2012 European Grand Prix

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peter_vod69
Maldonado was off the track (all four wheels on the wrong side of the line), and drove back on in an attempt to occupy the same spot (at the same time) as Hamilton's McLaren. The only possible reasons for this are either

A: Steering Failure
B: Hysterical Blindness
C: Maldonado being an impetuous, ham-fisted fool.
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Pastor Maldonado
: "He tried to put me off of the track and he didn't give me any room. I jumped over the kerb and couldn't avoid the accident. I don't know why he was driving like that. He tried a very aggressive movement on me."
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This coming from a guy who closed the door on Kimi at turn 2 in the first 10 seconds of the race?
 
peter_vod69
Maldonado was off the track (all four wheels on the wrong side of the line), and drove back on in an attempt to occupy the same spot (at the same time) as Hamilton's McLaren. The only possible reasons for this are either

A: Steering Failure
B: Hysterical Blindness
C: Maldonado being an impetuous, ham-fisted fool.
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C is the nearest answer.
But Hamilton at least can give a room and Maldonado should use the run-off area.
Racing incident in this case imo.
 
Shaggy Alonso
That's all well and good, but you have to factor in who you're racing against - we know Maldonado is a maniac, which is precisely why Hamilton shouldn't have taken any risks with him.
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So you're saying a driver must yield a position to an overly aggressive driver (like Maldonado) purely for the fact that he is an overly aggressive driver? Wow.


And thanks for that quote Mike ^. More excuses from Maldonado. How can he even say that? :lol:!
 
peter_vod69
Maldonado was off the track (all four wheels on the wrong side of the line), and drove back on in an attempt to occupy the same spot (at the same time) as Hamilton's McLaren. The only possible reasons for this are either

A: Steering Failure
B: Hysterical Blindness
C: Maldonado being an impetuous, ham-fisted fool.
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All of the above.
 
peter_vod69
What kind of racing driver _LETS_ someone through? Maldonado behaved like a moron. Any F1 driver with an ounce of cool and common sense would've realised he had ample opportunity to pass the man in front, especially given the difference in performance between the two at that moment. And then to drive back onto the road to shove Hamilton into the wall? He deserves to be Disqualified, at least.
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I don't think so, the only moron is Hamilton not realizing he has no chance to keep Maldonado behind. Maldonado is an agressive driver, we all know that, if you are 4 seconds slower just let him pass without any other unecessary risk. 4th place is better than nothing.

Anyway the Redbull is coming back super fast.
 
Mike Rotch
This coming from a guy who closed the door on Kimi at turn 2 in the first 10 seconds of the race?
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Maldonado comes from a country, and belongs to the respective establishment that believes that lying convincingly can work and fool everyone.
 
peter_vod69
Maldonado was off the track (all four wheels on the wrong side of the line), and drove back on in an attempt to occupy the same spot (at the same time) as Hamilton's McLaren. The only possible reasons for this are either

A: Steering Failure
B: Hysterical Blindness
C: Maldonado being an impetuous, ham-fisted fool.
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He was only off-track because Hamilton pushed him off deliberately when they were side by side. If I recall correctly, pushing other drivers off the track is against the rules too.

Also, when the floor of the car is one the kerb the steering doesn't work as the tyres have bounced into the air.
 
I don't care what anyone says, Hamilton had the inside line and every right to his racing line. Maldonado tried to go around the outside, got pushed off because he didn't have the line, and despite the fact he was off the track he just plowed straight into the side of Hamilton.

No one who is unbiast can say that was not Maldonado's fault. Maldonado was off the 🤬 track and I have no idea why he was trying to take the turn when Hamilton was already on the next apex and Maldonado was up his inside!!! Absolute idiot!
 
Aderrrm
So you're saying a driver must yield a position to an overly aggressive driver (like Maldonado) purely for the fact that he is an overly aggressive driver? Wow.
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No, but nice strawman.

What I said was that if it's futile defending a position, then give a known dangerous driver a wide berth.
 
ZEROX
C is the nearest answer.
But Hamilton at least can give a room and Maldonado should use the run-off area.
Racing incident in this case imo.
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Didn't matter how much room Hamilton would have given, Maldonado was going to t-bone Lewis the way he went on track
 
Seismica
He was only off-track because Hamilton pushed him off deliberately when they were side by side. If I recall correctly, pushing other drivers off the track is against the rules too.
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Wrong. Hamilton had the racing line, which he was entitled to hang on to, stuffed tyres or no.
 
HKS racer
I don't think so, the only moron is Hamilton not realizing he has no chance to keep Maldonado behind. Maldonado is an agressive driver, we all know that, if you are 4 seconds slower just let him pass without any other unecessary risk. 4th place is better than nothing.
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4 seconds? Maldonado was 4 seconds behind Raikonnen with 7 laps to go. Hamilton had given him enough room before the apex (1 car width), he then took the corner as usual and the position that Maldonado was in at that point meant that he either had slow down and cut in (like erm, nearly every driver had done in this race when a similar move was taken) or continue 4 wheels off track and punt Hamilton. :rolleyes:
 
Let me just say that Grosjean managed to overtake in that same spot and all was well. The only difference here is that an unpredictable driver took part in a very delicate sitaution.
 
peter_vod69
Wrong. Hamilton had the racing line, which he was entitled to hang on to, stuffed tyres or no.
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True, but why prolong the inevitable? Maldonado was going to get past, and Lewis was very aggressive with him. It was Maldonado's fault, but perhaps it might teach Lewis about choosing your battles carefully.
 
Seismica
He was only off-track because Hamilton pushed him off deliberately when they were side by side. If I recall correctly, pushing other drivers off the track is against the rules too.
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There was nothing stopping him, feeding back in, behind Lewis, and taking him at the next opportunity. I would say it is 70/30 Ginsters fault.
 
Aderrrm
So you're saying a driver must yield a position to an overly aggressive driver (like Maldonado) purely for the fact that he is an overly aggressive driver? Wow.
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No the reason is only one, take points for the Championship. If you have tyres issue don't risk to be kicked off the track by people like Maldando.

It's not hard to understand.
 
F1 fan
True, but why prolong the inevitable? Maldonado was going to get past, and Lewis was very aggressive with him. It was Maldonado's fault, but perhaps it might teach Lewis about choosing your battles carefully.
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Nothing is inevitable in motor racing. For all Lewis knew, Maldon'tseemtobabletoovertakecleanlydo might've binned it (into a regular barrier, not a silver and red mobile one) at the next corner.
 
Shaggy Alonso
No, but nice strawman.

What I said was that if it's futile defending a position, then give a known dangerous driver a wide berth.
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Although it may have been slightly desperate defending from Lewis, it wasn't aggressive or illegal at all. If Maldonado cut in behind Lewis rather than carrying on off track and hitting Lewis on the side, he would have lost a bit of ground to Lewis over the next few corners and wouldn't have been able to launch another attack until the following lap, especially since Maldonado only had 1 little bar of KERS left. In that respect, Lewis would have only had to defend for another lap.
 
F1 fan
True, but why prolong the inevitable? Maldonado was going to get past, and Lewis was very aggressive with him. It was Maldonado's fault, but perhaps it might teach Lewis about choosing your battles carefully.
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If Hamilton managed to prolong it, he most likely would have finished on the podium as there was not long left and would not have been inevitable. Hamilton had pace, he was pulling away from Räikkönen then locked his brakes in the last corner and then made a mistake which compounded his problems further with Maldonado catching up.
 
Best Valencia GP I've seen. Supreme stuff from Alonso.

Pastor is either a terrible judge or gets quickly frustrated and uses his car to make a point. I think he already should be given a wide berth by Hamilton as I feel Pastor has got a screw loose and Hamilton is dicing with death trying to race him.

Missed opportunity for Lewis as without that dodgy pitstop he wouldv'e landed 1st after Vettel and Grosean dropped out. Hamilton used more tyre life to recover from 6th and ultimately faded with two laps. Maybe Alonso would've got him near the end but sure was a solid second place if not for the bad pit stop.
 
I'm not exactly a fan, but have to say Alonso's performance was world class, from 11th to 1st on a track that isn't exactly famed for it's overtaking prowess definitely asserts his authority as one of the best drivers in F1 atm.

With regards to the Hamilton incident, yes he was defending quite hard, but there are 2 laps left, if he believes he has the ability to defend fairly and hold his position (which he did), then he has every right to even if his tires were shot. At the end of the day, the difference in points between 3rd and 4th could be what settles the WDC (Hamilton probably knows this more than most when he won the WDC), but it seems he's lost out completely here because Maldonado was equally desperate to gain that position. Yes, maybe you can criticise Hamilton for not giving too much room, but Maldonado was driving incredibly aggressively all race and the fact that he came back on track without braking or changing his direction to accustom the fact that Hamilton says it all to me.
Simply, Hamilton drove fairly, Maldonado did not.
 
Aderrrm
Although it may have been slightly desperate defending from Lewis, it wasn't aggressive or illegal at all. If Maldonado cut in behind Lewis rather than carrying on off track and hitting Lewis on the side, he would have lost a bit of ground to Lewis and wouldn't have been able to launch another attack until the following lap, especially since Maldonado only had 1 little bar of KERS left. In that respect, Lewis would have only have to defend for another lap.
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I've already covered all these points, and I agree the incident is Maldonado's fault, but that's a given when it comes to that particular idiot.

However, if you think Hamilton could have hung on for another lap then you live in Narnia.
 
ZEROX
That because he may thought Hamilton might leave room which is not.
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Hamilton would have had to slow down to a stop and let Maldonado through to avoid the way Maldonado went on to track.

Shaggy Alonso
I've already covered all these points, and I agree the incident is Maldonado's fault, but that's a given when it comes to that particular idiot.

However, if you think Hamilton could have hung on for another lap then you live in Narnia.
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Maldonado would have been out the DRS zone, Hamilton would have regained composure, I would have been surprised if Hamilton never held on.
 

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