2014 Grand Prix de Monaco

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Im surprised Bianchi didn't get a penalty for barging into Kobayashi he basically pushed him out of the way at rascasse and after then Koby lost all his pace likely due to damage.
 
mustafur
Im surprised Bianchi didn't get a penalty for barging into Kobayashi he basically pushed him out of the way at rascasse and after then Koby lost all his pace likely due to damage.
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Was it Kobayashi who he bumped into no less than 3 times whilst "overtaking" him? Yeah, I was a bit surprised too. I'm happy for the team scoring those points but that's no way to get past someone.
 
mustafur
Im surprised Bianchi didn't get a penalty for barging into Kobayashi he basically pushed him out of the way at rascasse and after then Koby lost all his pace likely due to damage.
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It goes around, it comes around. Live by the sword, die by the sword. You reap what you sow. In other words; that overtake was what Kobayashi would probably think of as Legit.

He left the door way open on the entrance and was overtaken as several drivers were in that sport, this pass just ran quite a bit closer than others.

You either want wheel-to-wheel racing or you don't :)
 
Maldonado managed to avoid the gravel traps this weekend. Of course he didn't even make it to turn 1 but baby steps.
 
TenEightyOne
It goes around, it comes around. Live by the sword, die by the sword. You reap what you sow. In other words; that overtake was what Kobayashi would probably think of as Legit.

He left the door way open on the entrance and was overtaken as several drivers were in that sport, this pass just ran quite a bit closer than others.

You either want wheel-to-wheel racing or you don't :)
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He didn't leave Room bianchi made room for his car, I can't recall kobayashi doing that kind of move to anyone before, buemi at turkey in 2011 is the closest I can recall.
 
mustafur
He didn't leave Room bianchi made room for his car, I can't recall kobayashi doing that kind of move to anyone before, buemi at turkey in 2011 is the closest I can recall.
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I seem to remember plenty at Castrol during his Suzuka debut.

Bianchi had lost the corner and should have recognised it, he'd made his mistake on the way down the hill. Difficult there, but that's what happens at Monaco. It's a very very slow racetrack, it's just how it is.
 
TenEightyOne
I seem to remember plenty at Castrol during his Suzuka debut.

Bianchi had lost the corner and should have recognised it, he'd made his mistake on the way down the hill. Difficult there, but that's what happens at Monaco. It's a very very slow racetrack, it's just how it is.
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Watch it again, it wasn't him that touched anyone.

Infact it happened to him there as well: (skip to 1:48)
 
My "down the hill" statement was bogus, sorry about that.

Kobayashi puts his car in gaps that are closing too, as your video illustrates perfectly. It's his trademark banzai move, after all.

Just having another long look at the replay, I still don't see the problem. Monaco is a very very slow track in comparison to others, Kobayashi was caught napping, closed too late, some contact, where's the problem? He got Kobayashi'd :)
 
TenEightyOne
My "down the hill" statement was bogus, sorry about that.

Kobayashi puts his car in gaps that are closing too, as your video illustrates perfectly. It's his trademark banzai move, after all.

Just having another long look at the replay, I still don't see the problem. Monaco is a very very slow track in comparison to others, Kobayashi was caught napping, closed too late, some contact, where's the problem? He got Kobayashi'd :)
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Causing a collision. 3 times.
 
86Debris86
Causing a collision. 3 times.
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Yeah, but apart from the collisions, the danger and the over excited driving... where's the problem? :D Seriously; we're either going to grab our bulges and race at Monaco or we're not. It isn't impossible to overtake at Monaco, you generally just have to be mad.

I still might steal your avatar though... :)

EDIT: And I think I'm probably defending the indefensible, I wouldn't support this kind of driving anywhere other than in That Sunny Place for Shady People. I'ma get another beer and shut up :D
 
TenEightyOne
Yeah, but apart from the collisions, the danger and the over excited driving... where's the problem? :D Seriously; we're either going to grab our bulges and race at Monaco or we're not. It isn't impossible to overtake at Monaco, you generally just have to be mad.

I still might steal your avatar though... :)
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its possible to Overtake and be clean its even easier to shove someone aside to get a position.

More proof here that the stewards don't even look at the backmarkers.
 
mustafur
its possible to Overtake and be clean its even easier to shove someone aside to get a position.

More proof here that the stewards don't even look at the backmarkers.
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The stewards don't look at anything that isn't protested by a team or procedurally by Race Control. I haven't seen any indication that Caterham have filed such a complaint? It's not in today's stewards documents.

And, once again, this is Monaco. Car park speeds, it's not a "proper" racetrack. Monagasque racing is always something else, it's tough. That's one of the reasons that Monaco is so popular, the dynamics and style of racing there differ massively from any other circuit on the F1 calendar.
 
Roo
In other news, Maldonado is now last in the championship. Not just without-points last; actual behind-Chilton-and-both-Caterhams last. That's almost an achievement in itself.

Also, Ericsson's 11th puts him ahead of both Sauber drivers.
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Maldonado must be the new Andrea Moda
 
mustafur
(go to 29 seconds)

Bainchi definitely moved kobayashi aside to make that move.
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Technically, as Bianchi is already up to his sidepods before the apex, Kobayashi is required to give him one car's space. As Bianchi came up on him quickly, it's hard to enforce that rule, so neither driver was given anything for that.

Kamui was leaving the door open all race long. It's not surprising a lot of people were walking through it.
 
It wasn't a pretty move, but Kobayashi has passed plenty of drivers with his elbows out in the past without incurring the wrath of the stewards. I don't see why this should be any different. He didn't appear to suffer any damage, and as has been pointed out, he was leaving the door open all race long.

I suspect more of the "controversy" stems from the belief that if it weren't for the move, Kobayashi would have been the one to score points.
 
Speaking of Rasscasse overtakes what happened to whoever it was that seemingly overtook before the second safety car line? I don't recall seeing an outcome on that one.
 
Samus
Speaking of Rasscasse overtakes what happened to whoever it was that seemingly overtook before the second safety car line? I don't recall seeing an outcome on that one.
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What, Magnussen on Vergne?
He was told to give the spot back, and that was it
 
PsuPepperoni
Italian name vs. 'Straya pronunciation
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As an Australian and a fan of his, Ive always known (and other Aussie commentators) for him to be known as his proper pronunciation. This Ri-Kar-Do has come from Brundle. I remember one of the first races when Brundle first mentioned his name he said along the lines of 'Im sorry Australia I know this isnt how you properly say it but this is how he will be known now'.

CarBastard
I'm watching a re-run and I've got to say, hearing Hamilton's in-car radio:

His attitude is pathetic. He shouts this and that about psychological warfare, and Senna and Prost, and about him not needing the psychologist hired by the team, even if it wasn't hired for him...and then he complains non-stop to his team getting to the point of giving them orders!

Briattore is right. In psychological terms, Nico is bounds and miles ahead of Lewis.
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I agree! I get the feeling Hamilton is trying to appear to be a hero when in fact he is sounding like a whinger!! I am a fan of Hamilton but his attitude has been getting worse over the years and makes some really odd comments.

Same goes for Vettel, I dont get this whole blaming the team. There is nothing sinister in what the teams do yet the drivers feel the need to publicly air this. They need some common sense!
 
Barra333
Ricciardo has also made it known that he is not particularly bothered either way.
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I saw an interview where he said it was "Rick-ardo", so that's how I've always that of it. Ask why not "Rick-ee-yardo" he said he'd have got beaten up at school and laughed. I just tried to find it on YobTub, I'm sure it was from early in the STR days. EDIT: Not the interview I remember but that is how it's pronounced.

@Dunstone, when you say "publicly air" you forget that drivers have argued back and forth with teams for years but only recently are you hearing it an any detail. In fact, it's only recently that the FIA have even heard it in any detail.

It's a team sport, the drivers work day-in-day-out on the job of racing, team pressure is always high during a game and F1's no different.
 
TenEightyOne
I saw an interview where he said it was "Rick-ardo", so that's how I've always that of it. Ask why not "Rick-ee-yardo" he said he'd have got beaten up at school and laughed. I just tried to find it on YobTub, I'm sure it was from early in the STR days.
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Yeah, he obviously has the way he says it (Rick-ardo), but he doesn't get his pants in a twist if it is pronounced Rick-ee-ardo or Rich-ee-ardo (sorry if I butchered the Italian phonetics) either.
 
Yeah, in italian both the 'c' and the double 'cc' followed by an 'e' or 'i' are supposedly pronounced as a 'ch'. So italians say his name as 'Rich-yardo' . In contrast and because this sound doesn't apply when the 'cc" is followed by 'a', Patrese was 'Riccardo' and that would be written in English as 'Rick-ardo'

Languages are funny because Patrese's name 'Riccardo' is the equivalent to the English name 'Richard'.

Anyway, I suppose I'll dream of Monica Belucki while I smell the scent of a Nina Ricky perfume, feeling as heroic as Rudi Carackiola, as clever as Leonardo daVincky and as smartly dressed as Versacke, wearing a Gucky watch and a Dolcke & Gabanna hat. :dopey:



EDIT - Just to add to the funny stuff regarding the "ck" or "ch" pronouncation. In italian, if you want a 'c' or 'cc' to sound like 'ck', you will write ... "CH". So it is the total opposite of English.

Examples:

Michelle Alboreto (pronounced "Mickelle" as in English it would be written)

Giancarlo Fisichella (pronounced Fisickela)

Sorry for the OT everyone :)
 
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That's because the Italian language doesn't use the "k" sound, or letter(?). :p

So, now that the teams had their best chance of beating Mercedes, and came up way short... Is it safe to say that Mercedes has every race locked up at this point, barring any mechanical or coexisting issues for the drivers?
 

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