2012 Formula One Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

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Peter.
Didn't that also help give Vettel a chance at getting Button, which he took?
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Indeed it did, but you had already pointed out that Vettel had had some luck with the safety car. I was pointing out the fact that Alonso also benefitted from said safety car, which seems to have gone unnoticed.

niky
Grosjean, Webber and Hamilton.
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Well, starting with Hamilton, I don't think Vettel would have gotten anywhere near him had he not broke down. Nor did I necessarily want him to. At this stage in the championship, it's between Fernando and Vettel. Hamilton can win the next two for all I care.

Webber was a whole different person today. I do believe that Webber would have been a genuine obstacle as he has stated in the press that he isn't going to help Vettel. Fortunately for Vettel, Webber was in self distruct mode and made a mess of Felipe's race, his own and also had a go at ruining Maldonado's race. Not a good performance from him.

Grosjean isn't really a concern because Sebastian was already ahead of him by the time the Webber/Grosjean/Perez incident happened.
 
Shinshiki
I'm happy to see Kimi win. I really have to give a hand to the people at Lotus. They've improved quickly since returning.
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Returning? It's the Team formerly known as Renault, Benneton and Toleman rebranded.
 
Famine
He drove into Bruno Senna and damaged his front wing. He drove into a trackside sign while behind a safety car and wrecked his front wing - blaming Daniel Ricciardo for it. In his frustration he overtook Romain Grosjean by driving completely off the inside of the track - and had to give the place back.

He made a really very good pass on Jenson Button three laps from the end (though Button kept him at bay for 6 laps before that) but it was far from "excellent" - or even "good" - driving to that point. He acquired his position through the actions of others - Hamilton's mechanical failure and the Perez/Di Resta/Grosjean/Webber incident bringing out the safety car just after he'd pitted from the wrong call on his tyres. Let's face it, the Toro Rossos wouldn't hold him up (either time) and Webber was told not to and then brought into the pits so he wouldn't.


Everyone needs luck - nothing wrong with inheriting places through luck - but luckiness doesn't equal goodness. He did well to get where he was, but it wasn't an excellent drive and it wasn't his best. It was his luckiest.
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F1 fan
Indeed it did, but you had already pointed out that Vettel had had some luck with the safety car. I was pointing out the fact that Alonso also benefitted from said safety car, which seems to have gone unnoticed.
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In the end, the safety car helped Seb gain a fair few positions, whereas it didn't help Alo to get one. Sure, he got close to Kimi but by 5 seconds or 0.8 of a second, 2nd position is 2nd. So it really didn't benefit Alonso as much as you claim.
 
UK-Gamer
In the end, the safety car helped Seb gain a fair few positions, whereas it didn't help Alo to get one. Sure, he got close to Kimi but by 5 seconds or 0.8 of a second, 2nd position is 2nd. So it really didn't benefit Alonso as much as you claim.
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Sebastian exited the pits in fourth place, then the incident happened bringing out the safety car. It enabled Vettel to get close enough to Button to pass. I didn't deny that. It also enabled Alonso to get close enough to Kimi to have a chance of winning. The safety car wiped out a seven second lead. While Alonso wasn't able to capitalize on it, the above is all factually correct.

It helped Sebastian gain one position, which he still had to work for afterwards. That's not "a fair few positions".
 
I have to say, you get that impression that Alonso and Hamilton would be doing a hell of a lot better at Red Bull.

And Alonso lost his lead over Button and Vettel in the safety car, just sayin'
 
wajdi1977
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Do you class:

Driving into Bruno Senna
Driving into a polystyrene marker behind the safety car and blaming the other driver (Daniel Ricciardo)
Overtaking Romain Grosjean entirely off the circuit

As "excellent driving"? Do you class it as "good driving"? I don't, that's why I cited these events, which occurred before Vettel made the good overtake (you know, the one I gave him credit for) on Button, as examples as not excellent or good driving to the point of that overtake.


Do you, in fact, have any response to this information at all, or do you just want to post one liners, emoticons and call people names? You are welcome, at any time, to discuss the points like an adult.
 
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Famine
He drove into Bruno Senna and damaged his front wing. He drove into a trackside sign while behind a safety car and wrecked his front wing - blaming Daniel Ricciardo for it. In his frustration he overtook Romain Grosjean by driving completely off the inside of the track - and had to give the place back.

He made a really very good pass on Jenson Button three laps from the end (though Button kept him at bay for 6 laps before that) but it was far from "excellent" - or even "good" - driving to that point. He acquired his position through the actions of others - Hamilton's mechanical failure and the Perez/Di Resta/Grosjean/Webber incident bringing out the safety car just after he'd pitted from the wrong call on his tyres. Let's face it, the Toro Rossos wouldn't hold him up (either time) and Webber was told not to and then brought into the pits so he wouldn't.


Everyone needs luck - nothing wrong with inheriting places through luck - but luckiness doesn't equal goodness. He did well to get where he was, but it wasn't an excellent drive and it wasn't his best. It was his luckiest.
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wajdi1977
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F1 fan
Sebastian exited the pits in fourth place, then the incident happened bringing out the safety car. It enabled Vettel to get close enough to Button to pass. I didn't deny that. It also enabled Alonso to get close enough to Kimi to have a chance of winning. The safety car wiped out a seven second lead. While Alonso wasn't able to capitalize on it, the above is all factually correct.

It helped Sebastian gain one position, which he still had to work for afterwards. That's not "a fair few positions".
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Don't discuss with Alonso fans,they will eat you alive:sly:
 
wajdi1977
:confused::rolleyes:
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Prove me wrong. So far you've responded to Famine's well thought-out post with a smily, and you've responded to my criticism with two smilies. You've so far neither managed to rebuff Famine, nor deny my own criticism.

Odd how you blame it on "Alonso fans" too. Few of us have even mentioned Alonso. I'm not really a fan of him myself.
 
F1 fan
It helped Sebastian gain one position, which he still had to work for afterwards. That's not "a fair few positions".
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Actually, you are right. But you have to admit Seb's luck. The only reason he could get past Jenson was because he was on fresh (used) options, and the Red Bull guys just pitted him to secure 4th and to avoid dropping back and that safety car just brought him to the leading group.

Fernando however was trying to pass on primes 3 laps older than Kimi's, if anything, Kimi should've been racing away.

BTW:Wajdi1977:- An Alonso fan, I am not, I am a McLaren/Lewis/Jenson (in that order) fan, however I admire Alonso's ability as a driver.
 
Being 24° in the grid and end 3° was a great driving by Vettel and when you said it "was good and even not good" you simply didn't give him a credit!
Sorry,English isn't my first language
 
It's becoming hard to watch Hamilton lead when you almost know the car/team will let him down. :ouch: Everything went perfect for Seb today even though he did his best to ruin it for himself. Glad to see Kimi finally win a race, he has been very fast and clean all season so he deserved to win.
 
wajdi1977
Being 24° in the grid and end 3° was a great driving by Vettel and when you said it "was good and even not good" you simply didn't give him a credit!
Sorry,English isn't my first language
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Famine
He drove into Bruno Senna and damaged his front wing. He drove into a trackside sign while behind a safety car and wrecked his front wing - blaming Daniel Ricciardo for it. In his frustration he overtook Romain Grosjean by driving completely off the inside of the track - and had to give the place back.

He made a really very good pass on Jenson Button three laps from the end (though Button kept him at bay for 6 laps before that) but it was far from "excellent" - or even "good" - driving to that point. He acquired his position through the actions of others - Hamilton's mechanical failure and the Perez/Di Resta/Grosjean/Webber incident bringing out the safety car just after he'd pitted from the wrong call on his tyres. Let's face it, the Toro Rossos wouldn't hold him up (either time) and Webber was told not to and then brought into the pits so he wouldn't.


Everyone needs luck - nothing wrong with inheriting places through luck - but luckiness doesn't equal goodness. He did well to get where he was, but it wasn't an excellent drive and it wasn't his best. It was his luckiest.
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I've responded at least three times with the same exact quote. Please read it.
 
wajdi1977
Being 24° in the grid and end 3° was a great driving by Vettel and when you said it "was good and even not good" you simply didn't give him a credit!
Sorry,English isn't my first language
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He DID give him credit, we've already acknowledged this. Read what he wrote. 💡
 
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Still credit for his overtaking move from the back of the grid and the race strategist from the pits. 👍
 
wajdi1977
Being 24° in the grid and end 3° was a great driving by Vettel and when you said it "was good and even not good" you simply didn't give him a credit!
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Now go read the whole post again, rather than putting size tags around a bit of it for no good reason.

Vettel drove into another car and damaged his front wing. He drove into trackside furniture, blaming another driver for it in a tantrum he had over the radio, and damaged his front wing more. He was so frustrated behind another driver that he left the track completely to overtake them, having to give the place back.

Do you deny these things occurred?

Do you think that they are "excellent" or "good" driving?


Later on, after these things, he drove well to get through the field. He did a good pass on Button. I said this in the original post too, giving him credit. But he drove like a penis first and had significant chunks of good fortune to get him into fourth.

Better still, without them he may well have won today.

wajdi1977
Sorry,English isn't my first language
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Then you should probably read more carefully and not wade into arguments for no reason and chuck insults around.
 
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A race at Abu Dhabi, a track which is so poo, I would never have thought that there would be such an exciting race there today. One of the better races this season. Action going on all throughout the race.

Edit: Oh, so now **** is also censored? Together with ****? Well, better edit my text to make it more family friendly.
 
"Button has fallen asleep and he made himself to overtake Vettel"
""Button s'è addormentato e s'è fatto sorpassare da Vettel"
Even Alonso engineer didn't give any credit to Vettel!
I'm sorry Famine I didn't understand well your post,I have a good English but some times I miss some thing!
 
fps_christian
A race at Abu Dhabi, a track which is so poo, I would never have thought that there would be such an exciting race there today. One of the better races this season. Action going on all throughout the race.
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Lets not forget, the race was made entertaining due to some unskillful driving from some of the best drivers in the world...
There obviously was great driving in there from Kimi, Alo, Seb, Jenson and others.
 
fps_christian
Edit: Oh, so now **** is also censored? Together with ****? Well, better edit my text to make it more family friendly.
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Several words are censored. It's an encouragement to avoid using them.

wajdi1977
"Button has fallen asleep and he made himself to overtake Vettel"
""Button s'è addormentato e s'è fatto sorpassare da Vettel"
Even Alonso engineer didn't give any credit to Vettel!
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Believe it or not, plenty of people who enjoy or partake in the sport are able to assess each driver on merit rather than blind fandom. Vettel was a large distance behind Button a lap before he passed him - it's not beyond reason that Button made a bit of a mistake which allowed Vettel to close up so quickly.
 
wajdi1977
"Button has fallen asleep and he made himself to overtake Vettel"
""Button s'è addormentato e s'è fatto sorpassare da Vettel"
Even Alonso engineer didn't give any credit to Vettel!
I'm sorry Famine I didn't understand well your post,I have a good English but some times I miss some thing!
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:mad:

That's it, I give up.
 

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