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ukfan758
I would love to see the cars go flat out but I would fear of a Las Vegas style accident happening with the cars in a huge pack...
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The 1.5's and California scare me enough...I'd faint if they went around something like Talladega. :scared:
 
The only chance I'd see IndyCar take on Talladega (or even Daytona for that matter) is if a road course configuration is use. I think Talladega has a road course layout, unless it's something I remember from rFactor or something. The cars would be unsafe at speed and in packs at tracks like Daytona or Talladega. I mean, can you imagine "The Big One" with these cars? It would be the world's most expensive scrapyard.


With tonight's action in my home/native state of Texas, and up in northern Texas... good luck to all drivers and teams tonight. Race 'em hard and have fun rocking Texas Motor Speedway.
 
JohnBM01
The only chance I'd see IndyCar take on Talladega (or even Daytona for that matter) is if a road course configuration is use. I think Talladega has a road course layout, unless it's something I remember from rFactor or something. The cars would be unsafe at speed and in packs at tracks like Daytona or Talladega. I mean, can you imagine "The Big One" with these cars? It would be the world's most expensive scrapyard.


With tonight's action in my home/native state of Texas, and up in northern Texas... good luck to all drivers and teams tonight. Race 'em hard and have fun rocking Texas Motor Speedway.
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**** the cost of accidents...peoples lives are at stake! Both the drivers and fans! It'd be like a worse version of a 1.5 mile oval race! :scared:
 
First Indycar race with the new aero package at a Mile 1/2 and no one crashed. That's got to be a record somewhere.
 
Scott Dixon won the IndyCar race at Texas back on Saturday. I saw most of the race, but didn't get to see most of the ending. Chip Ganassi Racing actually went 1-2 finishing. Tony Kanaan finished 2nd. Helio Castroneves, championship points leader Juan Pablo Montoya, and Marco Andretti rounded out the Top 5.


Up next... beautiful Toronto and the tricky street course there. Yep- the Honda Indy Toronto. Bring on Toronto!
 
JohnBM01
The only chance I'd see IndyCar take on Talladega (or even Daytona for that matter) is if a road course configuration is use. I think Talladega has a road course layout, unless it's something I remember from rFactor or something. The cars would be unsafe at speed and in packs at tracks like Daytona or Talladega. I mean, can you imagine "The Big One" with these cars? It would be the world's most expensive scrapyard.


With tonight's action in my home/native state of Texas, and up in northern Texas... good luck to all drivers and teams tonight. Race 'em hard and have fun rocking Texas Motor Speedway.
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Don't know about Dega, but Daytona certainly has a road course configuration. That is where they run the 24hours every year.
 
TRLWNC7396
But would they want to run the road or the oval. (Or both, like Indy?)
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I would imagine the speeds they could make on the high banks of the oval would be too dangerous, but they should be fine on the road course. They would have nearly the whole back straight, but would have to brake in a straight line before the bus stop chicane. They would be slower coming out of the chicane into turns 3-4 where it would flatten out into the dogleg, about half way down the front they would have to slow to drop down into road course turn 1 which is very flat so I don't think they would get crazy fast on the front section. I think it would make a great race, I love the track.
 
I know Daytona has a road course. That's why I didn't mention Daytona's road course. I remember the former IROC series racing the Daytona Road Course back in the 2000s not only racing the Daytona Road Course, but racing it at night with affixed headlights on those IROC stock cars. When I saw the Wikipedia page on Talladega Superspeedway, I noticed there is a road course within Talladega, but it isn't like your typical "roval" in which the road course physically uses the actual oval. Only "rovals" I know of that doesn't use the physical oval are Indianapolis Raceway Park, Phakisa (South Africa), and Twin Ring Motegi.

There's something else I thought of in regards to if IndyCar would race Talladega. I love Barber Motorsports Park, but would there be a good enough market or good enough interest to see IndyCar take on Talladega as opposed to Barber Motorsports Park? Even if to have a one-off race there? Or would some people look at Talladega as being only for stock cars? So as much as you may want to see Indy cars take on Talladega, would there be enough interest that the track could be a future venue for the series?

Just my thoughts on the whole deal...
 
I don't want Indycar on a Daytona or Talledega oval...heck I don't want Indycar on ovals other than Indy and Pocono. If a stockcar can go around flat out at Dega' and Daytona...then an Indycar car would be doing a steady 230! Now don't take me as an oval hater. I don't hate ovals...ovals are there own unique challenge, it's the safety of them with cars like these that worry me. Indy and Pocono are big enough, and are suited better for them. Because after learning of the 2003(?)Champcar Texas disaster, and since I've started watching in 2005 and going through with two drivers being lost on 1.5's, I don't want anymore events like those again. Could I be a bit coy and cautious of this? Yes. So I guess just take this with a grain of salt.
 
catamount39
I don't want Indycar on a Daytona or Talledega oval...heck I don't want Indycar on ovals other than Indy and Pocono. If a stockcar can go around flat out at Dega' and Daytona...then an Indycar car would be doing a steady 230! Now don't take me as an oval hater. I don't hate ovals...ovals are there own unique challenge, it's the safety of them with cars like these that worry me. Indy and Pocono are big enough, and are suited better for them. Because after learning of the 2003(?)Champcar Texas disaster, and since I've started watching in 2005 and going through with two drivers being lost on 1.5's, I don't want anymore events like those again. Could I be a bit coy and cautious of this? Yes. So I guess just take this with a grain of salt.
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You are right about the idea that Daytona and Talladega are too big, but the 1.5 mile tracks aren't all the same. Places like Vegas and Charlotte are similar in the fact that they can be taken flat out. Texas is one of those that isn't the case, and Saturday proved that. And Wheldon died at Vegas in a race with too many drivers at too much speed. Dana died at Homestead Miami because he was unaware that a caution had been thrown, and Homestead was a track where IndyCars always had to lift in the corners, so correlation between the two are slight. As for ChampCar's Texas debacle, they carried more horsepower than IRL did, and they were reaching Indy 500 speeds on it.
 
catamount39
I don't want Indycar on a Daytona or Talledega oval...heck I don't want Indycar on ovals other than Indy and Pocono. If a stockcar can go around flat out at Dega' and Daytona...then an Indycar car would be doing a steady 230! Now don't take me as an oval hater. I don't hate ovals...ovals are there own unique challenge, it's the safety of them with cars like these that worry me. Indy and Pocono are big enough, and are suited better for them. Because after learning of the 2003(?)Champcar Texas disaster, and since I've started watching in 2005 and going through with two drivers being lost on 1.5's, I don't want anymore events like those again. Could I be a bit coy and cautious of this? Yes. So I guess just take this with a grain of salt.
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Why not the short ovals? Iowa is pretty good actually, manages to be competitive without being that dangerous.
 
Carbonox
Why not the short ovals? Iowa is pretty good actually, manages to be competitive without being that dangerous.
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Whoops forgot about those lol. No I like those a lot, but I was just mentioning the ones that make me worried. The short ovals are cool in my book. 👍 Plus it's another chance to see the road course bodywork. :drool:
 
BRRT_Angel
You are right about the idea that Daytona and Talladega are too big, but the 1.5 mile tracks aren't all the same. Places like Vegas and Charlotte are similar in the fact that they can be taken flat out. Texas is one of those that isn't the case, and Saturday proved that. And Wheldon died at Vegas in a race with too many drivers at too much speed. Dana died at Homestead Miami because he was unaware that a caution had been thrown, and Homestead was a track where IndyCars always had to lift in the corners, so correlation between the two are slight. As for ChampCar's Texas debacle, they carried more horsepower than IRL did, and they were reaching Indy 500 speeds on it.
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Texas can be taken flat but they remove all the aero to stop pack racing and drivers fainting.

The banking at Texas is equal to Charlottle and both are more then Vegas, just depends on the setup they go with it.

in the IRL era nearly every oval that was 1.5 mile or above was a Pack race as they gave all the cars a little more downforce to allow the entire oval to be flat.
 
Carbonox
Why not the short ovals? Iowa is pretty good actually, manages to be competitive without being that dangerous.
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Iowa isn't a 1.5 miler. Its a high banked .8 miler.

The track will never be close to flat but the banking allows more speed then it would be if it was flatter.

Probably the best Oval in the Indycar series for racing, and that's what indy needs ovals like Richmond and Phoenix back on the schedule.
 
mustafur
Texas can be taken flat but they remove all the aero to stop pack racing and drivers fainting.

The banking at Texas is equal to Charlottle and both are more then Vegas, just depends on the setup they go with it.

in the IRL era nearly every oval that was 1.5 mile or above was a Pack race as they gave all the cars a little more downforce to allow the entire oval to be flat.
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But IndyCar hasm't necessarily had that problem recently. They adapted the cars to make it safer. In reality, Vegas would have likely been fine had they not tried to put 10+ drivers that hadn't had any business being there with everyone that had been there all season. Hell, Kimi Raikkonen had been offered a seat for that race, Bernard reached that far. Vegas was a traffic disaster and we lost an amazing IndyCar champion because of it. IndyCar could race on 1.5 mile tracks fine. As long as they reserve the 33 car field for the Indy 500 alone, and make wings from carbon fiber and not cardboard, they could race almost anywhere, and that's their marketability right now.
 
They could do Vegas now TBH, just give them the Superspeedway Aero-config and not the Speedway config they used in 2011, it would be as dull and as boring as Texas.

End of day Cookie cutters are made for Nascar.
 
mustafur
They could do Vegas now TBH, just give them the Superspeedway Aero-config and not the Speedway config they used in 2011, it would be as dull and as boring as Texas.

End of day oval cookie cutters are made for Nascar.
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Road course cookie cutters all belong to Tilke.
 
BRRT_Angel
But IndyCar hasm't necessarily had that problem recently. They adapted the cars to make it safer. In reality, Vegas would have likely been fine had they not tried to put 10+ drivers that hadn't had any business being there with everyone that had been there all season. Hell, Kimi Raikkonen had been offered a seat for that race, Bernard reached that far. Vegas was a traffic disaster and we lost an amazing IndyCar champion because of it. IndyCar could race on 1.5 mile tracks fine. As long as they reserve the 33 car field for the Indy 500 alone, and make wings from carbon fiber and not cardboard, they could race almost anywhere, and that's their marketability right now.
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They may be safer right now but is it worth risking the lives of other drivers on those tracks when serious crashes still happen on the ovals?
BRRT_Angel
Road course cookie cutters all belong to Tilke.
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I never knew that Tilke was a racing series...:sly:
 
mustafur
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You understand cookie cutter = 1.5 miler.
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I'm referring to Herman Tilke who does the same thing with road courses.
 
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