2016 Virgin Australia Supercars Championship - Results and TalkTouring Cars 

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It's a thought that is probably not a good one- right now anyway.
I just don't see much of a market for it. Europe has the likes of DTM and Blancpain, while Asia has Super GT, and South America has Stock Car Brasil. North America is really the only place that it could take off, and even then, it will be in direct competition with the likes of Pirelli World Challenge and USSC.
 
I see it more in the Asian market. Malaysia and China.
I just feel all eyes will be on this category from here on. Tough series to get in via DVS and especially an Enduro drive. Just about the only way to sample one, is to buy an old car.
 
Well, I don't see it happening myself. The appeal of the series has always been the race-on-Sunday-buy-on-Monday approach, even if the trend towards a silhouette series has diluted it somewhat. Any attempt to export the series would need to factor that in, and I don't see the same market in places like Malaysia and China. That's why I am bothered about the idea of Nissan bringing the GT-R to the series; it's an ugly, impractical boy toy that represents the last nail in the coffin of the race-on-Sunday-buy-on-Monday approach.
 
Just saw a report on this on the ABC, which is weird because they never report on motorsport outside Daniel Ricciardo, Bathurst, or major events like Jules Bianchi's death.

Anyway, going by James Warburton's comments, not all of which were in the Speedcafe article, the focus at the moment is on getting new manufacturers, especially those who might be interested in motorsport, but would never consider a V8 engine.
 
I just don't see much of a market for it. Europe has the likes of DTM and Blancpain, while Asia has Super GT, and South America has Stock Car Brasil. North America is really the only place that it could take off, and even then, it will be in direct competition with the likes of Pirelli World Challenge and USSC.
I think PWC being GT3 specs doesn't really make it a direct competitor.

Edit: Does anyone know if the race that McLaughlin is running this weekend will be streamed somewhere?

Edit 2: Hey, what about Sebring for a US return? (Epic racing @ 3 hour 19 minute mark.)

 
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I think PWC being GT3 specs doesn't really make it a direct competitor.

Edit: Does anyone know if the race that McLaughlin is running this weekend will be streamed somewhere?

Edit 2: Hey, what about Sebring for a US return? (Epic racing @ 3 hour 19 minute mark.)



All the STCC races last year where streamed on this site svtplay.se so I'm guessing It will be streamed there this year as well
 
Hey, what about Sebring for a US return?
It's too long. The series only likes racing on circuits up to 3.5km in length; Sebring is about 6.0-something long.

That said, Bathurst is of a similar length. Perhaps Sebring could work if it were an endurance event, paired up with another American round - Barber? - in the sprint format.
 
You know what, forget you Americans :P. V8s head North, to Canada, eh!

Mt. Tremblant, Gilles Villeneuve, Mosport, Toronto, and the brand spanking new Area 27, in beautiful Southern BC :D. There's a virtual onboard lap in a 919 LMP1 at the bottom of the page. T2 is serious business!
 
You know what, forget you Americans :p. V8s head North, to Canada, eh!

Mt. Tremblant, Gilles Villeneuve, Mosport, Toronto, and the brand spanking new Area 27, in beautiful Southern BC :D. There's a virtual onboard lap in a 919 LMP1 at the bottom of the page. T2 is serious business!

As good as that lap looked T11 could cause a lot of problems for the cars. That 919 almost got air there so something with less downforce almost certainly would, leave alone the supercars of BC area rich people for whom the circuit is supposedly made. I think using the TO street course would be something much more to the style of the series.

That track is surprisingly good though, I only found out about it just about a week ago and thought it would be a very boring lap.
 
It does look pretty epic, but where are the crowds going to come from? It's on Osoyoos, which is the middle of nowhere.
I don't think they're looking for big crowds at this point. It's tailored more as a high end track day and race school facility. Construction of things like a timing and scoring tower, grand stands, and other infrastructure for hosting races is labelled as "Phase 4", so who knows if or when that will actually happen. I'm still holding my breath to actually see a car turn a lap :lol:

If things do go as planned, and they are able to complete Phase 4, allowing them to host some sort of spectator event, Vancouver is a 2-3 hour drive in the summer, Seattle maybe 3-4 hours. The Okanagan Valley is pretty heavily populated, and has a significant growth in population in the summer. It's a place where people like to go to spend their money.

It looks like they have plans to have a large amount of camping at the track, so if they brought it in something like PWC or IMSA, I could see it catching on as a family camping destination....that's years away though.
 
http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/04/29/v8-supercars-fast-tracking-2022-gen3-plans/
V8 Supercars will outline a vision for new regulations in 2022 as soon as this July amid ongoing efforts to attract manufacturer investment in the sport.

Work has already been taking place behind-the-scenes this year on a ‘Gen3’ concept, which will come into effect from 2022.

V8 Supercars CEO James Warburton has told Speedcafe.com that an internally devised outline of the plan is nearing completion, ready for input from the Commission and team owners.

Mooting July’s Townsville 400 as a likely release date, the unveil would come just 12 months after the category’s 2017 Gen2 outline was presented to teams and media.

While Gen2 opens up the possibility of non-V8 engines and two-door bodyshapes, it utilises the existing chassis and control components.

The concept has so far failed to draw a firm commitment from the current manufacturers, nor attract any new brands to the sport.

Admitting that there will be no new marques or engine configurations on the grid next year, Warburton argues that revealing a longer term direction for the category is a vital step.

“New manufacturers coming in are looking at quite a small window,” Warburton told Speedcafe.com.

“If they’re not going to be ready in time for 2017, then you’re only looking at ’18, ’19 and ’20 before you’re looking at new regulations coming in.

“So the Gen3 piece of work is the thing that’s going to be crucial for the new manufacturers that we’re talking with to look at a longer run-up.

“Where things are at with manufacturer discussions, as soon as we get the Gen3 there I think it can be very clear.”
“As soon as we can,” he added when asked of when it will be formalised.

“We’re talking about our 2025 vision being ready in draft form for Townsville and I think that the Gen3, we’ve certainly got top level direction and considerations prepared.

“It’s now something that will take some time with the Commission and team owners that we’ll work through around the Townsville time frame.”

While Gen3 is said to involve a ‘clean sheet of paper’, it remains unclear what format the new rules will take as the category aims to achieve relevance for manufacturers in an increasingly fragmented new car market.

Alongside Gen3, Warburton refers to “moving from a category to more of a holistic sport” as part of an overall 2025 business plan.

Its Supercars Events arm took over the Bathurst 12 Hour last year, while the business has also taken control of the V8 Utes in 2016.

The 12 Hour deal connects the company to a plethora of brands currently involved in GT3 racing, which is booming throughout the world.

Warburton says that this week’s announcement that the term ‘V8’ will be dropped from the V8 Supercars Championship name from July 1 is the first step towards the future.

“Supercars (the name) opens up the garage to look at other categories and other things we can do under the banner as well,” he said.

Developing the Gen3 outline has taken precedence for V8 Supercars over completing its own V6 turbo prototype engine and testing it in its Holden Car of the Future prototype.

The track testing program was meant to get underway as soon as last September, but has been the subject of continued delays.

“It’s just time… but it’s in our interest to get that out as soon as we can and give the fans a chance to hear how it sounds,” said Warburton of the project.

Despite a lack of uptake on Gen2, Warburton is hopeful that the three existing manufacturers – Holden, Nissan and Volvo – will all continue to be involved with their current platforms next year.
Volvo is poised to confirm an extension with Garry Rogers Motorsport, while Holden and Nissan continue to discuss their positions with global management.

“I think we’ve done everything we can with all of those manufacturers,” said Warburton.

“Yes I am (confident they will all continue), but it’s not my decision.

“You never know what might happen at a global level, but I’m confident the field will be pretty much as is going into next year.

“I think from there ’18 might see a little bit of change, but even then the existing manufacturers have talked about using the V8 powerplant longer.”
 
Too early for them to even be mentioning it. If manufactures ask, they can tell them, but I see no reason to announce it publicly. Makes them look desperate.
 
Not really. I think they're trying to show that there is a long-term objective; it's about more than opening up the regulations and hoping more manufacturers come along.
 
I reckon Prisonermonkeys is right, it's good of them to show that they are looking to towards it long term future. I'm sure there would be heaps going on behind the scenes right now to get Gen 2 organised correctly, but looking towards Gen 3 isn't a bad thing. In a way, it sort of advertises to Manufacturers that they have their stuff together and are not a bad choice of Motorsport to join. Keeping people in the dark about their future will make people skeptical about the future of the sport, to be honest, I was, and still sort of an doubting V8Supercars future beyond 2020, but it is nice for assurance that they are looking forward for the long term.
 
It seems they have conceded no big moves by the current teams. It is good for them to make a better plan this time.
 
Arguably, one of the things that has stopped new manufacturers entering in 2017 and existing manufacturers adopting new body shapes and engine layouts is the late publication of the Gen2 regulations.
 
I dont understand why they are so insistent on new manufacturers. Do we really need them?? The series was great (IMO) as Ford vs Holden but the way Warburton makes it out is they really want or need more manufacturers. Open up the rules, fine, but why is he so bent on attracting more? The series can survive without too much involvement. I guess Warburton wants to make the series more international rather than just a domestic series??
 
I think its a premature knee jerk reaction to the potential future, without Fords money how long will it be before Holden pulls funding properly, its management as a whole trying to keep the ship a float with manufacturer money involvement,

Though what I dont understand is why we need to have our on rule set for regarding cars, surely it would be worth jumping on the 'Klasse one' band wagon for Gen 3 regulations, that will give teams the option to purchase from Japan or Germany, and allow manufacturers to step in and build what they want to an extent,
 
@$500k a pop plus engine development, all current teams have some money. The category isn't relevant if the current cars are not sold here. We can't trust Ford. Holden we don't know. If other manufacturers see a chance to promote a product and feel they have a chance to win, why not advertise in a place that loves motor cars.
It does amaze me about BMW and Mercedes. Australia is the 2nd buyer(After South Africa) per capita of M cars. More AMGs are sold here per capita than the rest of the world. Sure, good sales doesn't mean they have to spend money in motorsport but, the potential to keep future buyers looking at the brand is a long term win.
The category was fine when people were buying Falcons and Commodores. Mazda3s and Corollas are the cars across Australia now.
 
http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/04/30/ipswich-links-bathurst-redevelopment/
Here's hoping they are for real.

Ipswich mayor Paul Pisasale’s grand vision for a heavily redeveloped motorsport facility is expected to mirror plans for Bathurst’s widely publicised second circuit.

Under the plan, the Ipswich Motorsport Predict is targetted to expand into a fully self-contained facility with hotels, automotive industry and plans to expand and re-engineer the Queensland Raceway circuit.

A management company was formed last month to spearhead the project.

The Ipswich City Council signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Bathurst Regional Council in a collaborative effort between the two regional centres.

Bathurst has envisaged an automotive-themed technology park among its plans for a second circuit that would run on the eastern circuit of Mount Panorama.

The Ipswich precinct includes the Willowbank drag strip, karting facility and QR track which has been much maligned over the years for its lack of fan facilities and a mundane circuit layout.

“We’ve got a fantastic precinct and it’s time now to take it to the next level and turn motorsport into something that is even more economically beneficial for the city and the state,” Cr Pisasale told Speedcafe.com.

“We spend all our time creating sister cities and opportunities overseas and here are two Australian cities who have a joint love for motorsport so why not work together.

“Anything to do with wheels and motorsport is there. And what council has done is protect the industry with a 5km noise buffer zone.

“I think everybody learnt a lesson from Lakeside where it allowed residential encroachment and it eventually closed down an industry.”

The high profile Ipswich mayor was recently in talks about the mechanics of what is being proposed with Queensland premier Annastacia Palaszczuk.

“When I met with the premier regarding what we are doing there, I said the first thing we have to do as a council is a business case around the whole industry,” he said.

“One thing I’m not good at is racing cars but what I am good at is creating the industry surrounding the facilities to attract the different sports.

“So it’s the business modelling, but more importantly this is to create a great environment for the fans to enjoy the sport.

“It’s about time governments realised you’ve got to get involved with industries in your city. This is a great industry and we can’t just say leave it to the motorsport industry, they are just part of it.

“You’ve heard of Silicon Valley but watch this space. No-one has created a motorsports valley and Ipswich is ready to rev up.”
 

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