2012/2013 Premier League Season + FA & League Cup chat

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A good afternoons football. Loads of goals, loads of talking points, good stuff!
 
Liquid
This. Don't go looking for fouls if you're already in the book.

The yellow card is a deterrent, not a signal of encouragement. Torres made too much out of minimal contact. However Chelsea have every right to fee aggrieved about United's offside winner.

A thrilling encounter.
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Lets see whats said on Match Of The Day as I disagree with this. Even in commentary after watching in slow motion they said there was contact and that the decision was a poor one.

Edit: Things being said about Torres diving in here and nothing said about Valencia diving to try and get Mikel sent off
 
dhandeh
That's what happens when you turn your back on the ball. It comes off your arse.
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Hey don't knock it, Dirk Kuyt has made a living out of it.
 
dhandeh
A good afternoons football. Loads of goals, loads of talking points, good stuff!
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It was always going to be a good days football!..with those two matches on, how could it not be!
 
Liquid
Hey don't knock it, Dirk Kuyt has made a living out of it.
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A goal is a goal... it matters not if it comes off your arse or off your Kuyt.
 
As a Chelsea supporter. I'm not going to give the usual "Sir Alex paying refs." I think the ref was pretty justified with his 2 red cards. Ivanovic took one for Chelsea as that would have probably ended in a goal. And Torres definitely got tagged but fell to try and draw a card. He already had a yellow though and definitely had that coming. As for some other calls... I think they probably went United's way for sure. Chicarito was off side I thought. But, I guess that the refs thought otherwise, or I have bad eyes or something.

The game itself was a great game. I was really looking forward to the end until the two send offs. I think that Chelsea showed how good they are when they got that equalizer. Can't complain with the way Chelsea played really. I think neither team really deserved to win and it was unfortunate what happened throughout the game to cause 3 points to go to United. Oh well, move onto the next week. I think Chelsea should have a higher Morale after this match than before. They should be pleased with how they played against a side that is probably better.

As for the other team I support. Although a lucky late goal from Cisse. It as nice to see Newcastle get a victory. Been a couple of weeks.
 
No, your eyes were right. It was offside.

That's the one decision the officials definitely got wrong. Chelsea did surprisingly well with 9 men, and were unlucky not to draw.
 
A great days football..15 goals in 4 games!!:eek::drool:

Have a good night people! :)
 
The fact that my team was denied a 94th minute winner by an offside when he was more than a yard onside is something that annoyed me a lot. To then watch Chelsea-United and see not only a forward get a 2nd yellow for being tackled but then to see United clinch the game with a goal 1 yard OFFside is something else. The official's decision making in this league is more than inept. Interesting to note that it was Clatternburg's first time reffing a United game since they lost 1-6 to City last year. He seemed keen to get back in SAF's good books. Am I implying that ref's consciously try to avoid SAF's wrath and buckle under pressure and in turn make decisions that benefit United? You bet I am. Come at me.
 
Liquid
This. Don't go looking for fouls if you're already in the book.

The yellow card is a deterrent, not a signal of encouragement. Torres made too much out of minimal contact. However Chelsea have every right to fee aggrieved about United's offside winner.

A thrilling encounter.
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Torres got contact on the shin. That's a foul, because the United player didn't get to the ball. End of story there. If he hits the floor, it doesn't overrule the committed foul and make Torres all of a sudden deserving of a card for diving. It was a terrible call.
 
Oversimulating a genuine foul can cloud the referee's judgement. It's entirely possible that this was the case in the referee's mind. In which case, a yellow card is justified. If Torres is already on a yellow, then tough titties. I refer you back to my post, which quoted TM; be more careful if you're already in the book.
 
Why would a player on a yellow dive? He'd have to be a complete idiot, which Torres is not.
 
In the current climate, someone was going to be made an example of. Whether that is right or wrong and whether the decision was the correct one, it was always going to happen this weekend. Torres's shinpad must be made of tissue paper though.
 
I agree there was contact, but when it looks like there was no contact, and the player reacts as if he was shot then what is the ref going to think?

Also Alex, I'm from Norhamptonshire too. Hey GTPlanet, add a letter to the location, Northamptonshire doesn't fit. :lol:
 
Not going to start a conspiracy case here but United have been getting alot of calls in big games yet again.Pray Howard Webb won't ref United -Arsenal :eek:

Other than that RVP has been immense ,Great to see PHW saying he was sold for footballing reasons :indiff: ,us to put up with gervinho is simply a sad sad sight.
 
Peter.
Torres got contact on the shin. That's a foul, because the United player didn't get to the ball. End of story there. If he hits the floor, it doesn't overrule the committed foul and make Torres all of a sudden deserving of a card for diving. It was a terrible call.
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Which is why Torres is left foot gives way like he's been hit between the eyes?

It was a dive, he was in no way forced to the floor. You can argue it was a foul, yes, because contact was made that occurred previous to the dive but that contact wasn't responsible for the way he went down.
 
Considering Torres' previous offense, he was lucky to be on the pitch at all, so the 2nd yellow card was pretty justified, especially with how easily he went down to what was very minimal contact. Right or wrong, lessons need to be learnt from this diving plague.
 
Chelsea lodge a formal complaint against Mr. M Clattenburg, not for his MOTM performance deputising for Mr. H Webb, but for foul and racial language. The player involved in the allegation is John Obi Mikel.
 
Liquid
Chelsea lodge a formal complaint against Mr. M Clattenburg, not for his MOTM performance deputising for Mr. H Webb, but for foul and racial language. The player involved in the allegation is John Obi Mikel.
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Well, that is rather interesting. This ref just keeps getting worse and worse.

No offsides and using racial language. Isn't he a dandy guy.
 
Suarez' celebration after the opening goal in the Merseyside Derby was hilarious. The disallowed winner was an atrocious decision. I get Steve Macmanaman as a television analyst for Premier League matches here every week. He is excellent...

Fantastic first half today, pretty good second half as well. Should have been three points. Sorry Blue half!
 
Liquid
Chelsea lodge a formal complaint against Mr. M Clattenburg, not for his MOTM performance deputising for Mr. H Webb, but for foul and racial language. The player involved in the allegation is John Obi Mikel.
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Wow, I hope he didn't and its just Chelsea trying to hide the result. It's a sad day when the officials are being racist.
 
Liquid
Chelsea lodge a formal complaint against Mr. M Clattenburg, not for his MOTM performance deputising for Mr. H Webb, but for foul and racial language. The player involved in the allegation is John Obi Mikel.
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Kamuifanboy
Well, that is rather interesting. This ref just keeps getting worse and worse.

No offsides and using racial language. Isn't he a dandy guy.
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Thing is, from what I understand, there isn't any facts to back up what was being said.

It seems to be a player saying that the ref used language like that, but whether the player and Chelsea are trying to muddy the water remains to be seen.

There isn't any facts to read up on it, just a case of: "Oh, he said that! I heard him!" after he got booked. Also, on the news it shows the clip of the player asking the ref questions about why he was being booked in a relatively firm manner. I don't get why players have to constantly argue and harrass the refs for all decisions.

Once its made, get on with it.
 
If Clattenburg did use racial language towards Mikel It's easy to find out. Unless I'm mistaken every ref wears a Mic throughout the match. The viewers can't hear it like in rugby but I think people behind the scenes have the live feed.
So it should be solved fairly quickly.

As for the match, well I think Clattenburg has now signed a 2 year contract with Man U!
Offside goals allowed to stand, red cards that shouldn't have been. Yellow cards that should have been red (Torres' first offense, the boot to the chest) allegations of racial abuse. Absolutely atrocious.

For the record I think both Young and Torres should have got yellow cards for simulation. Yes there was contact in both but enough to go down like you've been hit by a freight train? I think not. Both Young and Torres showing what's wrong with football :grumpy:
 
m8h3r
Wow, I hope he didn't and its just Chelsea trying to hide the result. It's a sad day when the officials are being racist.
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It's a sadder day if it turns out Chelsea are making such strong allegation and they turn out to be unfounded.

It's episodes like this that further dampen my interest in the EPL, which pains me to say as a 25 year long Arsenal supporter. Too many spoiled yobs, too much diving, too much diva drama.

Anyway, back to these allegations. If they are true, Clattenberg is done in the game, surely. And if he is innocent, Chelsea deserve a monster fine and more for bringing the game into disrepute.
 
I'm with Mike here. Every year my interest and excitement in the Premiership wanes. I still like Fulham and United to do well, but the dynamics of the football on offer is changing for the worse. Diving, injury simulation, costs and so on.

I fully empathise with referees. They have a bloody hard job to do, but I find it quite annoying how they are seemingly immune from doing wrong. The campaign to respect officials is a noble one, but referees should be held to account, should they have poor games. Or at the very least, be subject to post-match interviews as frequently as the managers and players are.

Edit: Re: Clattenburg; While the referees, linesmen and fourth officials do wear microphones and earpieces to hear what each other is saying, they are not recorded.

Also, the tone of the BBC article has now been changed to 'inappropriate language' with 'racial language' a part of the allegation, as opposed to racial language being the only allegation.

And the reason that steward was injured was because the Chelsea fans were throwing stuff at Javier Hernandez while he celebrated his winner. Some of the stuff must have hit him.
 
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Liquid
The campaign to respect officials is a noble one, but referees should be held to account, should they have poor games. Or at the very least, be subject to post-match interviews as frequently as the managers and players are.
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One one hand I agree with you; refs should be graded and stood down if they have made a clanger. But say a ref has a shocker and gets stood down for 2 games. His next game happens to involve a United or a City; you just know the managers are going to heap pressure on and the players are going to heap pressure on on the field, and so invites more clangers as refs try too hard.

On the other hand, I think its all being blown out of proportion (not the racial bit, but bad calls). In games like Aussie Rules and Rugby, if you get in the face of a ref, you get penalised. Now the concept doesn't translate in football (penalising a player) as the only option is to dish cards. I am more in favour of refs doing just that though; give lip, get carded. If a ref makes a clangers, guess what, its human error. Cricket has it, baseball has it, every sport reffed by humans has it, so clubs should just deal with it.
 
Players are booked for dissent and/or foul & abusive language. It's the fact that players do get so arsey about refereeing decisions when, as you say, refs are only human, that annoys me. Sure, when I play football I get annoyed when a decision doesn't go my way, but you keep your head down and get on with it. He's the one in charge and you have to accept his judgement.

I've always thought that the sin bin would be a good idea for football. Any lip, 10 minutes off the pitch.
 
Yes, a Sin Bin rule would actually make the game a lot more respectful toward refs and the like as for some reason, yellows and reds are not enough of a deterrent.

It should be a powerful punishment, but it isn't at all, from the actions of the players, the club and the supporters.
 
ExigeEvan
Which is why Torres is left foot gives way like he's been hit between the eyes?

It was a dive, he was in no way forced to the floor. You can argue it was a foul, yes, because contact was made that occurred previous to the dive but that contact wasn't responsible for the way he went down.
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Summed up perfectly.

Also, Suarez got karma'd there, should have seen red.
 
I don't want to derail too much, but if the EPL finds racist remarks by players such an issue than why don't they just do a monetary penalty system for each time they get caught saying it and have it increase each time?

Losing money is something most athletes don't like from their gameday pay.
 
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