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Leadfoot530
So let me get this straight. You want to have team install a system on every car that limits the speeds on pit road, which would, for starters, raise the cost of running a car even more for underfunded teams, in turn making the fields on Sunday even smaller? How many speeding penalties do we even see a rafe? Five, max? And it's not even like they're THAT far over the speed limit. Heck, most only go over by sheer fractions of one MPH.

Instead of causing multiple problems by fixing one, fix one without making any more. Leave the limiters off the car, and just have the teams go out to the car once it's come to a complete stop. No moving car = less guys jumping infront of it = less guys being hit. Also, keep the crew behind the pit box/on top until it's an actual cycle of stops is started.

Plus, if you're even dumb enough to speed down pit road at say, 100 MPH, you deserve to be kicked out of the sport.

I can see having one in the Truck series, but in the full level of Cup? I'm sorry, but if you can't slow your car down, that's your own fault. Shoukd have found a better braking point.
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Adamgp
Leave it to the drivers to keep speed in check, not a button.

What next? Automatic transmissions to prevent missed shifts? AWD and traction control to prevent spinning tires on restarts?
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And tonight on GTPlanet, NASCAR Fans Against Progress! - SHOCKER! - You guys might get the point in you know, 10-20 years? Having said that took that long to adapt digital dashboards....



Also I laugh that a system that cuts speed and would be a small cost upgrade would put teams off competing. :lol: :lol: Good one :lol: I am sure that more moneys worth of splitters are smashed up over a season. May as well ban them if they raise the budget!
 
I actually would like to see how a limiting system would fare in testing for starters. It would be interesting how the penalties compare between those using a limiter and those without one in a test session. I also think that they could make it optional initially and later mandate it. Face it, Limiters won't stop teams from getting penalties since the vast majority are either at entry or exit anyway. It's probably something that could be done for minimal cost being that the cars are EFI now, so it sort of seems like a no-brainer to at least consider adding it to the cars. Besides, I could assume that teams could still pit based on tach speed if they wanted to because of the fact that pit road speed is usually caution speed most of the time.
 
AnthonyD1993
I actually would like to see how a limiting system would fare in testing for starters. It would be interesting how the penalties compare between those using a limiter and those without one in a test session. I also think that they could make it optional initially and later mandate it. Face it, Limiters won't stop teams from getting penalties since the vast majority are either at entry or exit anyway. It's probably something that could be done for minimal cost being that the cars are EFI now, so it sort of seems like a no-brainer to at least consider adding it to the cars. Besides, I could assume that teams could still pit based on tach speed if they wanted to because of the fact that pit road speed is usually caution speed most of the time.
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That's their excuse for not needing limiters. Add in limiters, raise caution speeds. Faster caution speed would shorten the overall race time with cautions as well.
 
Alright, we won't use it in any of the main three national touring series.

Sorry, but I prefer drivers actually having to drive the car, which getting on and off pit road requires. It's part of the sport.

Everybody bulks at how these cars aren't anywhere near "stock" but want something to make them even less so. M'kay.
 
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Leadfoot530
Alright, we won't use it in any of the main three national touring series.

Sorry, but I prefer drivers actually having to drive the car, which getting on and off pit road requires. It's part of the sport.

Everybody bulks at how these cars aren't anywhere near "stock" but want something to make them even less so. M'kay.
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Road cars have cruise control.
 
GTPorsche
Road cars have cruise control.
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Well I expect 🤬 race car drivers to be able to drive the cars like race car drives. I could care less about Bobby Joe Shmoe from Anywhere, USA if he decides he wants 🤬 cruise control.

When I see a guy driving at a top-tier professional level, I expect him to be able to drive his car well, without any driving aid, which, believe it or not, in my honest opinion, includes a speed limiter. If you can't slow the car down, that's your own fault. Not being able to slow down for the pits in retrospect has the same consiquences as not slowing down for a corner. You weren't slow enough? You went off the track, lost positions, and most likely damaged your race car. You speed on pit road? You lose a lap, multiple positions, and have race your way back up. Simple as that. Speeding penalties are a part of the sport. I could see the use for it if guys where literally bombing down pitroad at huge speeds? But are they? A few MPH difference between being under the limit and over doesn't seem like much to me.
 
Leadfoot530
Well I expect 🤬 race car drivers to be able to drive the cars like race car drives. I could care less about Bobby Joe Shmoe from Anywhere, USA if he decides he wants 🤬 cruise control.

When I see a guy driving at a top-tier professional level, I expect him to be able to drive his car well, without any driving aid, which, believe it or not, in my honest opinion, includes a speed limiter. If you can't slow the car down, that's your own fault. Not being able to slow down for the pits in retrospect has the same consiquences as not slowing down for a corner. You weren't slow enough? You went off the track, lost positions, and most likely damaged your race car. You speed on pit road? You lose a lap, multiple positions, and have race your way back up. Simple as that. Speeding penalties are a part of the sport. I could see the use for it if guys where literally bombing down pitroad at huge speeds? But are they? A few MPH difference between being under the limit and over doesn't seem like much to me.
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You mean like how the majority of race cars come equipped with pit limiters and race in series with pit speeding penalties?
 
Am I alone in feeling the cautions were excessively long this past race in Vegas, even for Nascar standards? It's like they wanted to give those Fords a chance at making it on fuel /tinfoil hat ;)
 
GTPorsche
You mean like how the majority of race cars come equipped with pit limiters and race in series with pit speeding penalties?
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Sure, whatever they want to do. But we're talking about NASCAR here. We're driving around an oval for crying out loud. Is it really that big of a deal?
 
GTPorsche
Indy drives around ovals, and they have limiters as well.
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Furinkazen
Indy Racing League had them.
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Well whoopdy-doo. I'm standing by my opinion. I feel they shouldn't have them in NASCAR; in other series, I could give a rat's rear end. It's simply how I feel about them in NASCAR, but apparently I'm not allowed to do so because I'm wrong and you're right. The need for a limiter just doesn't seem all the big of a deal to. If you think it is, go for it, but I'm not moved.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
That's a bit extreme, I mean GTPorshce was a bit as well. I think the point is that even the slightest fraction or error as has been seen many times gets you a penalty. And with a system that you calibrate to the radar would allow to easily avoid tons of drivers as seen at certain tracks getting hit with it for going half a mile or one over. You're matching with the rev limiter which is extremely hard even for the best and tedious. And if that's the case why not have a computer do it.

You know the conservative attitude for the sport is the issue at times, many old time fans would have probably never wanted to see things like EFI, Power steering, digital gauges and so on, but such measures improve the quality of racing and at times safety. I don't see why it's a bad thing to want this too.
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Exactly, it takes skill to match revs to pit road speed. NASCAR sets a pit road speed and allows a (pretty generous) extra 5mph on top of that. Drivers & teams push the envelope all the time with stuff like pit road speed, setups, etc. Cross the line, you get penalized.

As far as "tons of drivers" getting hit with fines, it's not that common an issue. Quite rare that the number of speeding penalties reach double digits in a race.

Personally I don't have anything against the other stuff you mentioned, EFI, power steering, etc.

Furinkazen
And tonight on GTPlanet, NASCAR Fans Against Progress! - SHOCKER! - You guys might get the point in you know, 10-20 years? Having said that took that long to adapt digital dashboards....

Also I laugh that a system that cuts speed and would be a small cost upgrade would put teams off competing. :lol: :lol: Good one :lol: I am sure that more moneys worth of splitters are smashed up over a season. May as well ban them if they raise the budget!
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Taking away an element of driving a race car is progress?
 
Why did they even put a speed limit on pit road in the first place? I mean it should be in the drivers hand how fast they can go down pit road and still make their pit box. This whole "gotta go slow" mentality is garbage. /sarcasm
 
The drivers already have a series of lights that are programmed by the team engineers to tell them how close they are to exceeding the pit road speed (plus the 5.00 mph tolerance). Most teams set it up so that they have green lights and 1 or 2 red lights. If the driver sees a red light, they are probably at the very edge of the legal limit, and need to slow down. If you listen to the driver radios during a race, you'll hear the spotter or crew chief remind them that on pit road, they can go 1 red or 2 red without a penalty, depending on their preference for setup.
 
ukfan758
"Gotta keep dem cars simple, these bells and whistles are too much for NASCAR." :rolleyes:
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Ain't no technology allowed! I say they should remove all the safety features to make it like the good ol' days! Because advancing and keeping up with almost EVERY OTHER RACING SERIES IN THE WORLD is 3spooky5me.
 
trobes29
Why did they even put a speed limit on pit road in the first place? I mean it should be in the drivers hand how fast they can go down pit road and still make their pit box. This whole "gotta go slow" mentality is garbage. /sarcasm
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1990 Atlanta Journal 500. Ricky Rudd locked up the brakes on pit road trying to slow down for his pitstop and hit one of Bill Elliott's pit crew members which resulted in fatal injuries.

Just in case anyone else was wondering...
 
GTPorsche
1990 Atlanta Journal 500. Ricky Rudd locked up the brakes on pit road trying to slow down for his pitstop and hit one of Bill Elliott's pit crew members which resulted in fatal injuries.

Just in case anyone else was wondering...
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But speed though :(
 
Just keep pit road speeds they way they are.

Also find a way to decrease the cost of building a race car so we don't have the same four teams eradicating the field every week.
 

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