2015 NASCAR Thread - And then there was 1

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I used to play Thunder 2004 all the time just because of the music tracks. That game had a killer soundtrack.
 
BKGlover
First clue about 09 on PS2 was that there was a second driving mode. "Easy mode"? "Simple mode"? Whatever it was called, if you decided to turn, even if you were on the outside at Daytona, you went at full lock, and without any resistance.
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2009 had assists like auto brake and I think a turning assist of some sort. I never experienced the full lock thing though unless I wanted full lock.

I enjoyed '09, it was fun but far from a simulator. I had car setups that would allow me to dominate a race, but no way would they work on a real car.
 
Translation: "We can't take criticism so stop it"

Of course he could just, you know, go the hell away and leave it to someone who actually knows what to do with it.
 
Saying criticism isn't allowed just makes the sport a dictatorship. It's one thing to ignore fan criticism, because, we're fans... but to reject criticism from the drivers in the sport... that's dangerous territory. This isn't the 1960s where throwing drivers out of the sport means more take their place. This is sponsor driven now, so throwing drivers out also throws money out with them. Sure, there are drivers that can replace them.. but would the sponsors put up with it....
 
I didn't see anything about not allowing criticism at all, just not wanting drivers to do it in public. Granted I think it's still stupid to not allow it, but I can see the reasoning behind it.
 
The Frances have been running the ship like this for over 70 years when it comes to organized racing. They aren't going to change their view on this until a union pops up, which will happen someday.
 
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Justin
I didn't see anything about not allowing criticism at all, just not wanting drivers to do it in public. Granted I think it's still stupid to not allow it, but I can see the reasoning behind it.
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"Zero-tolerance policy" says otherwise... for anyone connected to the sport. Even shareholders.
 
I just love that Brian France wants to be as big as the NFL, then he silences the drivers and cripples the reporters from saying anything out of fear of being blacklisted. Stuff like that is why NASCAR has never and will never be half as popular as the NFL.
 
Ganon83
The Frances have been running the ship like this for over 70 years when it comes to organized racing. They aren't going to change their view on this until a union pops up, which will happen someday.
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If any kind of union for drivers were to emerge, it needs to be on a national level, not just NASCAR. But.. I don't see a need for one.
 
GTPorsche
If any kind of union for drivers were to emerge, it needs to be on a national level, not just NASCAR. But.. I don't see a need for one.
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Honestly the RTA was the best bet for one. But as I predicted when they formed, when they couldn't get their TV money, they became an insignificant alliance that is dedicated towards saving money.
Oh, and they do cripple reporters btw. I know because people I know from the websites I've wrote for have gotten a "Well, you shouldn't say this" before. I've gotten that before but strangely from a team, not NASCAR.
 
GTPorsche
"Zero-tolerance policy" says otherwise... for anyone connected to the sport. Even shareholders.
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Here is the comment actually made by France and not the person that wrote the article.

"While NASCAR gives its competitors ample leeway in voicing their opinions when it comes to a wide range of aspects about the sport, the sanctioning body will not tolerate publicly made comments by its drivers that denigrate the racing product."
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I understand people not liking France (I'm one of them), but why is there a need to take things out of context and spin things when there is plenty of other actual things to use against him.
 
Justin
I understand people not liking France (I'm one of them), but why is there a need to take things out of context and spin things when there is plenty of other actual things to use against him.
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My issue with it is that these aren't actual things. NFL players speak out all the time without fear of the league fining them. NASCAR wants to control what these drivers say 24/7, even though the comments the drivers make will do less harm than the backlash from fining them for making them.
 
Justin
Here is the comment actually made by France and not the person that wrote the article.



I understand people not liking France (I'm one of them), but why is there a need to take things out of context and spin things when there is plenty of other actual things to use against him.
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Direct quote from France... in the very same article.... which is where my previous comment on it came from. Nothing was taken out of context.

"We can't have our most important stakeholders, drivers, teams and tracks, working against putting the best steak on the plate we can -- that's where we draw the line," he said.
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GTPorsche
Direct quote from France... in the very same article.... which is where my previous comment on it came from. Nothing was taken out of context.
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I'm still not seeing where you got zero-tolerance for complaints of any kind from.
 
Addressing a number of newsworthy subjects some six weeks ahead of the official start of the 2015 season, France reiterated NASCAR's zero-tolerance policy on comments made by drivers and other stakeholders that could be considered critical of the product on the track.
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And then the quote from France himself....

"We can't have our most important stakeholders, drivers, teams and tracks, working against putting the best steak on the plate we can -- that's where we draw the line," he said.
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Anything else you need clarified, because the article is pretty damn simplified already...
 
GTPorsche
And then the quote from France himself....



Anything else you need clarified, because the article is pretty damn simplified already...
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The first one sounds like he was reiterating the quote I posted above, which only had to do with public comments, the second seems to just be him commenting on the reasoning behind the policy.

So again, where does he say criticism made in private is banned?
 
I don't agree with it either but NASCAR is not a Democracy. They have a Zero-Tolerance policy for drug use as well. Follow the policy and don't get in trouble.

To add, if a driver has a problem he can take it up with management and have a sit down. Public bashing is extremely counterproductive. It sheds negative light on the sport itself. Especially when you mix in emotion with it. You must take all complaints as face value. Everyone has bad days. Complaints about the car or whatever else a NASCAR driver can complain about is irrelevant to the viewers. Don't like the car? Tough luck because you will race it every Sunday anyways. Investors, sponsors don't want to hear it either especially publically. I fully understand NASCARs position. This policy is nothing new. NASCAR rarely make these kind of fines public. Brad K. silently got popped with 25K for speaking negatively about the fuel injection when it was first mandated. Keep your mouth shut and drive your car. Make millions from the people you speak negatively about. Drivers get mad and spout off. That is also nothing new.
 
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So abit of an interesting bit for you guys:

So Barrett Jackson beginning this year has a new TV home and that is on...Discovery/Velocity and not on FS1 (Formerly, Speed Channel). Why is this are all relevant to this thread? Because as long as this has been on Speed Channel (after it was bought up by Fox), one of its main stalwarts has been Mike Joy, one of the commentators from Fox's NASCAR coverage and guess what? He's on it right now. Now maybe I'm looking too much into this but I'm of the impression that for the first time, Nascar on Fox will not have Mike Joy this year.
 
RACECAR
So abit of an interesting bit for you guys:

So Barrett Jackson beginning this year has a new TV home and that is on...Discovery/Velocity and not on FS1 (Formerly, Speed Channel). Why is this are all relevant to this thread? Because as long as this has been on Speed Channel (after it was bought up by Fox), one of its main stalwarts has been Mike Joy, one of the commentators from Fox's NASCAR coverage and guess what? He's on it right now. Now maybe I'm looking too much into this but I'm of the impression that for the first time, Nascar on Fox will not have Mike Joy this year.
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Bob Varsha broadcasted F1 races on nbcsn in 2013 when he was still under the FS1/Speed contract. I think Mike will stay.
 
ukfan758
Bob Varsha broadcasted F1 races on nbcsn in 2013 when he was still under the FS1/Speed contract. I think Mike will stay.
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If I recall, he only did so when Leigh Diffey was doing Indycar commentary on the same weekends that had an F1 race (although, he did do one Indycar race interestingly and it wasn't subbing for Leigh Diffey).
 
So his contract with Barrett Jackson is completely separate from Fox Sports? Interesting to know, I guess I was under the impression after only ever seeing Barrett Jackson on Speed. I assume the same may/could happen with Bob Varsha then?
 
Some Jeff Gordon stuff.

Apparently his number was supposed to be 46, but due to a licensing agreement forced them to use a different number.

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