2015 NASCAR Thread - And then there was 1

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RedTailBoa
Tagliani isn't much of a racer. He couldn't cut in Indy cars so he goes to NASCAR, which is the lowest form of racing. Then proceeds to join the third tier truck series to attempt to scavenge a win.
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I agree. Although, I don't follow the Indy Car Series so I can't pass judgement of his racing abilities there. What annoys me about him is that he is just a road course ringer who expects to win whatever road course race someone puts him in a car for in NASCAR. Road course ringers are probably as annoying to me as how other's feel about Cup drivers in Xfinity races. Whenever I see Tagliani in a NASCAR race, I hope someone else wins who does it full time and so far, that's how it's worked out. Not sorry for him.
 
outlaw4rc
Something broke in Tags transmission on the last lap. At least he wasn't leading when it happened.
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Just goes to prove what a bad driver he is. Tagliani is the equivalent of Jon Wes Townley. Tagliani destroys the inside of the car and Townley destroys the outside of the car
 
Honestly, I'm so damn tired of these complaints. Boo freakin' hoo, the regulars get their wins taken this and that. Really, now we're applying this to Road Course ringers, who literally don't even race more then two to three times a year in the NASCAR series? Give me a damn break already.
 
I honestly like Tagliani. Is he any good? I personally don't think so, but he's better than Boris Said on the skill chart so he has that going for him. What's so wrong with a specialist coming in and doing what they know (and are paid) to do? You cry because the Cup regulars win, you cry when road course specialists pose a thread. A lot of sobbing for something that has been going on for decades. In all reality, if neither happened, Xfinity and Trucks would be lower than IndyCar right now, and as much as I love IndyCar, inflating Hulman and Co. and their ego is a galling prospect. As usual, a bunch of sofa scientists and armchair drivers will get up in arms, but that's what it is. Looking at it with common sense, you'll find that a lot of it is novelty, except for Kyle Busch.
 
The only real issue I have with drivers like Kyle going to truck and Xfinity races is that it goes directly against what NASCAR portrays it as being. They constantly run ads saying that they are the stars of tomorrow, than you turn the race on and a guy fighting for the Sprint Cup is leading the race. I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that, but if you want that to be the product you need to promote it for what it is (Sprint Cup Lite).

I also view road courses as special circumstances as there are only a few on the schedule.
 
Northstar
The only real issue I have with drivers like Kyle going to truck and Xfinity races is that it goes directly against what NASCAR portrays it as being. They constantly run ads saying that they are the stars of tomorrow, than you turn the race on and a guy fighting for the Sprint Cup is leading the race. I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that, but if you want that to be the product you need to promote it for what it is (Sprint Cup Lite).

I also view road courses as special circumstances as there are only a few on the schedule.
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In that case, Kyle (nor Kevin or Kasey or Brad or Joey) can't be blamed for NASCAR and its blind as hell PR making such a stupid ad. Hell, NASCAR doesn't even acknowledge that one of those regulars from that series "Where names are made" IS a washed up Cup driver (driving for a team that more or less is on its way to irrelevance).

In fact, I think the only reason they do this is because:

- They have three up coming drivers who are related to former Cup drivers (Dillon, Elliot, Blaney)
- They are trying to make themselves look international and diverse (because nothing says diverse like one Mexican Driver and one Mixed race driver out of a mostly Caucasian field that occasionally has Australians and maybe one or two Canadians)
 
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I don't care if the Xfinity and Truck series regulars don't win a single race all season long. Racing against Kyle Busch, Brad Keselowski, Denny Hamlin, Kyle Larson, Matt Kenseth, Joey Logano, Paul Menard, Dale Jr, Kevin Harvick, and others from a higher level series is only going to help the younger guys get better.

Let them follow Kyle Busch around Bristol, Dale Jr around Daytona, or Brad Keselowski around Kansas for a few hundred laps, and tell me the Xfinity guys aren't going to learn a lot more than if they only raced against each other.
 
ukfan758
Well it gets a little ridiculous when 2/3rds of the races are won by signal pirates...
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And? It isn't like they're competing for the championship.
 
ukfan758
Well it gets a little ridiculous when 2/3rds of the races are won by signal pirates...
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Tell me that if Chris Buescher hadn't run out of gas at Bristol on the last lap, you wouldn't have been extremely impressed with his win. He was repeatedly pulling away from all of the Cup regulars in the race, despite being on much older tires, while stretching fuel mileage. Against a field with no Cup drivers, it would have been much less impressive.
 
BRRT_Angel
And? It isn't like they're competing for the championship.
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The whole purpose of the Busch and truck series is to serve as the series for the less experienced drivers and for the ladder series to get into the cup series, NOT greedy cup drivers and owners wanting more sponsors and more $$$. These drivers prevent many xfinity teams and drivers from being successful.


To look at how it should be, look at F1, GP2, and GP3. The last two are feeder/ladder series, where the young drivers race against each other (not F1 drivers) to possibly grab the attention of an F1 team and move up the ladder. Those who don't have the talent stay or go down the ladder, however there is no interference from the F1 drivers in the process.
 
Sorry? Stock car racing and open wheel racing don't work the same way, can't work the same way and will never work the same way.
 
The mood or whatever didn't change. Different people are voicing their thoughts on the topic. Is that a problem?
 
BRRT_Angel
The mood or whatever didn't change. Different people are voicing their thoughts on the topic. Is that a problem?
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No, I was just under the impression that people shared my views (which is an obvious mistake on my part). Again, I am sorry for having a differing opinion from everyone else in this thread.
 
ukfan758
No, I was just under the impression that people shared my views (which is an obvious mistake on my part). Again, I am sorry for having a differing opinion from everyone else in this thread.
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It isn't a problem having different views. It's the assuming that got the problem started.
 
ukfan758
I'll ask the question again, when did the opinion of this change on this forum? Because now I'm getting trashed by you and others on this.
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ukfan758
Thank you for answering. I'm sorry to everyone that my opinion differs.
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You shouldn't mistake others voicing their own opinion as "trashing" your opinion. Just as you shouldn't apologize for sharing your opinion, neither should they.
 
MustangRyan
I don't care if the Xfinity and Truck series regulars don't win a single race all season long. Racing against Kyle Busch, Brad Keselowski, Denny Hamlin, Kyle Larson, Matt Kenseth, Joey Logano, Paul Menard, Dale Jr, Kevin Harvick, and others from a higher level series is only going to help the younger guys get better.

Let them follow Kyle Busch around Bristol, Dale Jr around Daytona, or Brad Keselowski around Kansas for a few hundred laps, and tell me the Xfinity guys aren't going to learn a lot more than if they only raced against each other.
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It clearly didn't help Stephen Leicht, who never got a full-time ride after even winning a race in 2007.
 

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