll never agree on this one lol.
He was trying to blame everyone for his poor weekend, but in the end, I think McLaren (and himself) were to blame. Their decisions cost them dearly.

F1 fan
Because he is a role model for young kids. Particularly, young black kids. He has been incredibly immature and is setting a bad example. It's going to make black kids think it's okay to talk like that.
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People look too much into this role model thing, a good parent should be able to distinguish their children from right and wrong. Hamilton needs a kick up where it hurts though.
 
The red flag helped Vettel the most as Alonzo without the tire change may have had a shot; Hamilton was as noted, at least 50% responsible; his qualifying did not help (Button managed 2nd) his race; Hamilton's whining was over the top; Webber clawed 4th on the last lap 👍

Awesome race 👍

Monreal's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve next; should be awesome too 👍
 
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